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#Mansplaining The Statue

Postby Basseemia » Thu May 28, 2015 2:59 pm

So to start this off, if you don't know what mansplaining is, read all about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansplaining

Anyway, University of the Incarnate Word has some statues in their campus that depicts a girl and a guy flirting/congregating/whatever you wanna call it. People on Twitter had an aneurysm about these statues and claimed they were the epitome of mansplaining (see earlier in OP for explanation).

Article: http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... n-twitter/

I believe this has been going waaaay too far for waaaay too long. It seems that sexism has just become a game of who can point fingers the most and it's actually making real sexism to lose coverage. When something that is actually very sexist happens, it loses the amount of significance and people don't see it as that big of a deal because of the people who cried sexist so many times. In regard to the statues, it's actually funny. They are basically saying that any man who tries to flirt with a woman is trying to assert his oppressive dominance on to this innocent oppressed female in order to flaunt his privilege. It also makes logical feminists look bad by creating these accusing terms in order to further justify what they are doing.

So do you believe mansplaining is a thing and is it being displayed here? Is there any reason to cause controversy over these statues? And do yo agree with the people on Twitter that are shown in the article?

Edit: I realized I had written "State" instead of "Statue"! Whoops! :p
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Postby New Werpland » Thu May 28, 2015 3:01 pm

Silliness.

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 28, 2015 3:06 pm

What in the actual fuck?

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Postby Gnork » Thu May 28, 2015 3:10 pm

mansplaining


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Postby Souseiseki » Thu May 28, 2015 3:16 pm

well, this is stupid.
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Postby Chessmistress » Thu May 28, 2015 3:22 pm

I think the statue really depicts mansplaining.
Criticism of these things is not new - some of these old things from a more patriarchal age still fuel rape culture nowadays

http://feministing.com/2012/10/04/iconi ... t-romance/
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu May 28, 2015 3:27 pm

Chessmistress wrote:I think the statue really depicts mansplaining.
Criticism of these things is not new - some of these old things from a more patriarchal age still fuel rape culture nowadays

http://feministing.com/2012/10/04/iconi ... t-romance/


please femsplain how the statue depict manspaining. i guess you interpret art different from the way the creator intended, but you'd need at least some sort of justification.
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Postby Aidannadia » Thu May 28, 2015 3:29 pm

1st statue: They are just talking? I can see why you would say this based on body language, as the man is taking a rather dominant position, but that says nothing about what he is saying, nor does it say anything about the intentions of the conversation

2nd statue:Who cares? Just a guy relaxing on a bench.

3rd statue: It looks to me like the man is telling a joke or just told one and the girl is laughing. Most likely flirting. Doesn't mean he is explaining some concept as if he knows more than the other person?

I realize art interpretations are more fluid than just what I see, but, at this point, wouldn't it make more sense that people calling this art out are just looking for a reason to argue or are just making a joke? I don't mean to say that feminism is the only movement that does this either.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 28, 2015 3:30 pm

Gnork wrote:
mansplaining


Tumblr-speak has no place in real life, case closed.


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Postby Chessmistress » Thu May 28, 2015 3:31 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I think the statue really depicts mansplaining.
Criticism of these things is not new - some of these old things from a more patriarchal age still fuel rape culture nowadays

http://feministing.com/2012/10/04/iconi ... t-romance/


please femsplain how the statue depict manspaining. i guess you interpret art different from the way the creator intended, but you'd need at least some sort of justification.


The dominant and assertive position of the male is pretty telling, for starters. Not mentioning the woman begging attention from him, that's even worse.
Have you checked my link about the famous photo that is, in reality, a depiction of a sexual assault?
That's Feministing, it's the main feminist site in USA, so please don't say that's a radical feminist position: most feminists are aware of such problems.
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Postby Basseemia » Thu May 28, 2015 3:35 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
The dominant and assertive position of the male is pretty telling, for starters. Not mentioning the woman begging attention from him, that's even worse.
Have you checked my link about the famous photo that is, in reality, a depiction of a sexual assault?
That's Feministing, it's the main feminist site in USA, so please don't say that's a radical feminist position: most feminists are aware of such problems.

