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[DRAFT] Gotta Own 'em All!

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[DRAFT] Gotta Own 'em All!

Postby Nurkama » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:54 pm

Thanks to Bears Armed for the idea for this draft.

Let me know what you think, here is the draft.

EDIT (to first draft): Issue completely redone with Gnejs's feedback.

EDIT (to second draft): Changed communism to dictator of random country. Did not change draft count.

EDIT (to second draft): Various edits to the third option, slight changes to fourth option, changes draft count.

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Title:
Gotta Own 'em All!

Description:
After many of @@NAME@@'s rich urban dwellers have begun buying second homes in rural @@NAME@@, it has driven up the housing market for the lower class population of these areas causing more homeless people. There is fighting in this areas about these new people coming, and whether or not to do something about them.

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Nations with high rich-poor divides.

[option] "WOW! Look at these sales!" says shop owner @@RANDOMNAME@@ excitedly. "Sales have shot up six-fold since these rich people came here! We need to let these people stay, it makes me more mone- ahem, It makes the entire community better for everyone! I mean, my whole life was on a needle because this shop was the only thing I had! But now, look at me! I'm starting to become more equal with everyone else! I bet you some other townspeople think this too! Now excuse me, I'm going to count some money."
[effect] sales in small shops never stop growing

[option] "Okay, so there's an upswing of sales in shops. Any other benefits?" says the youth group "Teens Against Philanthropists" leader @@RANDOMNAME@@. "What's the point if I can't afford a house on the street I grew up on!? We are actually running out of homes available and they are building tons of new ones! But the more building there is, it takes away from the beauty of our countryside. The field we used to play on as kids is filled with dirt, wood, trucks, cranes etc. If these people want to live here, they're going to have to sign a very complex contract!"
[effect] rich people sign contracts that require you to build your house with a roof that is curved

[option] "I need something to spend my money on, right?" says @@NAME@@'s 3rd richest person, Billy Gateson. "I have way too much of it! I mean, buying a second house to store all of my money would be a good option, right? Then buying out all the small businesses in the area...creating a business monopoly...then buying as many trinkets that I can get my hands on...oh am I getting off track? Well, let's pretend this never happened." He then hands you tons of @@CURRENCY@@'s.
[effect] rich people buy out nearly everything they can get their hands on

[option] "I remember the days of being the advisor to the communist government of Greazkalingkajikislanka. What a wonderful time." says confused 86 year old Jimbo McFrazzlenuggets. "We need to make it so you can only have one home for each family. If you have someone over 75, you must have a small home. If you have someone with something wrong with them, you live in the hospital. If someone below 5 is with you, you must have big home. If these contradict..." Jimbo kept going on and on about this and finally said "and last but not least, if you are age 46, you get a mansion! But lose it when you turn 47. Now, where is that taco collection I misplaced?"
[effect] house-buying is not required, as everyone gets put in specific houses

Title:
Gotta Own 'em All!

Description:
After many of @@NAME@@'s rich urban dwellers have begun buying second homes in rural @@NAME@@, it has driven up the housing market for the lower class population of these areas causing more homeless people. There is fighting in this areas about these new people coming, and whether or not to do something about them.

Validity:
Nations with high rich-poor divides.

[option] "WOW! Look at these sales!" says shop owner @@RANDOMNAME@@ excitedly. "Sales have shot up six-fold since these rich people came here! We need to let these people stay, it makes me more mone- ahem, It makes the entire community better for everyone! I mean, my whole life was on a needle because this shop was the only thing I had! But now, look at me! I'm starting to become more equal with everyone else! I bet you some other townspeople think this too! Now excuse me, I'm going to count some money."
[effect] sales in small shops never stop growing

[option] "Okay, so there's an upswing of sales in shops. Any other benefits?" says the youth group "Teens Against Philanthropists" leader @@RANDOMNAME@@. "What's the point if I can't afford a house on the street I grew up on!? We are actually running out of homes available and they are building tons of new ones! But the more building there is, it takes away from the beauty of our countryside. The field we used to play on as kids is filled with dirt, wood, trucks, cranes etc. If these people want to live here, they're going to have to sign a very complex contract!"
[effect] rich people sign contracts that require you to build your house with a roof that is curved

[option] "I just bought a house because I was running out of space in my old house." says @@NAME@@'s 4th richest man, Billy Gateson. "I own so much stuff that I just needed to put it someplace else and not make my house look like a pigsty. I'm only buying stuff in this town because it is my nephew's birthday and I needed something quick and I was so close to my new house. I'm not doing anything to anger the townspeople. But just in case you don't believe me, this'll make you believe me." He then slips thousands of @@CURRENCY@@'s on your desk.
[effect] rich people buy out nearly everything in rural towns.

