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Postby Protestant England and Germany » Tue May 19, 2015 7:16 am

Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why. (For the record, I am a US Military Child who was raised overseas.) People seem to think that America is Satan incarnate and when I ask them why they always give bullshit excuses like: "Because you are a den of money whores who think that they can take what ever they want and declare war on sovereign nations for no reason what so ever" (rexi1414 on YouTube). I find it hard to believe all of that due to when I was living in Kenya, I saw people in a line around the block just to get a visa to work there. Also, each time I have brought up peace keeping efforts that the US has taken part in, it seems that everyone else wants to reference Vietnam and Cuba as reasons why the US is a destabilizing factor. So can someone explain to me why the world hates America?
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Postby Imperial New Vegas » Tue May 19, 2015 7:19 am

People hate the superpower. When some other contry takes America's role, they too will be the center of hate.
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Postby Avaerilon » Tue May 19, 2015 7:22 am

If you have a country, someone somewhere is going to hate it. If you're seen as stepping on toes and pushing your own interests with gusto, more people are going to hate that country. Plus, tastes and preferences change. Furthermore, just because significant numbers of loud people are criticising one country, it doesn't mean everyone hates it. Also, criticising does not necessarily entail hate.
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Postby Sir Puggington » Tue May 19, 2015 7:28 am

People are just jealous of people living in America. They believe that America is a beautiful and safe nation. We're not supposed to take everything so literally. America is a world superpower, so yea, we are pretty big. Even though we have a large national debt, we can still provide goods and services to other countries. We help almost everyone. From the Nepalese earthquake to fighting ISIS. Propaganda is a huge misconception in today's society. "America? Yea, fat people, McDonalds, military...". So? We say things about other nations. For example, propaganda states that Asians are always smart, Germans are always Nazis. These opinions are mostly formed from the popularity (the Nazi Germans come from what was one of the largest things Germany ever did). Just let it go. It's okay if people say stuff against America. Send all the hate! We don't care. We know everything said against one another is usually from opposing perspectives and propaganda. So it's okay. Nothing bad.
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Protestant England and Germany wrote:Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why. (For the record, I am a US Military Child who was raised overseas.) People seem to think that America is Satan incarnate and when I ask them why they always give bullshit excuses like: "Because you are a den of money whores who think that they can take what ever they want and declare war on sovereign nations for no reason what so ever" (rexi1414 on YouTube). I find it hard to believe all of that due to when I was living in Kenya, I saw people in a line around the block just to get a visa to work there. Also, each time I have brought up peace keeping efforts that the US has taken part in, it seems that everyone else wants to reference Vietnam and Cuba as reasons why the US is a destabilizing factor. So can someone explain to me why the world hates America?


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Postby Saiwania » Tue May 19, 2015 7:31 am

The more people from overseas hate the US, the more satisfied I feel as an American. Most Americans don't have to go overseas for anything, so the US is more or less safe to snub the entire world except for the wealthy or militarily powerful countries that actually matter.
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Postby Claven » Tue May 19, 2015 7:32 am

Saiwania wrote:The more people from overseas hate the US, the more satisfied I feel as an American. Most Americans don't have to go overseas for anything, so the US is more or less safe to snub the entire world except for the wealthy or militarily powerful countries that actually matter.


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Postby Roderia » Tue May 19, 2015 7:32 am

Sir Puggington wrote:People are just jealous of people living in America. They believe that America is a beautiful and safe nation. We're not supposed to take everything so literally. America is a world superpower, so yea, we are pretty big. Even though we have a large national debt, we can still provide goods and services to other countries. We help almost everyone. From the Nepalese earthquake to fighting ISIS. Propaganda is a huge misconception in today's society. "America? Yea, fat people, McDonalds, military...". So? We say things about other nations. For example, propaganda states that Asians are always smart, Germans are always Nazis. These opinions are mostly formed from the popularity (the Nazi Germans come from what was one of the largest things Germany ever did). Just let it go. It's okay if people say stuff against America. Send all the hate! We don't care. We know everything said against one another is usually from opposing perspectives and propaganda. So it's okay. Nothing bad.

