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GOP Ironically Denies Funds to Program Preventing Teen Birth

Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 9:49 pm

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/02 ... -colorado/

It's absolutely amazing that the Republicans would defund a program like this and put it in jeopardy, considering how much they rant and rave over teen births.

What do they think is going to happen? That teens are going to stop having sex if they shut this program down? What's actually going to happen is more abortions and more teen moms, two other things they hate.

Is it any wonder that five of the top six states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are red states?

The arguments against it are that it "subsidizes teens' sex lives" (wtf) and that IUDs are abortifacients (which is scientifically false, that's like saying the sky is green).

The Republicans have gone completely off the rails with this "NO FREE SHIT" nonsense. They are so viscerally against spending ANYTHING on certain services, such as sexual health, that they're completely willing to gut programs that actually lead to fewer single-parent families and fewer abortions. That party has become a parody of itself, but yet has completely hoodwinked half the country into believing that spending money on sensible programs is a "symptom of entitlement culture."

I certainly agree that welfare abuse exists and is a problem, but WTF is with defunding programs that actually work?
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed May 06, 2015 9:51 pm

Why would you expect any different from the Republicans?

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Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 9:52 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Why would you expect any different from the Republicans?


I don't, but the irony in this made it especially post-worthy.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 06, 2015 9:52 pm

This is completely unsurprising.

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Postby Fralinia » Wed May 06, 2015 9:55 pm

This just in, the GOP is still hard at work making America great again by meticulously hacking the government to confetti.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed May 06, 2015 9:56 pm

More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*
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Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 9:58 pm

Scomagia wrote:More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*


IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

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Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed May 06, 2015 10:00 pm

Scomagia wrote:More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*

I as going to say the exact same thing.

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Postby The Carlisle » Wed May 06, 2015 10:07 pm

Scomagia wrote:More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*

Republicans really should stop getting their domestic policy from Victoria 2
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Postby Naniyyolia » Wed May 06, 2015 10:14 pm

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed May 06, 2015 10:18 pm

Why should Republicans care about teen pregnancy? I mean, only poor families will be really disadvantaged by it, and the poor sluts should know to keep their legs closed.

It's just like the big money Santorum backer said, “back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees, and it wasn’t that costly.”
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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 06, 2015 10:29 pm

The Carlisle wrote:
Scomagia wrote:More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*

Republicans really should stop getting their domestic policy from Victoria 2

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed May 06, 2015 10:31 pm

Why does he want to fund IUDs instead of condoms?
For one thing, condoms would cover a lot more people and be a helluva lot more bang for the buck (heh, 'bang', get it?) if that's what they're after.

I shall also note that Colorado would actually have to be funding this before not doing so would qualify as 'defunding'. Colorado hasn't been funding this.
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Postby Sagredo » Wed May 06, 2015 10:33 pm

thinkprogress wrote:Making that type of birth control more affordable in Colorado has contributed to a staggering 40 percent drop in teen births over the past five years, eliciting praise from Gov. John Hickenlooper (D).


Not entirely staggering considering that teenage birth rates have fallen nationally.

Historical trends in U.S. teen childbearing are presented in this report for 1940 through 2013. As shown in Tables 1–2 and Figure 1, teen childbearing has been on a long-term downward trend ... Since 1991, the rate has fallen 57% and the decline has been continuous except for a 5% rise during 2005–2007. The pace of decline accelerated from 2007 forward, with the rate reaching 26.6 per 1,000 in 2013, a drop of 36% from 2007.


CDC Aug 2014 (pdf)

... by about 40%
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Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 10:42 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Why does he want to fund IUDs instead of condoms?
For one thing, condoms would cover a lot more people and be a helluva lot more bang for the buck (heh, 'bang', get it?) if that's what they're after.

I shall also note that Colorado would actually have to be funding this before not doing so would qualify as 'defunding'. Colorado hasn't been funding this.
This year, the private grant money for the Colorado Family Planning Initiative will run out, which is why Coram is seeking to keep the program operating with state funding.


