The general gun control thread

[Waldeck-Pyrmont]

A topic that prods into where I live often is the debate over the ownership of firearms and such.

I live in the State of New York, where my neighbors scream how we're being oppressed by the SAFE act, and where people in the cities writhe in fear over the thought of a gun. Me, myself, is the owner of 3 different firearms, all of them non-assault rifle and hunting oriented. To me, the SAFE act is really legislating for the cities, and I'd prefer a more decentralized argument to gun ownership (As people in urban areas want firearms for protection, my firearms help feed myself and the family).

Thoughts, anyone?

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Sorry if this has been done before. Not going to look back 2002 pages of threads to see.

[Libreng]

I support the right of the people to keep and bear arms, as determined by the 2nd amendment (see: Heller v. District of Columbia). Of course, things like universal background checks and making sure ex-convicts/mentally incapacitated citizens can't get guns would not be opposed in my book.

[Llamalandia]

A topic that prods into where I live often is the debate over the ownership of firearms and such.

I live in the State of New York, where my neighbors scream how we're being oppressed by the SAFE act, and where people in the cities writhe in fear over the thought of a gun. Me, myself, is the owner of 3 different firearms, all of them non-assault rifle and hunting oriented. To me, the SAFE act is really legislating for the cities, and I'd prefer a more decentralized argument to gun ownership (As people in urban areas want firearms for protection, my firearms help feed myself and the family).

Thoughts, anyone?

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Sorry if this has been done before. Not going to look back 2002 pages of threads to see.

IT has many many many oh so many times before. But that's ok. Always fun to do it again. anyway, yeah, gun control is stupid and largely unconstitutional.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Assault weapons are a made-up scare tactic designed to win lying fuckwads the votes of the ignorant and/or manipulative, many 'gun-control' ideas are racist (either in their effect(s) or by their very design), a modernization of the NICS program in the US could avoid the racial discrimination problems of other typically proposed systems for a 'universal' background check (and such should be carefully implemented as opposed to rushed into as by the aforementioned fuckwads in ways that has the ACLU criticizing it's shittiness), 922(r) provisions could be axed entirely, the ban on newly-manufactured NFA items could be lifted seeing as how such legal NFA items haven't been an issue, Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about...well, a whole lot of shit, really.
Thank you.

[Steamtopia]

Oh boy, we've never done this before.


I've yet to meet anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who has wanted one. Seems to work pretty well to me if we just all stay away from them.

[Glorious KASSRD]

Oh boy, we've never done this before.


I've yet to meet anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who has wanted one. Seems to work pretty well to me if we just all stay away from them.

I can't do that where I live. So, what do I do then?

[Steamtopia]

Oh boy, we've never done this before.


I've yet to meet anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who has wanted one. Seems to work pretty well to me if we just all stay away from them.

I can't do that where I live. So, what do I do then?

Move.

[Glorious KASSRD]

I can't do that where I live. So, what do I do then?

Move.

But I don't want to move, I like it here.

[Big Jim P]

Oh boy, we've never done this before.


I've yet to meet anyone who owns a gun, or anyone who has wanted one. Seems to work pretty well to me if we just all stay away from them.

I've had pretty much the exact opposite experience (I know many gun owners and most people I know want them) with the same results (this works very well).

[Steamtopia]

Move.

But I don't want to move, I like it here.

Kick everyone else out, then.

[Big Jim P]

Move.

But I don't want to move, I like it here.

Where is here?

[Wallenburg]

I thought Second Amendment / Gun Control was still active...

[Wallenburg]

Assault weapons are a made-up scare tactic designed to win lying fuckwads the votes of the ignorant and/or manipulative, many 'gun-control' ideas are racist (either in their effect(s) or by their very design), a modernization of the NICS program in the US could avoid the racial discrimination problems of other typically proposed systems for a 'universal' background check (and such should be carefully implemented as opposed to rushed into as by the aforementioned fuckwads in ways that has the ACLU criticizing it's shittiness), 922(r) provisions could be axed entirely, the ban on newly-manufactured NFA items could be lifted seeing as how such legal NFA items haven't been an issue, Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about...well, a whole lot of shit, really.
Thank you.

This is why gun rights advocates have such a problem winning over moderates.

[Llamalandia]

I thought Second Amendment / Gun Control was still active...

What does that mean exactly. That there is a debate between 2ndA supporters and gun control activists or that "reasonable" gun restrictions can still be consistent with the 2nd A?

