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Which Country ´ll be Next in Putin’s imperial Project?

Poll ended at Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:23 pm

Kazakhstan
25
23%
Moldova
20
18%
Georgia
31
28%
Alaska
14
13%
Latvia(NATO)
10
9%
Estonia (NATO)
10
9%
 
Total votes : 110

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After Crimea/Lugandon: Which Country ´ll be Next in Putin’s

Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 12:23 pm

After Crimea/Lugandon: Which Country ´ll be Next in Putin’s imperial Project?

my guess that it could be only Kazakhstan , simply because Putin´s Moscovy does not have enough recurses for other well-known projects. what do you think?

After Crimea: Will Kazakhstan be Next in Putin’s Reintegration Project?

If unchecked, Russia’s seizure of key objects in Crimea will be the first step in changing the map of Eurasia. Vladimir Putin’s assertion of a need to use military force to protect Russian citizens and the entire “Russian-speaking population” is ominous. It should be read as a warning that Russia’s president wants to reverse what he says are two of the great catastrophes of the twentieth century: the collapse of the Russian Empire and the breakup of the Soviet Union.



Seeing himself as the “protector” of all Russians, Putin had good reason to be upset by the unfolding developments in Ukraine. The disgraced ally, Viktor Yanukovych, and the revelations of his lavish lifestyle in the global media were embarrassing and raise questions about how other Russian-backed autocrats are spending state funds.

And the new inchoate government in Kyiv played its part in inciting Putin’s anger. Not content to simply turn toward the EU, United States, and IMF for solutions, the interim government decided to scrap the 2012 law that legalized the use of the Russian language—this was like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

Putin could have behaved like an international statesman, expressing shock and ignorance of Yanukovych’s corruption and ensuring Russia influenced any IMF bailout efforts. To make them truly international he could have pressed to include Ukraine’s debts to both Russia and China in the dealings and proffered his own bailout as well.


Every nation and great culture strives for a renaissance, but this can’t be done through the use or threat of force, or at the cost of other nations and peoples seeking to define and achieve their own national dreams. Yet this is precisely what Putin seeks to do by taking advantage of the political confusion in Ukraine to reassert Russian nationalist claims on Crimea and potentially on the eastern and southern regions of the country.

Are other regions in the former Soviet Union facing the same risk as Ukraine?

Presumably Kazakhstan could come next. Kazakhstan also has a large Russian minority population and the Russian language is set to be gradually phased out from public life. Previewing Moscow’s response, Vladimir Zhironovskii, the Russian nationalist leader and convenient buffoon, called for the creation of a Central Asian Federal Region with a capital in Verny (the Russian imperial name for Almaty) in February.

Russia vowed to respect Kazakhstan’s territorial integrity (just as it did with Ukraine) in 1994, when the country relinquished control of its share of the U.S.S.R.’s nuclear weapons. But Kazakhstan has still been careful in its response to events in Ukraine.

The Kazakh leadership remained silent about the crisis until March 3, preferring to concentrate on the fifteenth anniversary of the formation of Nur Otan, the ruling party, while official media reported developments in Ukraine in a straightforward fashion.

When Kazakhstan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs finally issued a statement it was careful to distance the country both from Russia’s actions and from the various G-7 member calls for sanctions. It urged all sides to find a resolution through negotiations and respect for the fundamental principles of international law.

For the leadership in Astana nothing good can come from Russia’s actions in Crimea. President Nursultan Nazarbayev has publicly endorsed “deep integration” with Russia on numerous occasions (despite growing public dissatisfaction over its economic costs), but the future is unclear.

What will happen when the nearly 74-year-old leader passes from the scene? Will the Kremlin be content with a successor who is also pro-integration with Russia? Or will various behind-the-scenes dealers try to stimulate the dissatisfactions of Kazakhstan’s ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking minorities to get them to exercise their “right” of national self-determination and rejoin the “Russian motherland”? This would be totally unacceptable to the rest of Kazakhstan’s increasingly patriotic population, who like the people in much of Ukraine would not want to submit quietly.