Mate, there is nothing America has that an Australian man could feel jealous for. Nothing. I don't hate America, I hate this perception that people like you have that America is some idyllic nation.
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Postby Protestant England and Germany » Tue May 19, 2015 7:38 am

Roderia wrote:
Sir Puggington wrote:People are just jealous of people living in America. They believe that America is a beautiful and safe nation. We're not supposed to take everything so literally. America is a world superpower, so yea, we are pretty big. Even though we have a large national debt, we can still provide goods and services to other countries. We help almost everyone. From the Nepalese earthquake to fighting ISIS. Propaganda is a huge misconception in today's society. "America? Yea, fat people, McDonalds, military...". So? We say things about other nations. For example, propaganda states that Asians are always smart, Germans are always Nazis. These opinions are mostly formed from the popularity (the Nazi Germans come from what was one of the largest things Germany ever did). Just let it go. It's okay if people say stuff against America. Send all the hate! We don't care. We know everything said against one another is usually from opposing perspectives and propaganda. So it's okay. Nothing bad.

Mate, there is nothing America has that an Australian man could feel jealous for. Nothing. I don't hate America, I hate this perception that people like you have that America is some idyllic nation.


Don't get me wrong, America is not an idyllic nation. BUT, I do believe that America is ONE of the greatest countries in the world even if we don't act like.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue May 19, 2015 7:39 am

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Protestant England and Germany wrote:
Roderia wrote:Mate, there is nothing America has that an Australian man could feel jealous for. Nothing. I don't hate America, I hate this perception that people like you have that America is some idyllic nation.


Don't get me wrong, America is not an idyllic nation. BUT, I do believe that America is ONE of the greatest countries in the world even if we don't act like.


Don't you currently have government backed armed thugs roaming the streets murdering minorities and being protected by the legal system?

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Postby Roderia » Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Protestant England and Germany wrote:
Roderia wrote:Mate, there is nothing America has that an Australian man could feel jealous for. Nothing. I don't hate America, I hate this perception that people like you have that America is some idyllic nation.


Don't get me wrong, America is not an idyllic nation. BUT, I do believe that America is ONE of the greatest countries in the world even if we don't act like.

America is a nation that is debatably acceptable. There are many nations worse than it, like... all of the ones in Africa, but if I had to choose to move to another country, I'd have to be pretty desperate to go America.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue May 19, 2015 7:41 am

Protestant England and Germany wrote:Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why.


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Postby Roderia » Tue May 19, 2015 7:43 am

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Protestant England and Germany wrote:Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why.


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No, don't you know anything? America frees nations, they don't help oppress them, silly.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 19, 2015 7:51 am

Protestant England and Germany wrote:Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why. (For the record, I am a US Military Child who was raised overseas.) People seem to think that America is Satan incarnate and when I ask them why they always give bullshit excuses like: "Because you are a den of money whores who think that they can take what ever they want and declare war on sovereign nations for no reason what so ever" (rexi1414 on YouTube). I find it hard to believe all of that due to when I was living in Kenya, I saw people in a line around the block just to get a visa to work there. Also, each time I have brought up peace keeping efforts that the US has taken part in, it seems that everyone else wants to reference Vietnam and Cuba as reasons why the US is a destabilizing factor. So can someone explain to me why the world hates America?


but seriously, US foreign policy has been really bad. like. goddamn.

let's start with vietnam. ho chi minh loved america and its freedoms, until they sided with france who were literally just fighting to keep their colony. then south vietnam, also a dictatorship, with US help backed out of scheduled elections and reunification efforts because they knew they would lose them. what a goddamn shitshow.

remember the khmer rouge? the cambodian genocide? yeah, they attacked vietnam as well. massacred entire villages. utter bastards. vietnam invaded to put an end to this shit and the US and UK... help fund and train the khmer rouge? what?

