NATION

PASSWORD

French Muslim Student Kept From Class Over Her Skirt

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Cyllea
Minister
 
Posts: 3136
Founded: Nov 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

French Muslim Student Kept From Class Over Her Skirt

Postby Cyllea » Fri May 01, 2015 3:11 pm

It's not often you hear about women being criticized for wearing skirts that are too long. But that's exactly what happened to one French teen, who was barred from attending class because her ankle-length maxi-skirt was deemed a "provocation."

The 15-year-old Muslim student was twice kept from class earlier this month because the head teacher considered her long skirt too religious by the standards of France's secularity laws.

The internet responded by deeming the decision ridiculous and the ensuing outrage spawned the hashtag #JePorteMaJupeCommeJeVeux, translated into English as "I wear my skirt as I please.

The school is standing by its decision, arguing that the plain black skirt "conspicuously" showed religious affiliation, AFP reported.

According to the 2004 law that governs secularity in schools, veils, the Jewish kippa or large Christian crosses are all banned in educational establishments, but "discreet religious signs" are allowed.

The student, who removes her head scarf daily before entering school, was quoted by a local newspaper as saying the skirt was "nothing special, it's very simple, there's nothing conspicuous. There is no religious sign whatsoever."


Sources:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/french- ... -1.3055606
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... long-skirt
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... -long.html
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201504292145-0024722


I think this is absolutely ridiculous. Banning the hijab and head coverings is already bad enough, now they cant even wear skirts that show modesty? What in the actual fuck? France is starting the cross the line of Secularism and is beginning to move into militant atheism. There is absolutely nothing wrong with dressing modestly, and I'm quite sure that if the student wasn't openly muslim that this wouldn't be a problem; its quite clearly discrimination.

So, what say you, NSG? Anyone here gonna defend the actions of the school?

User avatar
Geilinor
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41328
Founded: Feb 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Geilinor » Fri May 01, 2015 3:13 pm

Not a woman, but #JePorteMaJupeCommeJeVeux.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

User avatar
Empire of Narnia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5577
Founded: Oct 18, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri May 01, 2015 3:14 pm

Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

User avatar
Cyllea
Minister
 
Posts: 3136
Founded: Nov 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Cyllea » Fri May 01, 2015 3:15 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

I think repealing the laws would suffice..

User avatar
Galloism
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 73175
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Fri May 01, 2015 3:15 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

I suggest they storm the Bastille.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


User avatar
Wisconsin9
Post Czar
 
Posts: 35753
Founded: May 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri May 01, 2015 3:15 pm

