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Postby Stantenople » Sat May 30, 2015 6:31 am

A term us South Africans are far too familiar with, the question being; should it stay as is, ensuring any person unhappy with anything have the right to grind a company to a halt. Or should it be made illegal, allowing the company to warn or fire those striking on the spot ensuring a fast growing economy?

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Postby Kannap » Sat May 30, 2015 7:00 am

Stantenople wrote:A term us South Africans are far too familiar with, the question being; should it stay as is, ensuring any person unhappy with anything have the right to grind a company to a halt. Or should it be made illegal, allowing the company to warn or fire those striking on the spot ensuring a fast growing economy?


Your title has a typo, stating "stike" instead of "strike", though you could probably make a more descriptive title anyway to better explain the thread.

Also, you've not stated your own opinion. What is your opinion? Should people be allowed to strike or should it be illegal, in your opinion? How can you expect others to tell you their opinion when you don't share yours?

Also, striking is not only limited to South Africa, many nations have had moments of people on strike in their histories. So, is there a certain example you are wanting to discuss? Is there currently a strike ongoing in South Africa or something?

There are lots of questions your OP leaves us wondering.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 7:06 am

Valuing a fast growing economy over workers' rights sounds pretty backwards to me.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 30, 2015 7:17 am

I like my stikes medium-rare and the fires to be crispy.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 7:19 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I like my stikes medium-rare and the fires to be crispy.

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Postby Stantenople » Sat May 30, 2015 7:43 am

Kannap wrote:
Stantenople wrote:A term us South Africans are far too familiar with, the question being; should it stay as is, ensuring any person unhappy with anything have the right to grind a company to a halt. Or should it be made illegal, allowing the company to warn or fire those striking on the spot ensuring a fast growing economy?


Your title has a typo, stating "stike" instead of "strike", though you could probably make a more descriptive title anyway to better explain the thread.

Also, you've not stated your own opinion. What is your opinion? Should people be allowed to strike or should it be illegal, in your opinion? How can you expect others to tell you their opinion when you don't share yours?

Also, striking is not only limited to South Africa, many nations have had moments of people on strike in their histories. So, is there a certain example you are wanting to discuss? Is there currently a strike ongoing in South Africa or something?

There are lots of questions your OP leaves us wondering.

Thank you for the correction :). I am quite aware that it's not only limited to South Africa, I simply wanted to know the opinion of people concerning them. Naturally there are strikes ongoing, throwing of rocks, burning of tires exetra. Though not necessarily today, or this week per say. Last week there was one involving collage students where they threw rocks at cars. Some of those striking are also unaware of the fact that their actions are injuring the company affected or the economy (the striking miners for instance) which caused the De Beers company to sell their mines I think.

Do strikes happen on such a regular basis in first world countries?

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 7:48 am

Stantenople wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Your title has a typo, stating "stike" instead of "strike", though you could probably make a more descriptive title anyway to better explain the thread.

Also, you've not stated your own opinion. What is your opinion? Should people be allowed to strike or should it be illegal, in your opinion? How can you expect others to tell you their opinion when you don't share yours?

Also, striking is not only limited to South Africa, many nations have had moments of people on strike in their histories. So, is there a certain example you are wanting to discuss? Is there currently a strike ongoing in South Africa or something?

There are lots of questions your OP leaves us wondering.

Thank you for the correction :). I am quite aware that it's not only limited to South Africa, I simply wanted to know the opinion of people concerning them. Naturally there are strikes ongoing, throwing of rocks, burning of tires exetra. Though not necessarily today, or this week per say. Last week there was one involving collage students where they threw rocks at cars. Some of those striking are also unaware of the fact that their actions are injuring the company affected or the economy (the striking miners for instance) which caused the De Beers company to sell their mines I think.

The entire point of a strike it to hurt the company.

Do strikes happen on such a regular basis in first world countries?

They happen, but I don't know if they'd be that regular. We generally prefer that they not involve throwing or burning anything. We call those riots.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 30, 2015 7:51 am

Stantenople wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Your title has a typo, stating "stike" instead of "strike", though you could probably make a more descriptive title anyway to better explain the thread.

