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Ireland's Marriage Equality Referendum - Yes 62%, No 38%

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Do you approve of the proposal to amend the Constitution contained in the undermentioned Bill?

Yes
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No
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Ireland's Marriage Equality Referendum - Yes 62%, No 38%

Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2015 7:41 am

As I have mentioned previously, on the 22nd of May, one week from today, the people of Ireland will be voting on two amendments to our constitution: one on lowering the age at which one can run for president, and one on marriage equality. This thread, unlike the last time, really is about marriage equality. I promise. Cross my heart and hope to fly, stick a cupcake in my eye.

The 34th Amendment, if passed, will add the following clause the Article 41 of the Constitution of Ireland.
Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex.

Currently Article 41 reads as follows:
1 1° The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.
2° The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State.

2 1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

3 1° The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack.
2° A Court designated by law may grant a dissolution of marriage where, but only where, it is satisfied that –
i at the date of the institution of the proceedings, the spouses have lived apart from one another for a period of, or periods amounting to, at least four years during the previous five years,
ii there is no reasonable prospect of a reconciliation between the spouses,
iii such provision as the Court considers proper having regard to the circumstances exists or will be made for the spouses, any children of either or both of them and any other person prescribed by law, and
iv any further conditions prescribed by law are complied with.
3° No person whose marriage has been dissolved under the civil law of any other State but is a subsisting valid marriage under the law for the time being in force within the jurisdiction of the Government and Parliament established by this Constitution shall be capable of contracting a valid marriage within that jurisdiction during the lifetime of the other party to the marriage so dissolved.

None of this will be changed by the 34th Amendment, the new text will just be added in at the end.

I will also briefly note that English is the second official language of Ireland, and as such the Irish language version of the Constitution takes priority when there is a difference between the two. An early draft of the proposed Irish text was accidentally phrased in such a way that it would have prohibited opposite sex marriage. Whoops.

There's a lot more relevant information available from the Referendum Commission, an independent body that(duh) provides impartial information about referenda, here, including court decisions about marriage, the rules on marriage, information about civil partnerships, changes proposed by the government if Yes wins, but which aren't actually part of the vote, and laws around children and adoption.

My reputation as a godless, baby-eating, liberal Snuggle Justice Warrior may precede me, but nonetheless I'll state for the record that I'll be voting Yes. Gay people in Ireland are already living together as families. They are already raising children together. Those families deserve the same recognition, treatment and protection as families started by straight couples. I can see no possible legitimate reason why they should receive anything less than equality.

Dig out your Paddy's Day finest and your plastic passports, imagine yourself as Irish, and let us know how you'd vote, ye of NSG.

ETA: Title edited to reflect results.
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Postby Steamtopia » Fri May 15, 2015 7:48 am

Please tell me all the polls indicate Ireland will vote in favour of marriage equality.
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Postby Laerod » Fri May 15, 2015 7:49 am

Can't vote for it, but I would drink to it.

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Postby Camelza » Fri May 15, 2015 7:52 am

I'm all for it, Ireland could do with some more progressive laws.
Cheers to the ones who proposed it, whomever they are.

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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri May 15, 2015 7:55 am

This is good.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 15, 2015 7:59 am

Come on, Ireland! Show them how it's done! :3
Steamtopia wrote:Please tell me all the polls indicate Ireland will vote in favour of marriage equality.

They do. The only thing that worries me is the turnout. Many people who are passively pro-LGBT could end up just not voting.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2015 7:59 am

Steamtopia wrote:Please tell me all the polls indicate Ireland will vote in favour of marriage equality.

I believe they do, though Google does not appear inclined to actually give up the polls themselves, just news stories briefly mentioning them. The expectation seems to be that the actual vote will be closer than the mysterious opinion polls suggest.
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Postby Purger » Fri May 15, 2015 8:06 am

How can English be second language when most people in Ireland speak english?

Also the Irish will certainly vote according to common sense. Interestingly it is the only country in Europe with population growth without immigration influx so it is an indication how the Irish people will vote.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2015 8:06 am

Liriena wrote:Come on, Ireland! Show them how it's done! :3
Steamtopia wrote:Please tell me all the polls indicate Ireland will vote in favour of marriage equality.

