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Poll: How much should income taxes be?

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Taxes?

They should be lower
19
11%
They should be higher
29
17%
They're just right
4
2%
They should fluctuate on how well the economy does
33
19%
They're ok if we close loopholes for the rich
42
25%
We shouldn't have income taxes
43
25%
 
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Poll: How much should income taxes be?

Postby Nordenkalt » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:03 pm

What are your opinions on the income tax rate? Should it be recessive, progressive, or flat? Are the rich not paying enough? I took a class in economics and discovered that taxes should be lower during times of economic hardship to encourage spending. When the economy is great they should be higher because people have plenty of money in their pockets and it's an opportunity to pay debt. I also believe in a progressive rate where the working poor don't need to pay taxes. What are your thoughts?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:06 pm

What country are you talking about? Higher or lower then what?

Taxes should be progressive, other then that there's not much I can say due to the lack of detail.
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Postby Nordenkalt » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:07 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:What country are you talking about? Higher or lower then what?

Taxes should be progressive, other then that there's not much I can say due to the lack of detail.

Higher or lower than the current US tax rate
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:09 pm

Nordenkalt wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:What country are you talking about? Higher or lower then what?

Taxes should be progressive, other then that there's not much I can say due to the lack of detail.

Higher or lower than the current US tax rate


And what is the current US tax rates?
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:16 pm

They could easily be lowered, and should, if we could just lessen our military sending? Just a little?
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Postby Randerica » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:17 pm

National sales tax only. No income tax.
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Postby Nordenkalt » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:18 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Nordenkalt wrote:Higher or lower than the current US tax rate


And what is the current US tax rates?

I know that it's recessive (lower income workers pay a higher percentage) but I think the maximum rate is something like 37% if you make over $300,000. The rate is much lower if you work your way through loopholes so I think they should pay something like 40% if they make over $200,000 (no loopholes) so the poor can pay less but it should fluctuate with the economy.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:19 pm

Progressive, but not so progressive that masses of people flee your country and revenue is lost, in the case of France.

There's a point at which the highest rate of income tax reaches where revenue is lost, clearly such a point is to be avoided.

The poorest should also pay 0 income tax if possible.
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Postby Randerica » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:23 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:They could easily be lowered, and should, if we could just lessen our military sending? Just a little?


Defense spending is 18% of the total federal budget in the United States. Social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare encompass 59% of the total federal budget. Do you think there are some other programs that may need to be "lessened"?
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Postby Randerica » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:33 pm

Nordenkalt wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
And what is the current US tax rates?

I know that it's recessive (lower income workers pay a higher percentage) but I think the maximum rate is something like 37% if you make over $300,000. The rate is much lower if you work your way through loopholes so I think they should pay something like 40% if they make over $200,000 (no loopholes) so the poor can pay less but it should fluctuate with the economy.


You are very much uninformed. The US tax system is not regressive. For 2015 married taxpayers filing joint returns pay 10% on income up to $18,000, 15% on income above $18,000, 25% above $75,000, 33% above $230,000, 35% above $411,000 and 39.6% on income above $464,000. Exactly what "loopholes" are you referring to?
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:34 pm

Randerica wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:They could easily be lowered, and should, if we could just lessen our military sending? Just a little?


Defense spending is 18% of the total federal budget in the United States. Social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare encompass 59% of the total federal budget. Do you think there are some other programs that may need to be "lessened"?

Okay, take this into consideration: our military spending makes up just barely less than half of the spending of the ENTIRE WORLD. That's a little much, if you ask me. I suggest we give a little more to education, seeing as we're well below the top ten for public education. Besides, those others shouldn't be lessened, seeing as even with all the support we give them, we still have issues there.
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Postby Randerica » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:53 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Randerica wrote:
Defense spending is 18% of the total federal budget in the United States. Social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare encompass 59% of the total federal budget. Do you think there are some other programs that may need to be "lessened"?

Okay, take this into consideration: our military spending makes up just barely less than half of the spending of the ENTIRE WORLD. That's a little much, if you ask me. I suggest we give a little more to education, seeing as we're well below the top ten for public education. Besides, those others shouldn't be lessened, seeing as even with all the support we give them, we still have issues there.


So more money to fund entitlements = less "issues"? Why then has entitlement spending increased from 20% of the federal budget when the "war on poverty" began to almost 60% now and the poverty level has remained the same since about 1980?
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:05 pm

Randerica wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Okay, take this into consideration: our military spending makes up just barely less than half of the spending of the ENTIRE WORLD. That's a little much, if you ask me. I suggest we give a little more to education, seeing as we're well below the top ten for public education. Besides, those others shouldn't be lessened, seeing as even with all the support we give them, we still have issues there.


So more money to fund entitlements = less "issues"? Why then has entitlement spending increased from 20% of the federal budget when the "war on poverty" began to almost 60% now and the poverty level has remained the same since about 1980?

So, you suggest that we underfund efforts to keep our citizens alive, and instead use that money to trail and supply troops that will be rarely, if ever, deployed due to our incredible reliance on drones?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:08 pm

50% for the top bracket, NIT implemented.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:50% for the top bracket, NIT implemented.

That's ridiculous. Ratcheting up the income taxes of the wealthy is not going to do anything. We have to increase the Capital Gains Tax.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:19 pm

Scomagia wrote:That's ridiculous. Ratcheting up the income taxes of the wealthy is not going to do anything. We have to increase the Capital Gains Tax.

You assume that I don't think that capital gains should be counted as income.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:20 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's ridiculous. Ratcheting up the income taxes of the wealthy is not going to do anything. We have to increase the Capital Gains Tax.

You assume that I don't think that capital gains should be counted as income.

You may think that, I don't know. You didn't make that clear.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:21 pm

Scomagia wrote:You may think that, I don't know. You didn't make that clear.

I suppose that's what happens when assumptions are made regarding an unaddressed point that wasn't the subject of the topic.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:27 pm

1 billion%.

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G- We shouldn't have property ownership.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:28 pm

Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:G- We shouldn't have property ownership.

Not every thread needs to turn into a Communism debate.
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Dejanic wrote:
Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:G- We shouldn't have property ownership.

Not every thread needs to turn into a Communism debate.

And they don't. But this is an economics thread….

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Dejanic wrote:
Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:G- We shouldn't have property ownership.

Not every thread needs to turn into a Communism debate.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:41 pm

Nordenkalt wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
And what is the current US tax rates?

I know that it's recessive (lower income workers pay a higher percentage) but I think the maximum rate is something like 37% if you make over $300,000. The rate is much lower if you work your way through loopholes so I think they should pay something like 40% if they make over $200,000 (no loopholes) so the poor can pay less but it should fluctuate with the economy.

It isn't regressive, at least the rates themselves aren't.
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