you might not have heard of the genocide in east timor. an honest to god example of a dictator invading another country and massacring the people in the 20th century. this might be related to the fact he was our ally and the UK and US knowingly gave him weapons with which to commit genocide. there was no "here have some weapons oops who could have seen that coming". we knew he was a genocidal dictator and we forked them over.

well, what about saddam right? sure iraq was a shit show, but at least we took down saddam right? even if iraq is even more unstable, we got rid of a brutal dictator, right? he gassed the kurds. uh... wait... where did he get the gas from in the first place? us? well, fuck. yeah, saddam used to be our ally and we gave him gas and encouraged him to attack iran with it. when he got executed iran had a big big laugh over it.

iran? didn't they use to be a pretty half-decent democracy? yeah, about that. they committed the cardinal sin that is messing with oil, so we overthrew them and set up our own puppet dictator. we were even ready to help him build nuclear power plants. of course, the people got sick of shit and had a revolution... then the islamists jumped in near the end and fucked it up for everyone, leading to a marked decrease in our enthusiasm for iranian nuclear power.

have you heard of the military junta in greece? ripped out peoples fingernails and raped them with pipes for daring to have leaflets advocating democracy? you're already far enough into this post to know who their backers were.

south america in general is a huge list of this as well. look up operation condor. we overthrew democracy in chile and replaced with a regime that raped people with dogs and kidnapped people's children and all people can say in defence of it is "well they deserved it!" and "b-b-but allende was bad as well and sometimes you have to destroy democracy to protect democracy even though the only KGB files we have relating to allende are about how he was very resistant to using force against political enemies"

in fact, even today, the united states government has pretty much anally raped prisoners because the convicted sex offender they hired to guard them thought it would be a great idea. there is at least one case of us kidnapping a mentally disabled man and recording his crying to send to his family for leverage.

this is just the tip of the iceberg. i omitted things like the banana wars. (smedley butler was one of the most decorated U.S. marines of all time and definitely the most in his lifetime, and he thought US foreign policy was for the most part a big pile of shit) this is what rexi1414 on youtube was talking about. i don't hate america, for that in my opinion is just a silly strawman, but i want to help you understand where this is coming from.

e: and of course, U.S. troops who wanted to be home for christmas in 1945 were used to fight the chinese along with the rearmed japanese prisoners they were supposed to be disarming. once i start i can't stop. do you remember when south korea was the poorer korea and also a brutal dictatorship? it worked out well now but we don't actually give much of a shit about democracy really.
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Postby Autrael » Tue May 19, 2015 7:51 am

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Postby Imperial New Vegas » Tue May 19, 2015 7:54 am

But honestly..

Because you are a den of money whores who think that they can take what ever they want


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Postby Kilobugya » Tue May 19, 2015 8:01 am

Because USA has a very aggressive foreign policy, and the power to carry it out. So it is, de facto, involved in most crimes and aggression since the end of WW2. You know, things like outing elected Allende to instore the dictator Pinochet, or supporting the terrorists contras against the elected government of Nicaragua, or invading Afghanistan and Irak and spreading chaos to the whole region, or imposing a cruel blockade on the tiny island of Cuba for half a century.

USA is not inherently the most evil place. It's quite evil, being mostly a plutocracy ruled by big corporations, but it's not the worst out there - North Korea or fundamentalist regimes (like in Saudi Arabia or Iran) are much more "inherently evil". But USA is both aggressive and powerful, while Saudi or Iran are relatively weak, which means it's responsible of much more tragedy.

Of course all that applies to the government of USA, not to the citizen of USA. They are also victims of the plutocratic corporate rule, being denied universal rights like universal healthcare or education, for many of them forced to work two jobs to pay bills, being thrown out of their houses because of bad gambling by the banks, ...
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 19, 2015 8:04 am

Kilobugya wrote:Because USA has a very aggressive foreign policy, and the power to carry it out. So it is, de facto, involved in most crimes and aggression since the end of WW2. You know, things like outing elected Allende to instore the dictator Pinochet, or supporting the terrorists contras against the elected government of Nicaragua, or invading Afghanistan and Irak and spreading chaos to the whole region, or imposing a cruel blockade on the tiny island of Cuba for half a century.

