[Passed] Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples"

[Excidium Planetis]

And shouldn't you repeal a resolution that forces nations to legalize [insert prejudicial exaggeration here]?

With a cynical, hyperbolic argument deliberately playing on people's prejudices by trying to scare them into thinking that giving natives rights to retain their culture will just induce them into committing human sacrifice? Hardly.

The prejudicial exaggeration that was your own words?

And, no, I don't believe any argument whose basis is the same basis as real world laws passed by real world countries with real world concerns is hyperbolic. What the f*** do you not understand about modern era India banning a cultural practice by a minority ethnic group being a legitimate basis for NS arguments?

Just face it: the rest of the world isn't as modern and civilized as wherever the hell you live. Ritual murder and other cultural practices happen in the real world. They are done by indigenous people in the real world. They done even now, in the "modern" world, with enough frequency to deserve national legislation on them. Real world politicians hopefully would not consider the argument used here as hyperbolic!

There is very good reason to repeal legislation that effectively legalizes murder!

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Jaywalking, fraud, embezzlement, sexual harrassment, general harrassment, stalking, money laundering, causing mayhem, squatting, conspiracy and attempts to each and everyone of them, child abuse... (because y'know, NS' states can do whatever the fuck they want OOCly, as long as it doesn't break any site rules, so a religion held by a group of "aboriginals" that actually involves satanic child sacrifices is not entirely out of the loop. As it stands they can claim protection from target resolution to avoid getting their arses shut down for doing something every sane human being realizes is utterly immoral and should be brought to justice).

From the fact alone that the GA has to basically pass the entire lawbook (and resolution space comes at no more than ~3,000 words) of any reasonable country to plug this hole in target resolution, which would take insanely long time and literally bog the GA down for years on end, one can conclude that the target resolution was poorly slashed together with very little afterthought and should be thrown out already, regardless of its alledged bumpersticker feelgood points.

OOC: In the interest of averting hyperbole, I will point out that satanic child sacrifice would fall under GAR #222, Prevention of Child Abuse. The target resolution therefore only requires you to legalize the ritual murder of adults if there's an indigenous group that practices such a thing. Kids are still off limits.

All that other stuff you said, though...

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

THE NATIVES ARE GONNA SACRIFICE US TO THEIR GOOOOOOOODS!!!

Yeah, a lot of grisly murders happen in the West, too. That doesn't mean we're sliding back toward human sacrifice. Get a grip, will you?

Non-indigenous peoples committing despicable yet non-ritual murders does not mean the natives are coming to eat our carcasses...even if they are from the Third World you so love to bash!

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

THE NATIVES ARE GONNA SACRIFICE US TO THEIR GOOOOOOOODS!!!

Yeah, a lot of grisly murders happen in the West, too. That doesn't mean we're sliding back toward human sacrifice. Get a grip, will you?

Non-indigenous peoples committing despicable yet non-ritual murders does not mean the natives are coming to eat our carcasses...even if they are from the Third World you so love to bash!

The quote editing was funny the first time, now it is getting annoying Kenny.

[Excidium Planetis]

THE NATIVES ARE GONNA SACRIFICE US TO THEIR GOOOOOOOODS!!!

Yeah, a lot of grisly murders happen in the West, too. That doesn't mean we're sliding back toward human sacrifice. Get a grip, will you?

Non-indigenous peoples committing despicable yet non-ritual murders does not mean the natives are coming to eat our carcasses...even if they are from the Third World you so love to bash!

You're putting words in my mouth, and its rather pathetic.

I am not bashing the third world. If saying that ritual murder takes place there is considered bashing the third world, then the third world bashes itself. Seriously, how many times must I say it to get it through your head? India passed an Act outlawing the practice of burning widows or aiding the practice of burning widows, in 1988. NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT. Obviously, politicians in India thought that ritual murder was occurring at a rate significant enough in their own fucking country, that they needed a law on it. So I guess they were just a bunch of Imperialist, Sensationalist, Third World bashers right? Not like they had any legitimate problem they needed to pass appropriate legislation on.

And Yes THOSE ARE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE COMMITTING RITUAL MURDER. What the hell do you think ritual murder is? A cultural practice of forcibly burning widows on their husbands funeral pyres... a religious ceremony, is not ritual? Or murder? And I guess a people group that is culturally distinct and existed in the country before the arrival of a dominant culture... nah, they fucking aren't indigenous. Lol, everyone knows Native Americans are the only indigenous culture in the world, no other ethnic and cultural groups are indigenous!

And who is talking about backsliding? There are nations, in real life and in NS, where ritual murder is currently occurring. It isn't going to spring up because its legal. Its going to stay at the same rate, except now you can't even execute the murderers who did it.

Come back when you can logically evaluate arguments and draw real world connections. Preferably with an example of a country that legalized ritual murder.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Excuse me?

As a tribal federation, tCacice Teotli Huacacota'i Yocatli Cari'i Xitecatopa Calopo'i Ik' Ka' Ek' Akai takes pride in the ritual human sacrifice performed within the confines of our archipelago. We are saving you from the apocalypse. Stop being such an ingrate!

[Excidium Planetis]

Excuse me?

As a tribal federation, tCacice Teotli Huacacota'i Yocatli Cari'i Xitecatopa Calopo'i Ik' Ka' Ek' Akai takes pride in the ritual human sacrifice performed within the confines of our archipelago. We are saving you from the apocalypse. Stop being such an ingrate!

Okay. Good for you. Repealing the resolution will still allow you to sacrifice people if you want, it will just allow our nation to outlaw it in our nation.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Excuse me?

As a tribal federation, tCacice Teotli Huacacota'i Yocatli Cari'i Xitecatopa Calopo'i Ik' Ka' Ek' Akai takes pride in the ritual human sacrifice performed within the confines of our archipelago. We are saving you from the apocalypse. Stop being such an ingrate!