I like secularism and this is ridiculous.
~~~~~~~~
We are currently 33% through the Trump administration.
................................................................................................................................................................................................................
................................................................................................................................................................................................................

User avatar
The Army Republic of Prussia
Envoy
 
Posts: 328
Founded: Mar 15, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Army Republic of Prussia » Fri May 01, 2015 3:15 pm

Are you kidding me? Have we crossed into the Twilight zone? This is just so wrong. France, get your act together.
"If that don't work, use more gun"- The Engineer.
"There's something to love about a nation that builds a cannon and then says "Nah, son, not big enough.""-Cumberlanda
The liberal Fascist Alt-history Germany.

User avatar
Uxupox
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13447
Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Uxupox » Fri May 01, 2015 3:16 pm

"Skirt too religious". What the hell is the matter with French law makers.
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

User avatar
Empire of Narnia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5577
Founded: Oct 18, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri May 01, 2015 3:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

I suggest they storm the Bastille.

If it happened once it can happen again. I'd like to see an Islamic France.

User avatar
Cyllea
Minister
 
Posts: 3136
Founded: Nov 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Cyllea » Fri May 01, 2015 3:17 pm

Uxupox wrote:"Skirt too religious". What the hell is the matter with French law makers.


People are gonna convert to Islam because her skirt is so long, obviously.

User avatar
Sebtopiaris
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10250
Founded: Jun 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri May 01, 2015 3:17 pm

The skirt isn't religious. It's just long.
This teacher's being a dolt.

If long skirts are religious, then clearly Michelle Obama is praising Allah in this picture.
https://twitter.com/Punjabi_medic/statu ... 40/photo/1
Last edited by Sebtopiaris on Fri May 01, 2015 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sebtopiaris is a culturally and ethnically Mediterranean, single-party democratic socialist state in the New Warsaw Pact with a population of 39 million Sebtopiariots. Sebtopiaris and its IC actions do not represent my personal beliefs, and Sebtopiaris's overview page does not represent much at all.

User avatar
Idzequitch
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17033
Founded: Apr 22, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Idzequitch » Fri May 01, 2015 3:17 pm

Unacceptable. They shouldn't even have banned the hijab/kippa/cross. It's a gross violation of religious liberties. Now her skirt is too religious? Stop being bigots and let people be who they are. As long as they aren't actively disturbing/distracting others, there's no reason to tell kids what they are and are not allowed to wear.
Twenty-something, male, heterosexual, Protestant Christian. Politically unaffiliated libertarian-ish centrist.
Meyers-Briggs INFP.
Enneagram Type 9.
Political Compass Left/Right 0.13
Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.38
9Axes Results

I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view, and life went on no matter who was wrong or right. - Billy Joel

User avatar
The Qeiiam Galaxy
Envoy
 
Posts: 324
Founded: Jan 17, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Qeiiam Galaxy » Fri May 01, 2015 3:18 pm

First thing that came to my mind was FMARoy Mustang's "tiny miniskirts" quote.

User avatar
Sebtopiaris
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10250
Founded: Jun 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri May 01, 2015 3:18 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

You know, if there's a coup you're gonna get a lot of the radical ones participating.
Sebtopiaris is a culturally and ethnically Mediterranean, single-party democratic socialist state in the New Warsaw Pact with a population of 39 million Sebtopiariots. Sebtopiaris and its IC actions do not represent my personal beliefs, and Sebtopiaris's overview page does not represent much at all.

User avatar
Page
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17485
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Fri May 01, 2015 3:19 pm

Cyllea wrote:
It's not often you hear about women being criticized for wearing skirts that are too long. But that's exactly what happened to one French teen, who was barred from attending class because her ankle-length maxi-skirt was deemed a "provocation."

The 15-year-old Muslim student was twice kept from class earlier this month because the head teacher considered her long skirt too religious by the standards of France's secularity laws.

The internet responded by deeming the decision ridiculous and the ensuing outrage spawned the hashtag #JePorteMaJupeCommeJeVeux, translated into English as "I wear my skirt as I please.

The school is standing by its decision, arguing that the plain black skirt "conspicuously" showed religious affiliation, AFP reported.

According to the 2004 law that governs secularity in schools, veils, the Jewish kippa or large Christian crosses are all banned in educational establishments, but "discreet religious signs" are allowed.

The student, who removes her head scarf daily before entering school, was quoted by a local newspaper as saying the skirt was "nothing special, it's very simple, there's nothing conspicuous. There is no religious sign whatsoever."


Sources:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/french- ... -1.3055606
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... long-skirt
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... -long.html
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201504292145-0024722


I think this is absolutely ridiculous. Banning the hijab and head coverings is already bad enough, now they cant even wear skirts that show modesty? What in the actual fuck? France is starting the cross the line of Secularism and is beginning to move into militant atheism. There is absolutely nothing wrong with dressing modestly, and I'm quite sure that if the student wasn't openly muslim that this wouldn't be a problem; its quite clearly discrimination.

So, what say you, NSG? Anyone here gonna defend the actions of the school?


Not militant atheism, militant anti-Islam. If the same exact thing happened but the girl had white skin and her religion was Christian Pentecostalism, she would have been left alone and everyone knows it.
Anarcho-Communist Against: Bolsheviks, Fascists, TERFs, Putin, Autocrats, Conservatives, Ancaps, Bourgeoisie, Bigots, Liberals, Maoists

I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163894
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Fri May 01, 2015 3:19 pm

Cyllea wrote:
It's not often you hear about women being criticized for wearing skirts that are too long. But that's exactly what happened to one French teen, who was barred from attending class because her ankle-length maxi-skirt was deemed a "provocation."

The 15-year-old Muslim student was twice kept from class earlier this month because the head teacher considered her long skirt too religious by the standards of France's secularity laws.

The internet responded by deeming the decision ridiculous and the ensuing outrage spawned the hashtag #JePorteMaJupeCommeJeVeux, translated into English as "I wear my skirt as I please.

The school is standing by its decision, arguing that the plain black skirt "conspicuously" showed religious affiliation, AFP reported.

