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Antarcteca
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Postby Antarcteca » Mon May 25, 2015 3:10 pm

You know what it's for.
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Antarctic Continent: New San Francisco, New California, Antara, Rhilea, Terre, Royale, West Sillia, East Sillia, Arkea, Trois Portes, Courte, Central Federal Territory
Birdmay-Aktosh Border Dispute - In Progress
Leader: Elector-Primo Phillip Dean IV
Currency: The Note
Allies: UMU and the United Council of Nations
Population: 645,700,040 Million
Military: 8.6 Million
Budget: 46.4% of GDP
GDP: $N 391 Million
Poorest 10%: $N 54,191
Avg. Per Person: $N 100,752
Richest 10%: $N 172,681[/b]

Having fought Antarteca twice before, we have developed a respect of the Grand Republic. There fore, we declare war on all enemy's of Antarteca

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Postby Alonir » Mon May 25, 2015 3:17 pm

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Postby The United States of Soviet Britain » Mon May 25, 2015 3:29 pm

Indeed. BTW, that wasn't kinetic bombardment New Wondour did since the "rods" had nuclear warheads on them and made craters 10 miles wide. Just thought I'd point that out and that I'm happy the WMD thing is over.
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Postby Gigaverse » Mon May 25, 2015 6:47 pm

OK. *takes in deep breath and continues* I shall start addressing the nonsensical posts that occurred after I went to sleep. Yes, even the retconned ones.
Antarcteca wrote:"Zu Verteidigen Oder Zu Sterben"

Nope. As someone who actually studies German (though basic), I feel offended. Verbs ending with "-en" already means "to <verb>" in English.
Antarcteca wrote:Antarctic Continent Army: 10.1 Million
African Continent Army: 2.3 Million
Latin American Army: 6.1 Million
European Army: 6.2 Million

Total: 24.7 Million
Active: 16 Million
Reserve: 8.7 Million

Oh, so you claim that all of the territory you conquered brought your numbers up so significantly from forced conscription and basically slave labor?

Apologies, but this is NOT how it works. Conquering countries is one thing. Taking slaves from these newly-conquered countries is another.

First, this enslavement heavily cripples morale.

Second, they wouldn't be well-trained - scratch that, they won't even have training.

Third, well sure, in case you bribed them, you still haven't explained to them what you've done to their family and friends - because realistically, not everyone are loners.

Fourth, you'd inherit all the crime problems in the world that the country you conquered had - drugs, alcohol, misdemeanors, everything; good luck dealing with all of that at once.

Fifth, your bringing their military down so quickly and oppressing their people and forcing them to convert to Catholicism would IMMEDIATELY result in nationwide rebellions that would result in more deaths than not - after which point, you slave-recruiting pool would be so drastically small it'd become hard to maintain the economy of the occupied region.

Sixth, do take into account that you've just occupied their nation and shot almost everyone they knew and the fact that propaganda is not an effective pieces of magical spells that mind-controls people to join your side as willful slaves (especially since you didn't even bother write down those propaganda pieces). Yeah, you also have better economic opportunity, which you've proven time and time again that it's only for white Germanic people - would that persuade a bunch of people to work as slaves for you? And don't even think about a "speschial schecrett devische zhat conwerts pplz zu yuor side" (aka mind-controllers), because that will successfully run the patience of everyone here out, resulting in their leaving the RP.
Antarcteca wrote:It seemed that their intelligence did not tell them that only 10 Nazis were stationed in Japan and they were in utmost secrecy hiding.

This is ridiculous right here. We'll just assume that the JSDF was actually stupid enough to not take countermeasures and let a global menace destroy their nation, and we'll pick up from there.

For all the love in the world, there's no need for intelligence. Aerial observation alone would give us plenty of detail of the Nazis' status in Asia - and if it ain't get shot down for a long period of time, then there are no Nazis. We simply assumed that you'd at least be wise enough to station an army or two to keep these zones in line, and, given how your nation has always decried Japan for whatever it does, that you'd set up concentration camps. But then you claim you have only 10 men, which leads us to the next big thing.

10 men, no matter how secretly they're hiding, cannot run a nation. If so, next time, please leave that part blank. You coloring them blue is as ludicrous a claim as a student from school walking into another and declare himself Principle of the latter. Especially since they're spies, they can't be good with everything.
Antarcteca wrote:hundreds of mines to kill off the Alonirians

Entertain me with how hundreds of landmines can destroy three armies numbering in the thousands with heavy artillery and stealth fighters/bombers.
Antarcteca wrote:Hokkiado

Hokkaido. Use vocab-check next time.
New Wondour wrote:A satellite in the atmosphere moved into position. The rod was loaded and then deployed. A total of 8 rods were launched. All of them landed in different areas in Japan, utterly destroying anything around the blast radius. It created a huge 10 mile wide crater and a lot of radiation was deployed because of the tip beign outfitted with a nuclear weapon. The destruction almost felt unreal, millions if people died, together with soldiers and the destruction of important military hardware. Nobody knew who had perpetrated the attack.