How is she begging for attention?
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Postby Gnork » Thu May 28, 2015 3:35 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Gnork wrote:
Tumblr-speak has no place in real life, case closed.


>Has a Strasser quote in his sig
>tells OTHER people what "has no place in real life"


Political difference aside: "mansplaining" is bullshit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 28, 2015 3:39 pm

Basseemia wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
The dominant and assertive position of the male is pretty telling, for starters. Not mentioning the woman begging attention from him, that's even worse.
Have you checked my link about the famous photo that is, in reality, a depiction of a sexual assault?
That's Feministing, it's the main feminist site in USA, so please don't say that's a radical feminist position: most feminists are aware of such problems.

How is she begging for attention?


She's talking to a man ;)
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu May 28, 2015 3:44 pm

Souseiseki wrote:well, this is stupid.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu May 28, 2015 3:50 pm

New Werpland wrote:Silliness.

Souseiseki wrote:well, this is stupid.

Napkiraly wrote:What in the actual fuck?

These pretty much sum it up.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 28, 2015 3:53 pm

I'm a radical feminist and honestly think the whole "mansplaining" thing is kiiiiiind of silly.
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Postby Avalonlea » Thu May 28, 2015 4:02 pm

Mansplaining is a very real thing, and yes, those pictures are all indicative of the implicit and ingrained sexism that people of all genders experience on an everyday basis. Sexism and misogyny are so entrenched that we don't see them in the small and nuanced ways in which they occur, but only in the explicit cases, and then, there is a tendency to generalise and minimise the trauma and or discomfort as felt by the exploited. Patriarchy presses both men and women in different ways. It's a part of our culture and our political systems and authority.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu May 28, 2015 4:04 pm

The man is taking a rather dominant position and is appearing to tell the women something, with the woman holding open a book.

One of the ways to interpret it would be that the man is talking to the woman about how he's already read that book, or read a review of it, and trying to explain it to her to showcase his profound and extensive knowledge, as if she herself somehow cannot comprehend the book. This happens commonly enough so that "mansplaining" has become an actual thing.
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Postby Floydian Britain » Thu May 28, 2015 4:05 pm

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu May 28, 2015 4:07 pm

The person who invented the term should have been dragged out into the street and shot.
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Postby Chessmistress » Thu May 28, 2015 4:07 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I'm a radical feminist and honestly think the whole "mansplaining" thing is kiiiiiind of silly.


It seems an oxymoron.
Similar problems like the ones with these statue are raised everywhere in the world
It's not just only the 1945 photo highlighted by feministing
http://feministing.com/2012/10/04/iconi ... t-romance/
Something similar happened even in France with a statue depicting sexual assault http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... group.html
Even if they failed, Osez Le Feminisme is a great group, particularly active against prostitution and street harassment
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu May 28, 2015 4:08 pm

Silly matriarchists.

The Lone Alliance wrote:The person who invented the term should have been dragged out into the street and shot.

Are you advocating murder?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 28, 2015 4:12 pm

Having read the article, it all seems like a pretty reasonable situation in which a student interpreted a statue in a humorous manner and now for some reason the OP is up in arms?
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu May 28, 2015 4:15 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Silly matriarchists.

The Lone Alliance wrote:The person who invented the term should have been dragged out into the street and shot.

Are you advocating murder?
It's a quote from a comic, it's intended to be an overblown reaction for a reason.

It's a rather uncommon but occasionally used term here by multiple people in different variations, sometimes it's shot, some times it's being beaten, some time's it's being beaten by pool noodles.
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Thu May 28, 2015 4:16 pm

Ridiculous. It's a statue of two people talking.

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