Okay. Good for you. Repealing the resolution will still allow you sacrifice people if you want, it will just allow our nation to outlaw it in our nation.

This is clearly infringing on the duties of Yocatullic expats to prevent the apocalypse.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Okay. Good for you. Repealing the resolution will still allow you sacrifice people if you want, it will just allow our nation to outlaw it in our nation.

This is clearly infringing on the duties of Yocatullic expats to prevent the apocalypse.

Whoopty shit for you. We can cause the apocalypse to rain down on you with two missiles, and I can assure you that no matter how many people you butcher in an attempt to stop it, it still will not prevent the captain of that sub from turning the key. Keep that in mind please.

[Excidium Planetis]

Okay. Good for you. Repealing the resolution will still allow you sacrifice people if you want, it will just allow our nation to outlaw it in our nation.

This is clearly infringing on the duties of Yocatullic expats to prevent the apocalypse.

If they wanted to prevent the apocalypse, why did they move to a country that frowned on human sacrifice?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

This is clearly infringing on the duties of Yocatullic expats to prevent the apocalypse.

Whoopty shit for you. We can cause the apocalypse to rain down on you with two missiles, and I can assure you that no matter how many people you butcher in an attempt to stop it, it still will not prevent the captain of that sub from turning the key. Keep that in mind please.

Of course, nuking civilians is the proper way to deal with the death penalty combined with social redemption

This is clearly infringing on the duties of Yocatullic expats to prevent the apocalypse.

If they wanted to prevent the apocalypse, why did they move to a country that frowned on human sacrifice?

For the most part, they don't. I like to joke there's only 3 foreigners in the entire country, and I'd like to imagine it works the same when you flip it around.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

And Yes THOSE ARE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE COMMITTING RITUAL MURDER.

Alright, calm down.

First off, ritual murder refers to human sacrifice, not any religion- or culture-based killing.

Second off, Indians are not indigenous peoples, as they govern their own country.

I am not opposed to repealing this resolution; I just happen to think that this particular repeal argument is complete bullshit.

[Excidium Planetis]

And Yes THOSE ARE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE COMMITTING RITUAL MURDER.

Alright, calm down.

First off, ritual murder refers to human sacrifice, not any religion- or culture-based killing.

Second off, Indians are not indigenous peoples, as they govern their own country.

I am not opposed to repealing this resolution; I just happen to think that this particular repeal argument is complete bullshit.

Okay, maybe the decision to use ritual murder was a bad idea... but the resolution being repealed still allows the cultural murder that Sati is. So the argument still stands, even of it isn't directly mentioned in the repeal.

And it isn't "Indians", it is Bengali people specifically. Sati occurred in the Bengali province at a rate 10 times higher than the rest of India combined. The Bengali do not rule India, and only make up about 10% of India's population, I think. They aren't generally considered indigenous, but they were indigenous during Britain's rule, and could theoretically be indigenous in the face of an invasion. And this is NS, anyways, I sure in one of the many alternate Earths, the Bengali are ruled by some other country entirely, and they are indigenous.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples" was passed 9,876 votes to 4,693.

Maybe a lesson was learned here, but somehow I doubt it.

[Excidium Planetis]

Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples" was passed 9,876 votes to 4,693.

Maybe a lesson was learned here, but somehow I doubt it.

Isn't that a greater margin than the original resolution?

[Imperium Anglorum]

Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples" was passed 9,876 votes to 4,693.

Maybe a lesson was learned here, but somehow I doubt it.

Isn't that a greater margin than the original resolution?

Yes, 62.95 per cent (original) to 67.79 per cent (repeal). Slight difference though. However, mission accomplished.

[Imperium Anglorum]

HG Cyril Parsons (left), the Excellent Permanent Representative to the World Assembly for Imperium Anglorum, would like to thank all those who voted on our resolution.

We would like to wish all of you best luck in future endeavours, and would like to thank our supporters and our region of Europe for its impeccable support, vote, and assistance — however strong or muted it may be. Supporters, we are honoured by your assistance in repealing this flawed piece of legislation; and opponents, we would like to commemorate a battle well fought.

After long consideration, we are persuaded that a replacement is not necessary. The Delegation of The Democratic Empire has reviewed, at the recommendation of our colleagues from Christian Democrats, who also represent the region of Catholic, the intricacies of the Charter of Civil Rights. Inside the COCR, there exist provisions which detail the mandate of the World Assembly towards reasonable guidelines for indigenous rights.

Most importantly, the COCR states: All inhabitants of member states are equal in status in law and under its actions, and have the right to equal treatment and protection by the nation they inhabit or in which they are currently present. Furthermore, the equal treatment clause of the COCR, which states: All inhabitants of member states have the right not to be ... discriminated against on grounds ... race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background ... religion or belief system, ... or any other arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation which may be used for the purposes of discrimination, except for compelling practical purposes. This means that the rights of indigenous peoples are already protected to the same degree as the rights of the dominant peoples under international law.

Because the rights of the indigenous are protected to the same degree as the rights of the dominant in the Charter of Civil Rights, there is no manifest need for another resolution on this topic, as the indigenous peoples already have the same rights as the dominant peoples. In fact, this delegation believes that any attempt for such a resolution would be duplication or contradiction of the Charter of Civil Rights, and hence, illegal. We would like to thank the delegation from Christian Democrats for their convincing argument.

The Democratic Empire remains in favour of resolutions which would assist persons who are as of yet unprotected by World Assembly legislation. We, and I hope, all of you, wish to better the lives of people everywhere — let us continue on that grand project from today and this day forwards.

Yours sincerely,