A KIngdom that, until now, has remained neutral, has kinetic bombardment. I'm just mildly surprised that you wouldn't think everyone around here would be able to have ten times that number each, waiting to drop on your homeland.

Yes, I'll skip the part where you claim "millions of people died, together with soldiers and the destruction of important military hardware" and get to the main point: have you not noticed until now that the Allies have ASAT Missiles? Satellites move on a predictable orbit, and given that your weapons are outfitted with nuclear tips, wouldn't that get the Allies' attention?

In other words, before that kinetic bombardment could destroy anything, the satellite would have long since joined its fellow orbital scrap heaps. And I can guarantee that the Allies would have enough ASAT to spare to return the favor by shutting down your civilian and military electronics.

... Along with many other discrepancies that I simply don't have the time to list. Make of that what you will.

If you start a World War in a modern setting, expect consequences. In this case, if you sats are downed, so are most of your civilian and military electronics (including your missile launching and guiding systems) - I'd only afford the exception for your leader's palace.

Look, I know you want to RP, but you have to learn to stop godmodding and retconning.

EDIT: I posted with the wrong account, sorry about that; but I don't have the time to move it at the moment. This is Democratic Chuguria btw.
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Antarcteca
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Postby Antarcteca » Mon May 25, 2015 8:37 pm

Gigaverse wrote:OK. *takes in deep breath and continues* I shall start addressing the nonsensical posts that occurred after I went to sleep. Yes, even the retconned ones.
Antarcteca wrote:"Zu Verteidigen Oder Zu Sterben"

Nope. As someone who actually studies German (though basic), I feel offended. Verbs ending with "-en" already means "to <verb>" in English.
Antarcteca wrote:Antarctic Continent Army: 10.1 Million
African Continent Army: 2.3 Million
Latin American Army: 6.1 Million
European Army: 6.2 Million

Total: 24.7 Million
Active: 16 Million
Reserve: 8.7 Million

Oh, so you claim that all of the territory you conquered brought your numbers up so significantly from forced conscription and basically slave labor?

Apologies, but this is NOT how it works. Conquering countries is one thing. Taking slaves from these newly-conquered countries is another.

First, this enslavement heavily cripples morale.

Second, they wouldn't be well-trained - scratch that, they won't even have training.

Third, well sure, in case you bribed them, you still haven't explained to them what you've done to their family and friends - because realistically, not everyone are loners.

Fourth, you'd inherit all the crime problems in the world that the country you conquered had - drugs, alcohol, misdemeanors, everything; good luck dealing with all of that at once.

Fifth, your bringing their military down so quickly and oppressing their people and forcing them to convert to Catholicism would IMMEDIATELY result in nationwide rebellions that would result in more deaths than not - after which point, you slave-recruiting pool would be so drastically small it'd become hard to maintain the economy of the occupied region.

Sixth, do take into account that you've just occupied their nation and shot almost everyone they knew and the fact that propaganda is not an effective pieces of magical spells that mind-controls people to join your side as willful slaves (especially since you didn't even bother write down those propaganda pieces). Yeah, you also have better economic opportunity, which you've proven time and time again that it's only for white Germanic people - would that persuade a bunch of people to work as slaves for you? And don't even think about a "speschial schecrett devische zhat conwerts pplz zu yuor side" (aka mind-controllers), because that will successfully run the patience of everyone here out, resulting in their leaving the RP.
Antarcteca wrote:It seemed that their intelligence did not tell them that only 10 Nazis were stationed in Japan and they were in utmost secrecy hiding.

This is ridiculous right here. We'll just assume that the JSDF was actually stupid enough to not take countermeasures and let a global menace destroy their nation, and we'll pick up from there.

For all the love in the world, there's no need for intelligence. Aerial observation alone would give us plenty of detail of the Nazis' status in Asia - and if it ain't get shot down for a long period of time, then there are no Nazis. We simply assumed that you'd at least be wise enough to station an army or two to keep these zones in line, and, given how your nation has always decried Japan for whatever it does, that you'd set up concentration camps. But then you claim you have only 10 men, which leads us to the next big thing.