They do. The only thing that worries me is the turnout. Many people who are passively pro-LGBT could end up just not voting.

Some friends of mine said the same thing a few weeks ago, that some people, possibly a lot of people, will vaguely support marriage equality but not care enough to vote, or will think that a Yes victory is a foregone conclusion and not think it necessary to actually vote themselves.
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Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this; only bigoted DUP supporters would oppose this.
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Postby Imperia Babylonia » Fri May 15, 2015 8:07 am

Camelza wrote:I'm all for it, Ireland could do with some more progressive laws.
Cheers to the ones who proposed it, whomever they are.

Ireland is pretty progressive, you are aware right?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2015 8:09 am

Purger wrote:How can English be second language when most people in Ireland speak english?

Because our constitution says so. In two languages.

Also the Irish will certainly vote according to common sense. Interestingly it is the only country in Europe with population growth without immigration influx so it is an indication how the Irish people will vote.

And is common sense a Yes vote, or a No vote?


Imperia Babylonia wrote:Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this!

I'm pretty sure every political party supports this.
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Postby Steamtopia » Fri May 15, 2015 8:10 am

Imperia Babylonia wrote:Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this; only bigoted DUP supporters would oppose this.

Wrong country.
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Postby Purger » Fri May 15, 2015 8:14 am

Ifreann wrote:Becaus our constitution says so. In two languages.

May I ask do you speak Irish?


And is common sense a Yes vote, or a No vote?


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Postby Purger » Fri May 15, 2015 8:16 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Imperia Babylonia wrote:Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this; only bigoted DUP supporters would oppose this.

Wrong country.

Actually it is the same country only under different rule much like South and Northern Korea.

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Postby Gallade » Fri May 15, 2015 8:17 am

My constituency in South Tipp is embarrassingly mixed on the issue, might be a majority no vote on the marriage equality issue, here. Still, I'll be voting yes, of course.

I'll probably vote no on the presidential age one, mind. 21 is far too young.
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Purger wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Wrong country.

Actually it is the same country only under different rule much like South and Northern Korea.

No, they're two different countries. There's no such thing as the DUP in Ireland.
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Steamtopia wrote:
Purger wrote:Actually it is the same country only under different rule much like South and Northern Korea.

No, they're two different countries. There's no such thing as the DUP in Ireland.

They are two states but one country. There is just one Korean nation but two Korean states. The same goes for Ireland.

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Steamtopia wrote:
Imperia Babylonia wrote:Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this; only bigoted DUP supporters would oppose this.

Wrong country.

Correct country...?
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Purger wrote:Actually it is the same country only under different rule much like South and Northern Korea.

No, they're two different countries. There's no such thing as the DUP in Ireland.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 15, 2015 8:20 am

Purger wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Becaus our constitution says so. In two languages.

May I ask do you speak Irish?

Not really.


And is common sense a Yes vote, or a No vote?


...

Well? That is the topic of the thread, after all, it might be an idea to actually express an opinion.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri May 15, 2015 8:21 am

Imperia Babylonia wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Wrong country.

Correct country...?

Last time I checked the DUP was only active in Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland.


Anyway, good to see this at least getting on the board. Hopefully it passes.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri May 15, 2015 8:21 am

Imperia Babylonia wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:No, they're two different countries. There's no such thing as the DUP in Ireland.

Democratic Unionist Party


I didn't know they operated in RoI...

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Postby Steamtopia » Fri May 15, 2015 8:22 am

Purger wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:No, they're two different countries. There's no such thing as the DUP in Ireland.

They are two states but one country. There is just one Korean nation but two Korean states. The same goes for Ireland.

North Korea and South Korea are two different countries. So are Ireland & Northern Ireland.
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Postby Ainin » Fri May 15, 2015 8:22 am

Imperia Babylonia wrote:Once again, Sinn Fein being the best party for freedom in Ireland by supporting this; only bigoted DUP supporters would oppose this.

Wrong Ireland.
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