According to the 2004 law that governs secularity in schools, veils, the Jewish kippa or large Christian crosses are all banned in educational establishments, but "discreet religious signs" are allowed.

The student, who removes her head scarf daily before entering school, was quoted by a local newspaper as saying the skirt was "nothing special, it's very simple, there's nothing conspicuous. There is no religious sign whatsoever."


Sources:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/french- ... -1.3055606
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... long-skirt
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... -long.html
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201504292145-0024722


I think this is absolutely ridiculous. Banning the hijab and head coverings is already bad enough, now they cant even wear skirts that show modesty? What in the actual fuck? France is starting the cross the line of Secularism and is beginning to move into militant atheism.

No, France is just continuing to be France.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with dressing modestly, and I'm quite sure that if the student wasn't openly muslim that this wouldn't be a problem; its quite clearly discrimination.

Quite clearly.

So, what say you, NSG? Anyone here gonna defend the actions of the school?

I wouldn't count on it, but it's possible.
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
The Army Republic of Prussia
Envoy
 
Posts: 328
Founded: Mar 15, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Army Republic of Prussia » Fri May 01, 2015 3:19 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:The skirt isn't religious. It's just long.
This teacher's being a dolt.

If long skirts are religious, then clearly Michelle Obama is praising Allah in this picture.
https://twitter.com/Punjabi_medic/statu ... 40/photo/1

I knew it. I always knew they were Muslims. Conspiracy theory conformed. Next we're going to find out that they are part of the Illuminati.
"If that don't work, use more gun"- The Engineer.
"There's something to love about a nation that builds a cannon and then says "Nah, son, not big enough.""-Cumberlanda
The liberal Fascist Alt-history Germany.

User avatar
The Qeiiam Galaxy
Envoy
 
Posts: 324
Founded: Jan 17, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Qeiiam Galaxy » Fri May 01, 2015 3:20 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:The skirt isn't religious. It's just long.
This teacher's being a dolt.

If long skirts are religious, then clearly Michelle Obama is praising Allah in this picture.
https://twitter.com/Punjabi_medic/statu ... 40/photo/1

*gasp* You mean the Republicans were right? Obama is actually a Muslim?

User avatar
Eastfield Lodge
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10027
Founded: May 23, 2008
Democratic Socialists

Postby Eastfield Lodge » Fri May 01, 2015 3:21 pm

Uxupox wrote:"Skirt too religious". What the hell is the matter with French law makers.

Not French law-makers. The school considers it too religious.
Economic Left/Right: -5.01 (formerly -5.88)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31 (formerly 2.36)
ISideWith UK
My motto translates to: "All Eat Fish and Chips!"
First person to post the 10,000th reply to a thread on these forums.
International Geese Brigade - Celebrating 0 Radiation and 3rd Place!
info to be added
stuff to be added
This nation partially represents my political, social and economic views.

User avatar
Sebtopiaris
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10250
Founded: Jun 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri May 01, 2015 3:21 pm

The Qeiiam Galaxy wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:The skirt isn't religious. It's just long.
This teacher's being a dolt.

If long skirts are religious, then clearly Michelle Obama is praising Allah in this picture.
https://twitter.com/Punjabi_medic/statu ... 40/photo/1

*gasp* You mean the Republicans were right? Obama is actually a Muslim?

Image
Sebtopiaris is a culturally and ethnically Mediterranean, single-party democratic socialist state in the New Warsaw Pact with a population of 39 million Sebtopiariots. Sebtopiaris and its IC actions do not represent my personal beliefs, and Sebtopiaris's overview page does not represent much at all.

User avatar
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat
Minister
 
Posts: 2150
Founded: Aug 01, 2014
Father Knows Best State

Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Fri May 01, 2015 3:21 pm

The Qeiiam Galaxy wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:The skirt isn't religious. It's just long.
This teacher's being a dolt.

If long skirts are religious, then clearly Michelle Obama is praising Allah in this picture.
https://twitter.com/Punjabi_medic/statu ... 40/photo/1

*gasp* You mean the Republicans were right? Obama is actually a Muslim?


(X-Files theme plays) Wild Bill was right!

User avatar
Sebtopiaris
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10250
Founded: Jun 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri May 01, 2015 3:21 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Uxupox wrote:"Skirt too religious". What the hell is the matter with French law makers.

Not French law-makers. The school considers it too religious.

Not even the school, actually. She was kept in in a class.
Sebtopiaris is a culturally and ethnically Mediterranean, single-party democratic socialist state in the New Warsaw Pact with a population of 39 million Sebtopiariots. Sebtopiaris and its IC actions do not represent my personal beliefs, and Sebtopiaris's overview page does not represent much at all.

User avatar
The Qeiiam Galaxy
Envoy
 
Posts: 324
Founded: Jan 17, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Qeiiam Galaxy » Fri May 01, 2015 3:21 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Hopefully these discriminatory laws will encourage French Muslims to overthrow the corrupt French government.

You know, if there's a coup you're gonna get a lot of the radical ones participating.

Hmm, I'm gonna call the Club des Jacobins.

User avatar
Sebtopiaris
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10250
Founded: Jun 26, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sebtopiaris » Fri May 01, 2015 3:22 pm

The Qeiiam Galaxy wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:You know, if there's a coup you're gonna get a lot of the radical ones participating.

Hmm, I'm gonna call the Club des Jacobins.

Have fun with that. I'll be phoning the Communards.
Sebtopiaris is a culturally and ethnically Mediterranean, single-party democratic socialist state in the New Warsaw Pact with a population of 39 million Sebtopiariots. Sebtopiaris and its IC actions do not represent my personal beliefs, and Sebtopiaris's overview page does not represent much at all.

User avatar
Idzequitch
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17033
Founded: Apr 22, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Idzequitch » Fri May 01, 2015 3:22 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Uxupox wrote:"Skirt too religious". What the hell is the matter with French law makers.

Not French law-makers. The school considers it too religious.

But the discriminatory law is what started the entire ridiculous situation. If there was no anti-religious law, there would be no big deal when a Muslim dresses in a Muslim manner.
Twenty-something, male, heterosexual, Protestant Christian. Politically unaffiliated libertarian-ish centrist.
Meyers-Briggs INFP.
Enneagram Type 9.
Political Compass Left/Right 0.13
Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.38
9Axes Results

I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view, and life went on no matter who was wrong or right. - Billy Joel

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ancientania, Barinive, Elejamie, Kortunal, Namkada, Plan Neonie, Repreteop, The Jamesian Republic, Trump Almighty, Uiiop, Verkhoyanska

Advertisement

Remove ads