10 men, no matter how secretly they're hiding, cannot run a nation. If so, next time, please leave that part blank. You coloring them blue is as ludicrous a claim as a student from school walking into another and declare himself Principle of the latter. Especially since they're spies, they can't be good with everything.
Antarcteca wrote:hundreds of mines to kill off the Alonirians

Entertain me with how hundreds of landmines can destroy three armies numbering in the thousands with heavy artillery and stealth fighters/bombers.
Antarcteca wrote:Hokkiado

Hokkaido. Use vocab-check next time.
New Wondour wrote:A satellite in the atmosphere moved into position. The rod was loaded and then deployed. A total of 8 rods were launched. All of them landed in different areas in Japan, utterly destroying anything around the blast radius. It created a huge 10 mile wide crater and a lot of radiation was deployed because of the tip beign outfitted with a nuclear weapon. The destruction almost felt unreal, millions if people died, together with soldiers and the destruction of important military hardware. Nobody knew who had perpetrated the attack.

A KIngdom that, until now, has remained neutral, has kinetic bombardment. I'm just mildly surprised that you wouldn't think everyone around here would be able to have ten times that number each, waiting to drop on your homeland.

Yes, I'll skip the part where you claim "millions of people died, together with soldiers and the destruction of important military hardware" and get to the main point: have you not noticed until now that the Allies have ASAT Missiles? Satellites move on a predictable orbit, and given that your weapons are outfitted with nuclear tips, wouldn't that get the Allies' attention?

In other words, before that kinetic bombardment could destroy anything, the satellite would have long since joined its fellow orbital scrap heaps. And I can guarantee that the Allies would have enough ASAT to spare to return the favor by shutting down your civilian and military electronics.

... Along with many other discrepancies that I simply don't have the time to list. Make of that what you will.

If you start a World War in a modern setting, expect consequences. In this case, if you sats are downed, so are most of your civilian and military electronics (including your missile launching and guiding systems) - I'd only afford the exception for your leader's palace.

Look, I know you want to RP, but you have to learn to stop godmodding and retconning.

EDIT: I posted with the wrong account, sorry about that; but I don't have the time to move it at the moment. This is Democratic Chuguria btw.


Thanks for the constructive criticism.
- Large Military - Nationalist Socialist Party - Large Economy -
Map
Link of The Day
Antarctic Continent: New San Francisco, New California, Antara, Rhilea, Terre, Royale, West Sillia, East Sillia, Arkea, Trois Portes, Courte, Central Federal Territory
Birdmay-Aktosh Border Dispute - In Progress
Leader: Elector-Primo Phillip Dean IV
Currency: The Note
Allies: UMU and the United Council of Nations
Population: 645,700,040 Million
Military: 8.6 Million
Budget: 46.4% of GDP
GDP: $N 391 Million
Poorest 10%: $N 54,191
Avg. Per Person: $N 100,752
Richest 10%: $N 172,681[/b]

Having fought Antarteca twice before, we have developed a respect of the Grand Republic. There fore, we declare war on all enemy's of Antarteca

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Gigaverse
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Postby Gigaverse » Mon May 25, 2015 8:47 pm

Antarcteca wrote:-snip-

No problem. :D
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Student in linguistics ???. On-and-off writer.
MAKE CAKE NOT stupidshiticanmakefunof.
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Postby Democratic Chuguria » Tue May 26, 2015 2:46 am

Say, how's the status of Japan. Are we allowed to take it over now.
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Postby Antarcteca » Tue May 26, 2015 8:33 pm

Democratic Chuguria wrote:Say, how's the status of Japan. Are we allowed to take it over now.


It's currently under siege and is a wasteland along with Korea.
- Large Military - Nationalist Socialist Party - Large Economy -
Map
Link of The Day
Antarctic Continent: New San Francisco, New California, Antara, Rhilea, Terre, Royale, West Sillia, East Sillia, Arkea, Trois Portes, Courte, Central Federal Territory
Birdmay-Aktosh Border Dispute - In Progress
Leader: Elector-Primo Phillip Dean IV
Currency: The Note
Allies: UMU and the United Council of Nations
Population: 645,700,040 Million
Military: 8.6 Million
Budget: 46.4% of GDP
GDP: $N 391 Million
Poorest 10%: $N 54,191
Avg. Per Person: $N 100,752
Richest 10%: $N 172,681[/b]

Having fought Antarteca twice before, we have developed a respect of the Grand Republic. There fore, we declare war on all enemy's of Antarteca

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The Underground Movement Union
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Tue May 26, 2015 9:05 pm

*prepares turning point behind Antarctica's back*

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Postby Democratic Chuguria » Wed May 27, 2015 6:01 am

Antarcteca wrote:
Democratic Chuguria wrote:Say, how's the status of Japan. Are we allowed to take it over now.


It's currently under siege and is a wasteland along with Korea.

*sighs*

Then we're gonna have a LOOOOOOOT of things to talk about when this RP is over.
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In case it took you too long to notice, this nation is a satirical parodystopia.
A strange fusion of the world's most oppressive regimes with Chinese, American and Indian cultural values. Insert Islam.
Our culture. Pretty friggin' amazin', isn't it?
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Wed May 27, 2015 4:00 pm

*blinks at Antarcteca's post*


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