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Putin’s Plans to Seize Eastern Europe and Alaska

have received highly credible accounts that if Putin invades any portion of Ukraine, exclusive of Crimea, that the United States is prepared to enact a no-fly zone over Syria in order to prevent the Russians from continuing to arm Assad with the necessary weapons to make an American invasion of Syria very costly in terms of lives and money.

As I have stated all along, World War III will begin, but not end in Syria. The United States, in an attempt to prolong the life of the Petrodollar needs to first invade Syria and then Iran to take control of payment obligations when it comes to Middle Eastern oil.

These same insider reports also indicate that Putin is prepared to counter any strike upon Syria with an attack upon Alaska and the former Soviet Socialist Republics in Eastern Europe. An additional report for this claim comes from an advisor to the Russian Parliament by the name of Roman Kokorev. But according to some Russian sources, Kokorev does not hold any such position. Yet, the following demonstrates that he indeed is who he says he is.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/20/putins-plans-to-seize-eastern-europe-and-alaska/
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Postby Geilinor » Sat May 02, 2015 12:25 pm

Putin isn't going to invade Alaska, that's stupid and everyone knows it.
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Postby Cyllea » Sat May 02, 2015 12:26 pm

There is no "Imperial Project". The Crimean people voted to join Russia.

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Postby Sjalhaven » Sat May 02, 2015 12:28 pm

I think we can all assume you joined NS only to talk about how you hate Russia.

To go back on the topic, this is a very preposterous idea.
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Postby Angleter » Sat May 02, 2015 12:29 pm

GreatLitva wrote:
Putin’s Plans to Seize Eastern Europe and Alaska

have received highly credible accounts that if Putin invades any portion of Ukraine, exclusive of Crimea, that the United States is prepared to enact a no-fly zone over Syria in order to prevent the Russians from continuing to arm Assad with the necessary weapons to make an American invasion of Syria very costly in terms of lives and money.

As I have stated all along, World War III will begin, but not end in Syria. The United States, in an attempt to prolong the life of the Petrodollar needs to first invade Syria and then Iran to take control of payment obligations when it comes to Middle Eastern oil.

These same insider reports also indicate that Putin is prepared to counter any strike upon Syria with an attack upon Alaska and the former Soviet Socialist Republics in Eastern Europe. An additional report for this claim comes from an advisor to the Russian Parliament by the name of Roman Kokorev. But according to some Russian sources, Kokorev does not hold any such position. Yet, the following demonstrates that he indeed is who he says he is.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/03/20/putins-plans-to-seize-eastern-europe-and-alaska/
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Postby Kingdom of genoa » Sat May 02, 2015 12:30 pm

You realize America owns Alaska, it's a state, and one important one with military bases and enough land to hold out until reinforcements arrive (I lived there, it would be a nightmare to invade)
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Postby National Socialist Rapture » Sat May 02, 2015 12:34 pm

>Alaska

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 02, 2015 12:40 pm

Don't be ridiculous. Moldova is the next target if anything, and even that's a long shot, assuming the Donbass works out for them.
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Postby LoveIra » Sat May 02, 2015 12:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Don't be ridiculous. Moldova is the next target if anything, and even that's a long shot, assuming the Donbass works out for them.

It is imposible for Russia to do something in Moldova because there is no phiysicall contact between the two. During the Crimea affair Transnistria asked Russia for annexation but Putin refused to do it.

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Postby Kingdom of genoa » Sat May 02, 2015 12:47 pm

Probably Georgia, Putin has the reason to do so> terrorists

He's not stupid enough to piss of America, remember what happened last time someone blew up americans
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 12:49 pm

Cyllea wrote:There is no "Imperial Project". The Crimean people voted to join Russia.
if Goblin and his Salem gang take over your village it will join Moscovy too.


Meet ‘Goblin’ — Moscow’s man in Crimea

SIMFEROPOL, UKRAINE—Strip away the propaganda from the chaos in Crimea, and this much is certain: last Thursday morning a political farce played out here in the regional capital.