[Big Jim P]

Assault weapons are a made-up scare tactic designed to win lying fuckwads the votes of the ignorant and/or manipulative, many 'gun-control' ideas are racist (either in their effect(s) or by their very design), a modernization of the NICS program in the US could avoid the racial discrimination problems of other typically proposed systems for a 'universal' background check (and such should be carefully implemented as opposed to rushed into as by the aforementioned fuckwads in ways that has the ACLU criticizing it's shittiness), 922(r) provisions could be axed entirely, the ban on newly-manufactured NFA items could be lifted seeing as how such legal NFA items haven't been an issue, Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about...well, a whole lot of shit, really.
Thank you.

This is why gun rights advocates have such a problem winning over moderates.

Support for gun rights is on the increase of late.

[Celsuis]

Criminals will always have firearms, illegal or not. Law-abiding civilians ought to have the means to defend themselves. So-called assault weapons are almost never used in crimes, but if people desire them to defend themselves with them , they ought not to be restricted from doing so. Ultimately, ownership of guns/firearms is of utmost importance to personal safety as well as the security of a free state. It is my personal belief that the ownership of any weapon capable of being used with extreme discretion should not be restricted.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I quite like having guns myself.

[Llamalandia]

Criminals will always have firearms, illegal or not. Law-abiding civilians ought to have the means to defend themselves. So-called assault weapons are almost never used in crimes, but if people desire them to defend themselves with them , they ought not to be restricted from doing so. Ultimately, ownership of guns/firearms is of utmost importance to personal safety as well as the security of a free state. It is my personal belief that the ownership of any weapon capable of being used with extreme discretion should not be restricted.

Well in fairness if you don't mind a jack booted police state=, I'm sure gun control measures could be taken to such extremes as to confiscate most illegal weapons. Of course the cost is not worth. A few thousands deaths are a reasonable price to pay for securing gun rights and liberties to the vast overwhelming majority of non-violent citizenry.

[MERIZoC]

Never understood the appeal. Must be nice in Britain not to have the kind of gun culture that exists here.

[Llamalandia]

Never understood the appeal. Must be nice in Britain not to have the kind of gun culture that exists here.

And how exactly does "gun culture" affect your everyday life in a negative way? Or is it like "rape culture" and not actually exist.

[Celsuis]

Criminals will always have firearms, illegal or not. Law-abiding civilians ought to have the means to defend themselves. So-called assault weapons are almost never used in crimes, but if people desire them to defend themselves with them , they ought not to be restricted from doing so. Ultimately, ownership of guns/firearms is of utmost importance to personal safety as well as the security of a free state. It is my personal belief that the ownership of any weapon capable of being used with extreme discretion should not be restricted.

Well in fairness if you don't mind a jack booted police state=, I'm sure gun control measures could be taken to such extremes as to confiscate most illegal weapons. Of course the cost is not worth. A few thousands deaths are a reasonable price to pay for securing gun rights and liberties to the vast overwhelming majority of non-violent citizenry.

Considering how contraband and drugs still manage to slip into US Supermax prisons, I highly doubt any government however powerful or pervasive is capable of confiscating weapons/firearms. It just won't happen. We should recognize this fact that give people the means necessary to defend themselves.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

As always, I'm viscerally opposed to any sort of gun ownership.

[Washington Resistance Army]

As always, I'm viscerally opposed to any sort of gun ownership.

For what reasons?

[Confederate Ramenia]

This is why gun rights advocates have such a problem winning over moderates.

Support for gun rights is on the increase of late.

Source? That's 3spooky5me

Well in fairness if you don't mind a jack booted police state=, I'm sure gun control measures could be taken to such extremes as to confiscate most illegal weapons. Of course the cost is not worth. A few thousands deaths are a reasonable price to pay for securing gun rights and liberties to the vast overwhelming majority of non-violent citizenry.

Considering how contraband and drugs still manage to slip into US Supermax prisons, I highly doubt any government however powerful or pervasive is capable of confiscating weapons/firearms. It just won't happen. We should recognize this fact that give people the means necessary to defend themselves.

This. LITERAL PRISONS, where prisoners have no rights and the state has total control, still have illegal drugs and guns. Prohibition, of alcohol, drugs, or guns almost always fails and ends up making the use of what is prohibited even more dangerous.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

As always, I'm viscerally opposed to any sort of gun ownership.

For what reasons?

I don't want to live in a community where regular, untrained, unsupervised people have even the remotest access to deadly weapons. I feel much safer in communities where only police services, which are trained to keep me safe, can access and use firearms. And even then, I'd prefer that the police don't carry them around on regular patrols.