[option] "I remember the days of being the dictator of Greazkalingkajikislanka. What a wonderful time." says 86 year old former dictator Jimbo McFrazzlenuggets. "We need to make it so you can only have one home for each family. If you have some one over 75, you must have a small home. If you have someone with something wrong with them, you live in hospital. If someone below 5 is with you, you must have big home. If these contradict..." Jimbo kept going on and on about this and finally said "and last but not least, if you are age 46, you get mansion! But lose it when you turn 47."
[effect] house-buying is not required, as everyone gets put in specific houses.


Title:
Gotta Own 'em All!

Description:
After many of @@NAME@@'s rich urban dwellers have begun buying second homes in rural @@NAME@@, it has driven up the housing market for the lower class population of these areas causing more homeless people. It has come to your attention to do something about this problem.

Validity:
Nations with high rich-poor divides.

[option] "I just can't afford them expensive homes anymore!" shouts farmer @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, who recently lost his home due to urban expansion. "I don't want to move to the city, but these homes have become too darn expensive! We need to make people have one home, and one home only! If they have any more homes than that, we wont be able to live here anymore! We need to teach 'em rich folk a lesson."
[effect] rich people are saddened that can only own one mansion

[option] "Yes, but what about summer cabins?" says mother of 4, @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@. "Every summer me and my family head to southern @@NAME@@ and go to our cabin. But we can't have that experience if we can only have one "home"! So how about you can have as many houses as you want, but the 2nd and beyond house be required to have a lower cost than a normal house? It'll solve the problem by freeing up the regular houses from high costs. How does that sound?"
[effect] people with 2 houses are required to turn their second one into a shack

[option] "The problem is that we don't have enough houses." says @@RANDOMMALENAME@@, CEO of Generic House Building Company. "Why don't we just make these poor homeless people build houses for themselves, and then once they make enough money building the houses, they can buy one of the houses they built. I mean, sure they'll be inexperienced, but hey, more houses equals more mone- ahem, I mean places for more people to live!"
[effect] poor people are forced by the building companies to build their own houses and pay for them

[option] "HEY! I can do what I want with my money!" barks @@NAME@@'s 4th richest person, Billy Gateson. "I worked hard to earn my money, and you can't tell me what to do with it! If I want multiple houses, I can have multiple houses! I need places to fit all of my stuff you know! How about you give us a tax cut and maybe I'll consider letting up on all these houses I own!"
[effect] rich people own so many houses, they forget where some of them are
Last edited by Nurkama on Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:31 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Postby Gnejs » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:02 am

I think it might be more interesting if you focused on the conflict between locals and city slickers in the rural area. Now all the options are about houses and how many you should be able to own, whereas I think that this should merely be the backdrop for the options. There could be a townie saying something about how much all the newcomers contribute to the local economy, and maybe a local youth rebutting that it's kind of hard to enjoy a slight upswing in grocery sales if you can't afford buying a house on the street you grew up on. The option that folks should only be able to own one house could be a last "wacky/extreme" option, maybe an old communist grandfather suggesting that the state expropriate all houses in @@NAME@@ and redistribute them, with one per family/household according to some ridiculous criteria as to who gets what type of house. Just a few suggestions.

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Postby Golgothastan » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:08 am

Gnejs wrote:I think it might be more interesting if you focused on the conflict between locals and city slickers in the rural area. Now all the options are about houses and how many you should be able to own, whereas I think that this should merely be the backdrop for the options.

100% agree.

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Postby Nurkama » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:22 am

I like that much better. I'll redo this. I did this up relatively quickly, so... yeah. You'll see a new draft soon.
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Second draft is up!
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Postby Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:27 pm

The last option is not what Communism means. It's not even how it was like when the so-called "Communists of the past" lived in. Change it to be more on equality of housing (what Communists actually believed in) or change it to something else.