It started with anonymous gunmen storming parliament house in a bloodless pre-dawn raid. By sunrise, the Russian flag was flying high above an occupied government house.

Lawmakers were summoned, stripped of their cellphones as they entered the chamber. The Crimean media was banished. Then, behind closed doors, Crimea’s government was dismissed and a new one formed, with Sergey Aksyonov, head of the Russian Unity party, installed as Crimea’s new premier.

If it was a crime, it was just the beginning. Aksyonov’s ascent to power at the point of a gun presaged all that has happened since — the announcement of a referendum on Crimean independence and the slow, methodical fanning out of Russian forces throughout the peninsula, ostensibly to protect Russians here from a threat no one can seem to find.

But here’s the most interesting bit: Aksyonov’s sudden rise as Moscow’s crucial point man in Crimea has revived simmering allegations of an underworld past going back to the lawless 1990s, when Aksyonov is said to have gone by the street name “Goblin,” a lieutenant in the Crimean crime syndicate Salem.

Details of “Goblin” spilled out this week in a broadcast interview with Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Senchenko, a Crimean who has known Aksyonov’s political sponsor, Crimean Parliamentary Speaker Vladimir Konstantinov, for 25 years.

Both Aksyonov and Konstantinov, according to Senchenko, sought political clout as a means of laundering their shady pasts, insulating themselves from potential prosecution. Upon taking power, the two fell under the sway of Moscow, he told Svoboda Radio.

“Mr. Aksyonov in the mid ’90s was a foreman in an organized criminal gang, known in Crimea in criminal and police circles under the pseudonym Goblin,” said Senchenko. But multiple changes of power and chronic corruption in the territory enabled the shredding and burning of much evidence, he added.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/03/04/meet_goblin_moscows_man_in_crimea.html

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Postby Geilinor » Sat May 02, 2015 12:49 pm

LoveIra wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Don't be ridiculous. Moldova is the next target if anything, and even that's a long shot, assuming the Donbass works out for them.

It is imposible for Russia to do something in Moldova because there is no phiysicall contact between the two. During the Crimea affair Transnistria asked Russia for annexation but Putin refused to do it.

There doesn't have to be any physical contact. Look at Kaliningrad Oblast, there's no contact with Russia.
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 12:50 pm

Kingdom of genoa wrote:Probably Georgia, Putin has the reason to do so> terrorists

He's not stupid enough to piss of America, remember what happened last time someone blew up americans
any link? its a poor but very hospital nation

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Postby Kingdom of genoa » Sat May 02, 2015 12:52 pm

GreatLitva wrote:
Kingdom of genoa wrote:Probably Georgia, Putin has the reason to do so> terrorists

He's not stupid enough to piss of America, remember what happened last time someone blew up americans
any link? its a poor but very hospital nation


Look at ww2, japan, and Alaska is more important to America tham Hawaii is, if for nothing else natural resources
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 12:52 pm

Geilinor wrote:
LoveIra wrote:It is imposible for Russia to do something in Moldova because there is no phiysicall contact between the two. During the Crimea affair Transnistria asked Russia for annexation but Putin refused to do it.

There doesn't have to be any physical contact. Look at Kaliningrad Oblast, there's no contact with Russia.


Is Moldova the next Crimea? Russia is worried
A top Russian policymaker issued a warning to Moldova as election results from the former Soviet republic showed that pro-EU parties were edging toward victory.

Russia is worried that a Moldovan government wanting closer ties with Europe would weaken its power in the region. The warning Monday comes after Russia annexed Crimea in March, following a referendum that showed overwhelming support for the move.

By 9 a.m. London time on Tuesday, over 98 percent of the votes had been counted following a parliamentary election on Sunday. Initial results showed that the pro-Russian Socialist Party was leading the way with 20.77 percent of the vote, but three pro-European parties were faring well enough that observers said they might be able to form a coalition.
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 12:53 pm

Kingdom of genoa wrote:
GreatLitva wrote:any link? its a poor but very hospital nation


Look at ww2, japan, and Alaska is more important to America tham Hawaii is, if for nothing else natural resources

who are the terrorists?