USA is not inherently the most evil place. It's quite evil, being mostly a plutocracy ruled by big corporations, but it's not the worst out there - North Korea or fundamentalist regimes (like in Saudi Arabia or Iran) are much more "inherently evil". But USA is both aggressive and powerful, while Saudi or Iran are relatively weak, which means it's responsible of much more tragedy.

Of course all that applies to the government of USA, not to the citizen of USA. They are also victims of the plutocratic corporate rule, being denied universal rights like universal healthcare or education, for many of them forced to work two jobs to pay bills, being thrown out of their houses because of bad gambling by the banks, ...


now i just feel embarrassed. how could i forget mention the nun raping death squads we said were the moral equivalent of the founding fathers?
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Postby St Salvador » Tue May 19, 2015 8:09 am

People always hate the strongest guy first it was rome then the mongols Napoleon Russia germany germany again Russia in Soviet form Now were the strongest but its funny because we like to point at china as a stronger power and so does japan and taiwan because the strongest power always has enemies he thinks are better than him.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 19, 2015 8:22 am

Kilobugya wrote:Because USA has a very aggressive foreign policy, and the power to carry it out. So it is, de facto, involved in most crimes and aggression since the end of WW2. You know, things like outing elected Allende to instore the dictator Pinochet, or supporting the terrorists contras against the elected government of Nicaragua, or invading Afghanistan and Irak and spreading chaos to the whole region, or imposing a cruel blockade on the tiny island of Cuba for half a century.

USA is not inherently the most evil place. It's quite evil, being mostly a plutocracy ruled by big corporations, but it's not the worst out there - North Korea or fundamentalist regimes (like in Saudi Arabia or Iran) are much more "inherently evil". But USA is both aggressive and powerful, while Saudi or Iran are relatively weak, which means it's responsible of much more tragedy.

Of course all that applies to the government of USA, not to the citizen of USA. They are also victims of the plutocratic corporate rule, being denied universal rights like universal healthcare or education, for many of them forced to work two jobs to pay bills, being thrown out of their houses because of bad gambling by the banks, ...

How was the invasion of Afghanistan a crime?

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Postby Chestaan » Tue May 19, 2015 8:28 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Protestant England and Germany wrote:Everywhere I look, it seems that every one is bashing America and I can't understand why. (For the record, I am a US Military Child who was raised overseas.) People seem to think that America is Satan incarnate and when I ask them why they always give bullshit excuses like: "Because you are a den of money whores who think that they can take what ever they want and declare war on sovereign nations for no reason what so ever" (rexi1414 on YouTube). I find it hard to believe all of that due to when I was living in Kenya, I saw people in a line around the block just to get a visa to work there. Also, each time I have brought up peace keeping efforts that the US has taken part in, it seems that everyone else wants to reference Vietnam and Cuba as reasons why the US is a destabilizing factor. So can someone explain to me why the world hates America?


but seriously, US foreign policy has been really bad. like. goddamn.

let's start with vietnam. ho chi minh loved america and its freedoms, until they sided with france who were literally just fighting to keep their colony. then south vietnam, also a dictatorship, with US help backed out of scheduled elections and reunification efforts because they knew they would lose them. what a goddamn shitshow.

remember the khmer rouge? the cambodian genocide? yeah, they attacked vietnam as well. massacred entire villages. utter bastards. vietnam invaded to put an end to this shit and the US and UK... help fund and train the khmer rouge? what?

you might not have heard of the genocide in east timor. an honest to god example of a dictator invading another country and massacring the people in the 20th century. this might be related to the fact he was our ally and the UK and US knowingly gave him weapons with which to commit genocide. there was no "here have some weapons oops who could have seen that coming". we knew he was a genocidal dictator and we forked them over.

well, what about saddam right? sure iraq was a shit show, but at least we took down saddam right? even if iraq is even more unstable, we got rid of a brutal dictator, right? he gassed the kurds. uh... wait... where did he get the gas from in the first place? us? well, fuck. yeah, saddam used to be our ally and we gave him gas and encouraged him to attack iran with it. when he got executed iran had a big big laugh over it.