Caught and fixed, thank you.

To answer your first question, IUDs have a much lower failure rate and you don't have to keep buying them.

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Postby Sagredo » Wed May 06, 2015 10:45 pm

Lumeau wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Why does he want to fund IUDs instead of condoms?
For one thing, condoms would cover a lot more people and be a helluva lot more bang for the buck (heh, 'bang', get it?) if that's what they're after.

I shall also note that Colorado would actually have to be funding this before not doing so would qualify as 'defunding'. Colorado hasn't been funding this.


Caught and fixed, thank you.

To answer your first question, IUDs have a much lower failure rate and you don't have to keep buying them.


Also it costs money to remove them. Is it cynical of me to think that might be a factor?
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Wed May 06, 2015 10:47 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Why should Republicans care about teen pregnancy? I mean, only poor families will be really disadvantaged by it, and the poor sluts should know to keep their legs closed.

It's just like the big money Santorum backer said, “back in my days, they used Bayer aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees, and it wasn’t that costly.”

Single parent families are supposedly responsible for the Baltimore riots and all those other criminal thugs running around the street.

Abortion is supposedly responsible for every natural disaster/act of god that's ever hit the US.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Wed May 06, 2015 10:49 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Why does he want to fund IUDs instead of condoms?

So females are also able to have control over their contraception.
Yes.

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Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 11:01 pm

Sagredo wrote:
Lumeau wrote:
Caught and fixed, thank you.

To answer your first question, IUDs have a much lower failure rate and you don't have to keep buying them.


Also it costs money to remove them. Is it cynical of me to think that might be a factor?


A one-time procedure after 12 years that is literally just pulling a piece of copper out of an orifice. I can't tell whether or not you're being sarcastic.
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Postby Arana » Wed May 06, 2015 11:06 pm

Isn't it obvious? If we get rid of teen pregnancy as an issue, Republicans won't be able to use it to attack things any more. That, and the idea of spending government money on helping the poor is repulsive to the GOP.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed May 06, 2015 11:08 pm

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Why does he want to fund IUDs instead of condoms?

So females are also able to have control over their contraception.

You can give condoms to women, too?
Hell, you can provide the pill to women and condoms to men for a double-whammy and it's still going to be a shitton more cost-effective.

Lumeau wrote:To answer your first question, IUDs have a much lower failure rate and you don't have to keep buying them.

It was my understanding condoms had an exceptionally low failure rate as well? (Huh, 18% supposedly according to the CDC. I expected lower)
And it would take a LOOOOOT of condoms (or pills) to make-up $1000.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:17 pm

Scomagia wrote:More births means more soldiers, of course. *nods*

You're so XIX century.

More births means more salary dumping and more consumers!
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Postby United Prefectures of Appia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:23 pm

Lumeau wrote:I certainly agree that welfare abuse exists and is a problem...

A problem that's at the bottom of the list of America's major problems. I'm more concern with Wall St. Fatcats and the greedy rich of the Establishment committing thefts in the tens and billions of dollars than some so-called bum who's supposedly wasting welfare money on some illegal drugs.
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Postby Lumeau » Wed May 06, 2015 11:26 pm

United Prefectures of Appia wrote:
Lumeau wrote:I certainly agree that welfare abuse exists and is a problem...

A problem that's at the bottom of the list of America's major problems. I'm more concern with Wall St. Fatcats and the greedy rich of the Establishment committing thefts in the tens and billions of dollars than some so-called bum who's supposedly wasting welfare money on some illegal drugs.


I agree with you completely. I added that statement to add some balance to my post so I wouldn't look like a bleeding-heart.

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed May 06, 2015 11:29 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:It was my understanding condoms had an exceptionally low failure rate as well? (Huh, 18% supposedly according to the CDC. I expected lower)

I'm pretty sure that's the annual failure rate, and includes things like 'ran out of condoms, but had sex anyway.'

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