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Postby Emerald-Springs » Sat May 02, 2015 12:53 pm

Kazakhstan will be reïntegrated with Russia by political rather than military means, assuming that it's reïntegrated at all. Kazakhstan has been an early, eager, and reliable participant in Russian-led regional IGOs, and the Russian and Kazakhstani governments have very good bilateral relations, due in no small part to Kazakhstan's heavy economic dependence on Russian trade and investment. However, China is making major diplomatic and economic inroads into all of the Central Asian states, mainly through the mining sector, just as Russia's soft power in the region is waning as the ethnic Russian population dwindles there* and knowledge of Russian as a second language gives way to English. So who knows?

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Postby LoveIra » Sat May 02, 2015 12:59 pm

Geilinor wrote:
LoveIra wrote:It is imposible for Russia to do something in Moldova because there is no phiysicall contact between the two. During the Crimea affair Transnistria asked Russia for annexation but Putin refused to do it.

There doesn't have to be any physical contact. Look at Kaliningrad Oblast, there's no contact with Russia.

The two are not comparable at all. Kalinigrad has always been conncected to Russia directly until 1991. and got it so after World war II. On other hand there is no posibility for Russian troops to enter Transnistria because it is sourounded by Ukraine and NATO. Even if Russia manages to get some troops there it could not make the same what it did in Crimea.

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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 1:05 pm

Emerald-Springs wrote:Kazakhstan will be reïntegrated with Russia by political rather than military means, assuming that it's reïntegrated at all. Kazakhstan has been an early, eager, and reliable participant in Russian-led regional IGOs, and the Russian and Kazakhstani governments have very good bilateral relations, due in no small part to Kazakhstan's heavy economic dependence on Russian trade and investment. However, China is making major diplomatic and economic inroads into all of the Central Asian states, mainly through the mining sector, just as Russia's soft power in the region is waning as the ethnic Russian population dwindles there* and knowledge of Russian as a second language gives way to English. So who knows?
why Kazakhstan could not be "reïntegrated" with china(check out developments in RuSSkiy mir and Hans mir? or stay as an independent state? do you think that Kazakhs will not defend the independence?

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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 1:08 pm

LoveIra wrote:
Geilinor wrote:There doesn't have to be any physical contact. Look at Kaliningrad Oblast, there's no contact with Russia.

The two are not comparable at all. Kalinigrad has always been conncected to Russia directly until 1991. and got it so after World war II. On other hand there is no posibility for Russian troops to enter Transnistria because it is sourounded by Ukraine and NATO. Even if Russia manages to get some troops there it could not make the same what it did in Crimea.
no it was not

video from Kaliningrad Oblast, one who controls vodka controls the city /village

https://youtu.be/-kHxdTpJRt0

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Postby Royal latin states » Sat May 02, 2015 1:12 pm

Doubt it,russia's economy is doing shit right now,we could seriously push more sanctions on russia,if congress agrees.

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Postby Brits n Tea » Sat May 02, 2015 1:14 pm

Just a reminder that the United States has helped organize coups worldwide, effectively putting them in charge of the countries - although not officially. Britain has also been guilty of this, all of the Russophobic propaganda begins to get annoying after a while.
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 1:15 pm

Royal latin states wrote:Doubt it,russia's economy is doing shit right now,we could seriously push more sanctions on russia,if congress agrees.
good point, but what if the collaborators will be simply move(train, buses) from Lugandon and Crimea to Northern Kazakhstan. so we talk about 8 000-10 000 (semi) professional terrorists ....

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat May 02, 2015 1:16 pm

Maybe he will fancy another go at Afghanistan.
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Postby GreatLitva » Sat May 02, 2015 1:18 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Maybe he will fancy another go at Afghanistan.
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