by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 5:02 pm
by Romalae » Tue May 05, 2015 5:04 pm
by Khorsun » Tue May 05, 2015 5:04 pm
by Godular » Tue May 05, 2015 5:05 pm
by Miletos » Tue May 05, 2015 5:06 pm
by Cyrisnia » Tue May 05, 2015 5:07 pm
Khorsun wrote:You've heard correctly. Liberals, trolls, and liberal trolls describes 90% of the crowd here.
by Diopolis » Tue May 05, 2015 5:07 pm
by Cyrisnia » Tue May 05, 2015 5:08 pm
Diopolis wrote:You would probably be considered center-right here.
NSG, like most of the internet, is left-leaning. However, it has a much broader political spectrum than most of the world- I'm a far-rightist reactionary monarchist and I'm not the most conservative on the site, and there are plenty of far-left anarchists around. Sure, the average NSer is probably a leftist social democrat, but at least in NSG, they really do want to have a conversation on what they believe, so as long as your views are grounded in actual reasons and you take care not to flame anyone, you should be fine.
Miletos wrote:It's a spectrum. You'll find all sorts of ultra-liberal people socially (on both the left and the right), as well as convinced socialists (*waves*) all the way to convinced neo-liberals, minarchists and anarcho-capitalists. You'll find right-wing conservatives, left-wing conservatives, right-wing social libertarians and left-wing social libertarians.
To repeat myself again in another different way, it's a melting-pot of all sorts of different social, political, economic and religious beliefs.
by Cyrisnia » Tue May 05, 2015 5:11 pm
Baitskhan wrote:The most vocal group on this site, indeed, all social internet sites though would be the liberals.
by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 5:12 pm
Diopolis wrote:You would probably be considered center-right here.
NSG, like most of the internet, is left-leaning. However, it has a much broader political spectrum than most of the world- I'm a far-rightist reactionary monarchist and I'm not the most conservative on the site, and there are plenty of far-left anarchists around. Sure, the average NSer is probably a leftist social democrat, but at least in NSG, they really do want to have a conversation on what they believe, so as long as your views are grounded in actual reasons and you take care not to flame anyone, you should be fine.
by Reploid Productions » Tue May 05, 2015 5:12 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Skappola » Tue May 05, 2015 5:14 pm
by Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 05, 2015 5:16 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:I wouldn't call NSG extraordinarily liberal. Left-of-center, certainly. I think it's actually skewed just a hair to the right in recent years. (Of course, with the 2016 US Presidential election circus about to kick into full swing, who knows?) Aside from the majority however, there's a fairly decent scattering of other viewpoints, running the gamut from extreme right to extreme left, though the more extreme the position, the harder it is for adherents to argue it in a way that doesn't break the site rules. Certainly seems like our conservative posters don't get dogpiled nearly as badly as they did circa 2012 or 2008, anyhow.
Then again, I also think our users aren't firmly all liberal/all conservative in their viewpoints, either. We've got users who are socially liberal while fiscally conservative and vice versa. Anti-gun control players who are also pro-LGBT. And so on and so forth. There's a lot more variation than the black-and-white polarization some people would try to shoehorn everybody into.
by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 5:16 pm
Skappola wrote:NSG is actually more balanced than you'd think, as shown in the polls. Depending on the day, it is anywhere between ultra left-wing and centrist. Left-Wingers generally seem to dominate the conversations in the comments, for whatever reason. I have a feeling a number of them would claim that this is because they're the best debaters - though loudest may be a better descriptiom.
by Miletos » Tue May 05, 2015 5:17 pm
New Albian wrote:Diopolis wrote:You would probably be considered center-right here.
NSG, like most of the internet, is left-leaning. However, it has a much broader political spectrum than most of the world- I'm a far-rightist reactionary monarchist and I'm not the most conservative on the site, and there are plenty of far-left anarchists around. Sure, the average NSer is probably a leftist social democrat, but at least in NSG, they really do want to have a conversation on what they believe, so as long as your views are grounded in actual reasons and you take care not to flame anyone, you should be fine.