Also, you've not stated your own opinion. What is your opinion? Should people be allowed to strike or should it be illegal, in your opinion? How can you expect others to tell you their opinion when you don't share yours?

Also, striking is not only limited to South Africa, many nations have had moments of people on strike in their histories. So, is there a certain example you are wanting to discuss? Is there currently a strike ongoing in South Africa or something?

There are lots of questions your OP leaves us wondering.

Thank you for the correction :). I am quite aware that it's not only limited to South Africa, I simply wanted to know the opinion of people concerning them. Naturally there are strikes ongoing, throwing of rocks, burning of tires exetra. Though not necessarily today, or this week per say. Last week there was one involving collage students where they threw rocks at cars. Some of those striking are also unaware of the fact that their actions are injuring the company affected or the economy (the striking miners for instance) which caused the De Beers company to sell their mines I think.

Do strikes happen on such a regular basis in first world countries?

The point of strikes is to hurt a company.

And yes, workers should be allowed to strike.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 30, 2015 8:00 am

There should be no bowling in the workplace. These outrages must be the product of the machinations of Cousin Roman.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sat May 30, 2015 8:08 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I like my stikes medium-rare and the fires to be crispy.


Yum. :)
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat May 30, 2015 8:15 am

Normally a strike should only take place after the union has voted in favour of it.
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Postby Esternial » Sat May 30, 2015 8:15 am

Striking needs limits. I don't know about you, but Belgium has a wee bit too much of them, and sometimes invoked way too quickly in lieu of trying to continue a dialogue. Sometimes I feel that, as soon as certain Unions don't get their way, they throw a tantrum by starting a strike.

I sometimes feel that at least one part of our public transportation strikes about every two months.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 30, 2015 8:46 am

Esternial wrote:Striking needs limits. I don't know about you, but Belgium has a wee bit too much of them, and sometimes invoked way too quickly in lieu of trying to continue a dialogue. Sometimes I feel that, as soon as certain Unions don't get their way, they throw a tantrum by starting a strike.

I sometimes feel that at least one part of our public transportation strikes about every two months.

Well, if the unions and their members want better conditions and aren't getting them then what else are they meant to do?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 30, 2015 8:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:Striking needs limits. I don't know about you, but Belgium has a wee bit too much of them, and sometimes invoked way too quickly in lieu of trying to continue a dialogue. Sometimes I feel that, as soon as certain Unions don't get their way, they throw a tantrum by starting a strike.

I sometimes feel that at least one part of our public transportation strikes about every two months.

Well, if the unions and their members want better conditions and aren't getting them then what else are they meant to do?


Go to North Korea I imagine!
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat May 30, 2015 9:25 am

Having been in South Africa during the glorious 5 month post office strike, it gave me plenty of time to compare it with such actions as the ship-builders in Glasgow used to, or the train drivers strikes such as the one narrowly avoided just this week in the UK.

I can sympathise slightly with the SA post office strike, however for it to go on for months highlights that the government doesn't care for its people, and also that the union doesn't care for the common interests of the general public.

Whereas I can't symathise with the Glasgow ship builders of the train drivers. When the industry ended up going abroad, they demonised Thatcher for killing "our" industry, when in reality they were getting paid well, and simply pushed their luck, killing their own industry. The same is true of the train drivers, a very nice pay packet already, and yet the unions demands more.
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Postby Esternial » Sat May 30, 2015 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:Striking needs limits. I don't know about you, but Belgium has a wee bit too much of them, and sometimes invoked way too quickly in lieu of trying to continue a dialogue. Sometimes I feel that, as soon as certain Unions don't get their way, they throw a tantrum by starting a strike.

I sometimes feel that at least one part of our public transportation strikes about every two months.

Well, if the unions and their members want better conditions and aren't getting them then what else are they meant to do?

I don't know. I said it needs limits, but never claimed that those limits are realistically possible.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sat May 30, 2015 10:25 am

Stantenople wrote:A term us South Africans are far too familiar with, the question being; should it stay as is, ensuring any person unhappy with anything have the right to grind a company to a halt. Or should it be made illegal, allowing the company to warn or fire those striking on the spot ensuring a fast growing economy?

Between the title typo and the insufficient OP, lock.

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