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Postby Nurkama » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:38 pm

Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf wrote:The last option is not what Communism means. It's not even how it was like when the so-called "Communists of the past" lived in. Change it to be more on equality of housing (what Communists actually believed in) or change it to something else.


When I was writing that, I completely forgot the definition of communism for some reason. But I decided to make it something else.
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Postby Gnejs » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:11 pm

This looks more interesting. The options are probably a bit long, and I think nr 3 really doesn't add anything. I'll think on it and post some more feedback tomorrow. Regarding the last option, I would have been fine with the old man being/calling himself a communist. Of course no one ever advocated that sort of thing, it's stupid and highly unpractical. But I don't think use of "communists" or "fascists" etc. in issues should need to conform to what different RL ideologies actually advocate or keeping to policies they actually enforced while being practiced. The guy is an old weirdo, and the ridiculous proposal of expropriating everything is the kind of thing rabid anti-communist's could claim communism does in heated debates, making it kind o funny. But it works with an ex-dictator as well, although I would probably go with just making him a weird and confused old person.

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Postby Nurkama » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:11 pm

Gnejs wrote:This looks more interesting. The options are probably a bit long, and I think nr 3 really doesn't add anything. I'll think on it and post some more feedback tomorrow. Regarding the last option, I would have been fine with the old man being/calling himself a communist. Of course no one ever advocated that sort of thing, it's stupid and highly unpractical. But I don't think use of "communists" or "fascists" etc. in issues should need to conform to what different RL ideologies actually advocate or keeping to policies they actually enforced while being practiced. The guy is an old weirdo, and the ridiculous proposal of expropriating everything is the kind of thing rabid anti-communist's could claim communism does in heated debates, making it kind o funny. But it works with an ex-dictator as well, although I would probably go with just making him a weird and confused old person.


Option 3 is the corruption option. But looking back at it, I may make something else for the rich peoples opinion. There will still be bribes, but I'm envisioning it in my head.

I may consider making him a confused old person, considering his name.
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Postby Nurkama » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:29 pm

Third Draft up and ready!

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I like it
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Australian Republic wrote:I like it


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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:32 pm

Your fourth option made me laugh! Especially Greazkalingkajikislanka and the guy in it! :rofl: But overall, this looks good.
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Postby Nurkama » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:45 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Your fourth option made me laugh! Especially Greazkalingkajikislanka and the guy in it! :rofl: But overall, this looks good.


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Postby Gnejs » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:27 am

There are aspects of this draft that still doesn’t sit entirely well with me. I still think that this should be more about the conflict arising in a small community when outsiders come there. To achieve that I think one of the voices should be such an "outsider". You've got the super-rich guy in option 3, sure, but he's not really interested in what's going on in this particular community. Seeing as he's only storing his money there, I doubt he even frequents the area much and therefore he's probably not aware of any tensions.

I suggest rewriting the super-rich guy into a more moderately wealthy urban person being unhappy about all the locals complaining and telling you what a great contribution he and his fellows newcomers are to the community.

In addition, I'm a bit skeptical about the aspect of people becoming homeless, it really needs to be elaborated on why that's happening. We have to assume that the locals were there to begin with, and that at least most of them had a house. Do the locals have no choice but accepting an offer on their house? Are they all in such dire financial situations? Why? Maybe it could be explained that this is a somewhat backwards area where @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@ just closed down a factory, leaving many locals unemployed and therefore desperate when the townies come knocking? But they would get some money from selling their house, right? And wouldn't they initially be selling and buying in the same market? I guess the point is that it seems an unlikely problem that outsiders come into town, buy almost all the houses, and leave people homeless. The more feasible, and interesting, problem would be that they come in, buy a few houses and drive up prices, and then there are tensions building between the two groups as a result of this.

And I don't get the aspect where rich people are seemingly both buying all the old houses and building new ones. Are they buying up the old houses, tearing them down, and building new ones? Or are they buying old houses and land and then building new ones? Either way I think it could use some clarification.

Well, feel free not to take this into account, just my somewhat confused opinions.


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