I've noted people tend to not consider the opposing viewpoints much, at least that's what it seems like. My experience from the abortion debate I was just having sort of led to the vibe that people are not here to academically debate at the very least, and most do not come away with new perspectives :c
Or is this just a defense mechanism in terms of retaining your values? Unsure tbh.
by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 5:17 pm
Republic of the Cristo wrote:Reploid Productions wrote:I wouldn't call NSG extraordinarily liberal. Left-of-center, certainly. I think it's actually skewed just a hair to the right in recent years. (Of course, with the 2016 US Presidential election circus about to kick into full swing, who knows?) Aside from the majority however, there's a fairly decent scattering of other viewpoints, running the gamut from extreme right to extreme left, though the more extreme the position, the harder it is for adherents to argue it in a way that doesn't break the site rules. Certainly seems like our conservative posters don't get dogpiled nearly as badly as they did circa 2012 or 2008, anyhow.
Then again, I also think our users aren't firmly all liberal/all conservative in their viewpoints, either. We've got users who are socially liberal while fiscally conservative and vice versa. Anti-gun control players who are also pro-LGBT. And so on and so forth. There's a lot more variation than the black-and-white polarization some people would try to shoehorn everybody into.
I don't know, the Paraguay abortion debate, it was me versus literally 11 other guys with the occasional pro-lifer speaking in as help. Also, I haven't really meet an actual fascist on this site yet, have ?
by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 5:18 pm
Miletos wrote:New Albian wrote:
I've noted people tend to not consider the opposing viewpoints much, at least that's what it seems like. My experience from the abortion debate I was just having sort of led to the vibe that people are not here to academically debate at the very least, and most do not come away with new perspectives :c
Or is this just a defense mechanism in terms of retaining your values? Unsure tbh.
Abortion tends to be one of the issues, especially amongst those who have been arguing it for years, on which people become extremely dogmatic, because it is emotive for some and of great ethical significance.
Basically, if you have people who believe in an absolute right to bodily sovereignty, then that naturally leads to a view that anything flying in the face of that is wrong.
Issues which are more about politics than medical ethics (foreign policy, history, domestic policy, the role of the state etc.) tend to be a bit more dynamic than the "YOU'RE WRONG!" "NO, YOU'RE WRONG!" that characterises a thread like one about abortion where both sides have fixed, immovable and mutually exclusive positions.
by Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 05, 2015 5:19 pm
New Albian wrote:Republic of the Cristo wrote:
I don't know, the Paraguay abortion debate, it was me versus literally 11 other guys with the occasional pro-lifer speaking in as help. Also, I haven't really meet an actual fascist on this site yet, have ?
I would help you there, I'm pro-life for secular reasons :c
by Atlanticatia » Tue May 05, 2015 5:20 pm
by Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 05, 2015 5:21 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:NSG has become more right-leaning and authoritarian lately, but I'd say a majority of NSGers lean left and are socially liberal.
by Skappola » Tue May 05, 2015 5:22 pm
Miletos wrote:New Albian wrote:
I've noted people tend to not consider the opposing viewpoints much, at least that's what it seems like. My experience from the abortion debate I was just having sort of led to the vibe that people are not here to academically debate at the very least, and most do not come away with new perspectives :c
Or is this just a defense mechanism in terms of retaining your values? Unsure tbh.
Abortion tends to be one of the issues, especially amongst those who have been arguing it for years, on which people become extremely dogmatic, because it is emotive for some and of great ethical significance.
Basically, if you have people who believe in an absolute right to bodily sovereignty, then that naturally leads to a view that anything flying in the face of that is wrong.
Issues which are more about politics than medical ethics (foreign policy, history, domestic policy, the role of the state etc.) tend to be a bit more dynamic than the "YOU'RE WRONG!" "NO, YOU'RE WRONG!" that characterises a thread like one about abortion where both sides have fixed, immovable and mutually exclusive positions.
by Geilinor » Tue May 05, 2015 5:22 pm
by Miletos » Tue May 05, 2015 5:23 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:NSG has become more right-leaning and authoritarian lately, but I'd say a majority of NSGers lean left and are socially liberal.
by Republic of the Cristo » Tue May 05, 2015 5:25 pm
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