iran? didn't they use to be a pretty half-decent democracy? yeah, about that. they committed the cardinal sin that is messing with oil, so we overthrew them and set up our own puppet dictator. we were even ready to help him build nuclear power plants. of course, the people got sick of shit and had a revolution... then the islamists jumped in near the end and fucked it up for everyone, leading to a marked decrease in our enthusiasm for iranian nuclear power.

have you heard of the military junta in greece? ripped out peoples fingernails and raped them with pipes for daring to have leaflets advocating democracy? you're already far enough into this post to know who their backers were.

south america in general is a huge list of this as well. look up operation condor. we overthrew democracy in chile and replaced with a regime that raped people with dogs and kidnapped people's children and all people can say in defence of it is "well they deserved it!" and "b-b-but allende was bad as well and sometimes you have to destroy democracy to protect democracy even though the only KGB files we have relating to allende are about how he was very resistant to using force against political enemies"

in fact, even today, the united states government has pretty much anally raped prisoners because the convicted sex offender they hired to guard them thought it would be a great idea. there is at least one case of us kidnapping a mentally disabled man and recording his crying to send to his family for leverage.

this is just the tip of the iceberg. i omitted things like the banana wars. (smedley butler was one of the most decorated U.S. marines of all time and definitely the most in his lifetime, and he thought US foreign policy was for the most part a big pile of shit) this is what rexi1414 on youtube was talking about. i don't hate america, for that in my opinion is just a silly strawman, but i want to help you understand where this is coming from.

e: and of course, U.S. troops who wanted to be home for christmas in 1945 were used to fight the chinese along with the rearmed japanese prisoners they were supposed to be disarming. once i start i can't stop. do you remember when south korea was the poorer korea and also a brutal dictatorship? it worked out well now but we don't actually give much of a shit about democracy really.


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Postby Kilobugya » Tue May 19, 2015 8:33 am

Napkiraly wrote:How was the invasion of Afghanistan a crime?


First, you can't declare a war and invade a country just because there is one guy you suppose did a crime against you, and the other country doesn't want to extradict him without conditions, which was the official reason. Or Cuba should be right to invade the USA to get hands on Luis Posada Carriles.

Then, because the US war in Afghanistan killed around 18 000-20 000 civilian (direct death due to war, not counting all the indirect death due to collapsing infrastructure). That's like 6 times 9/11. When the remedy is 6 times worse then the disease...

And finally, because it's the US who initially trained and armed Bin Laden and the Taliban.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 19, 2015 9:13 am

Gee, why on earth would people resent having their family killed, their lives and country ruined? I just can't figure it out. After all, Murica is freedom.

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue May 19, 2015 9:18 am

US foreign policy has had a horrendous effect upon most of the developing world. We've backed countless dictators who have committed atrocities against their own people. We've funded and armed radical groups such as the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and the Contras in Nicaragua. We've pushed for global organizations such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund to spearhead neoliberalism and demand that developing nations dismantle their public infrastructure in favor of mass privatization, even going so far as to privatize necessities of life such as water, to disastrous effects. We supported apartheid era South Africa, Saddam Hussein when knowledge of his ethnic cleansing of Kurds was well known, and continue to back Israel and often defend their apartheid practices against the Palestinians. We have supported and in many cases even initiated coups against democratic governments. We did so in Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Guatemala, and Brazil. We have policies of extensive bombing raids and drone strikes that have been responsible for the deaths of civilians in nations we purport to be aiding. We hold foreign nationals indefinitely without trial and torture them. We spy on our closest allies and our own citizens. We established ourselves as the standard for democracy at the international stage at a time when we still had segregation, something that to this day we haven't fully removed. Despite having the most powerful economy in the world, we have the world's highest incarceration rate. We hold the highest poverty rates of any post-industrial society in the world. If you read about world history and the actions of the US in the past and present, it is no wonder why we are resented, and even hated, by many people around the world.
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