Polygamy discussion

[Marxist Nations]

Hi all: With the SCOTUS decision legalizing marriage equality in all states, there has been talk of the subject of polygamy. The question of discussion is this: should polygamy be legal? Both civil and religious? There are countries that allow polygamy (mostly Muslim majority countries). But polygamy is banned in I think all western countries. There was a decision made in the Utah (supreme court?) that struck down elements of the polygamy law that effectively decriminalized it.
My opinion: Polygamy should be allowed. As long as all spouses are treated fairly and equally, it's alright.
Anyway, what sayeth NSG?

[Scomagia]

I'm interested to hear arguments against it, since I can't figure out any myself.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't mind it, as long as everyone involved has equal protection under law and it is consensual.

[Marxist Nations]

I'm interested to hear arguments against it, since I can't figure out any myself.

EXACTLY!!!

[New Grestin]

I don't really get what the big deal is.

Marry whomever you want, marry as many people as you want.

I can't be bothered to worry about your choices, that's your problem.

[Uvalla]

I would be okay with legalizing it as long as all of the details of such marriages are worked out. Such as divorce, custody of any children, taxes, etc...

As far as religions are concerned, I don't see any of them changing the views they already have on it.

[Neo Telangana]

It has the potential to seriously fuck up society if a handful of extremely rich, powerful men get all the women. I'm not being facetious; in many ancient societies, this was a huge problem, and women in general were often quite scare for ordinary, poor men to marry. However, as long as this does not happen, I can't see anything too objectionable about polygamy (given the provisions of equal treatment, etc.). However, we should ensure that the upper class does not use polygamy as a means of controlling society and solidifying their position at the top of the social hierarchy, as they historically did.

[Uvalla]

It has the potential to seriously fuck up society if a handful of extremely rich, powerful men get all the women. I'm not being facetious; in many ancient societies, this was a huge problem, and women in general were often quite scare for ordinary, poor men to marry. However, as long as this does not happen, I can't see anything too objectionable about polygamy (given the provisions of equal treatment, etc.). However, we should ensure that the upper class does not use polygamy as a means of controlling society and solidifying their position at the top of the social hierarchy, as they historically did.

I hadn't considered this. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Crezilivion]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

[Scomagia]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

How is gay marriage detrimental?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

How is same sex marriage detrimental? It certainly doesn't infringe upon your right to marry. Or to have kids, or pay your taxes or worship. How is gay marriage detrimental?

[Uvalla]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

How is gay marriage detrimental?

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

[The New Sea Territory]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

How is gay marriage detrimental?

"It doesn't fit my conservative notions about the purpose of marriage."

[New Grestin]

Even if polygamy is hypothetically detrimental somehow it certainly wouldn't be as detrimental as homosexual marriage. It's sort of like how if you're going to allow tobacco you might as well allow marijuana too, it just doesn't make sense not to. I'd be alright with legalizing it as long as there's a limit, like in the Middle East.

We got one!

Homosexual Marriage ain't detrimental. There's another thread where you can have the wrong opinion. I suggest you seek it out.

That said, a limit seems perfectly reasonable, but I can't help but think people would find some kind of legal loophole.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

I certainly agree that polygamy should be legal, even though I'm completely opposed to the practice, and also want to point out that most of the unsavory things we associate with polygamy are crimes in their own right even right without a ban on polygamy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How is gay marriage detrimental?

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

Or polygamy? I mean, if everyone involved is consenting, has equal protections under common law (provided something can be worked out in this department) and is not being coerced, how is polygamy detrimental to society?

[Crezilivion]

How is gay marriage detrimental?

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

It is but you're right we should stay on polygamy. The point is, if gay marriage is allowed (for now), then why not allow polygamy as well?

[New Grestin]

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

Or polygamy? I mean, if everyone involved is consenting, has equal protections under common law (provided something can be worked out in this department) and is not being coerced, how is polygamy detrimental to society?

It really isn't, from what I've seen. The biggest issue is that it tends to be associated with hyper-religious groups abusing women and such.

As long as people weren't allowed to go apeshit with it, I don't see why legalizing polygamy is such a problem.

[Uvalla]

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

It is but you're right we should stay on polygamy. The point is, if gay marriage is allowed (for now), then why not allow polygamy as well?

Because they are two seperate issues and shouldn't be treated as one. They're very similar, yes, but not the same.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Or polygamy? I mean, if everyone involved is consenting, has equal protections under common law (provided something can be worked out in this department) and is not being coerced, how is polygamy detrimental to society?

It really isn't, from what I've seen. The biggest issue is that it tends to be associated with hyper-religious groups abusing women and such.

As long as people weren't allowed to go apeshit with it, I don't see why legalizing polygamy is such a problem.

My only concern is common law. There isn't a provision under our current law code that covers polygamous marriages. That would need to be tweaked to allow everyone involved equal share of assets and child care in case the union goes south. But other than this, as long as, as I've said, there is consent and everyone's on equal footing, I don't have an issue with polygamy nor do I see it as detrimental to society.

And if we're to go the religious route, it was a biblically sanctioned practice.

[Azorean Lands]

I'm against polygamy and against gay marriage.
Even if I do realise it pulls on the slippery slope argument, I believe society's views on the idea of marriage have stepped lower and lower, killing it of any true meaning. I'm all in favour on people voting on it, and if people want gay marriage, that's fine, but I'd just be a part of the people voting no.
The case in the US was pretty horrible since it has overriden a lot of state laws by having the federal government impose gay marriage on states who didn't want to recognise it, a sad day for democracy.

[Scomagia]

It isn't. There's always the one guy who turns every conversation into this though. Better we stay on topic about polygamy.

It is but you're right we should stay on polygamy. The point is, if gay marriage is allowed (for now), then why not allow polygamy as well?

You tell us. Why not polygamy?

[Corpseville]

Personally, as long ad I get all the womens, ist gut. If not. Nu.
(Joking... kinda...)
I don't see an issue with it, as long as not every woman is married just cause one guy tries to marry every person in the U.S. which you can be sure would happen.
Group weddings of thousands of people. Imagine the chaos.

I'm against polygamy and against gay marriage.
Even if I do realise it pulls on the slippery slope argument, I believe society's views on the idea of marriage have stepped lower and lower, killing it of any true meaning. I'm all in favour on people voting on it, and if people want gay marriage, that's fine, but I'd just be a part of the people voting no.
The case in the US was pretty horrible since it has overriden a lot of state laws by having the federal government impose gay marriage on states who didn't want to recognise it, a sad day for democracy.

Now. This is also my thing. As long as they don't do what they did with the gay marriage , i'm good. Although I wouldn't vote on it at all, 'cause if others want to do it, sure. As long as they don't try to fuck my relationships up.


INB4 animal marriage.

[Scomagia]

I'm against polygamy and against gay marriage.
Even if I do realise it pulls on the slippery slope argument, I believe society's views on the idea of marriage have stepped lower and lower, killing it of any true meaning. I'm all in favour on people voting on it, and if people want gay marriage, that's fine, but I'd just be a part of the people voting no.
The case in the US was pretty horrible since it has overriden a lot of state laws by having the federal government impose gay marriage on states who didn't want to recognise it, a sad day for democracy.

Was it also a sad day for democracy when the federal government said that interracial marriage was legal?

[Empire of Donner land]

Utah wasnt allowed to be a state because of polygamy right? due to they're largely Mormon population. Something just tells me we arent ready for this yet. give it 2-5 years maybe.