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[DRAFT] Liberate The Black Riders

Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:00 am

EDIT: IMPORTANT: Oh, I see I left a word out. I will leave the existing resolution up to get more approvals and re-submit a corrected version. Feel free to give input. I'll send another TG to all the delegates highlighting the gross violations of TBR in a few days when I re-submit. :)

For those of you that do not know, (where have you been the last five minutes) The Black Riders have been running an illegal recruitment script created by the DoS player Frak/Anur.

One simply cannot overstate how messed up that is. They have been running cheating to increase their numbers and screw over legitimate regions like all of ours. This also comes after revelations that Frak was also using Bob Moran (long time TBR raider) to steal IP addresses of other users through a 1x1 pixel picture in his signature on offsite forums. Anyone that viewed the pixel had their IP address revealed to Frak. TBR is a disgrace.

As a result, Halc (founder of TBR) has had all his nations deleted. This of course means that TBR is founderless and will need to refound, this is where we come in.

Liberate The Black Riders

The World Assembly,

Remembering the long list of regions occupied by The Black Riders,

Recalling most occupations by The Black Riders are heavily "piled," meaning too many WA Members are sent to endorse the invader delegate to make a liberation by defenders feasible,

Knowing now that The Black Riders were able to obtain their huge numbers of members through unethical recruitment,

Noting that the founder of The Black Riders has ceased to exist because of these unethical actions,

Seeking to express the outrage of the NationStates multiverse at the past invasions and the highly questionable actions of members of The Black Riders,

Observing when a gameplay region becomes founderless the natives usually seek a refound by using a password,

Hoping to make that process take as long as possible because it will tie up invader resources and leave The Black Riders more vulnerable until it is complete,

Remembering that in the past Liberations have been used to prevent refounds of regions deserving the contempt of all good men,

Liberates The Black Riders.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:13 am

And what would the end of TBR achieve? In fact it would achieve something no one wants; a lack of activity in gameplay. Raiders need defenders and defenders need raiders. To put it simply, don't.
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Postby Greater North American Confederacy » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:15 am

Weed wrote:For those of you that do not know, (where have you been the last five minutes) The Black Riders and The Land of Kings and Emperors has been running an illegal recruitment script created by the DoS player Frak/Anur.

One simply cannot overstate how messed up that is. They have been running cheating to increase their numbers and screw over legitimate regions like all of ours. This also comes after revelations that Frak was also using Bob Moran (long time TBR raider) to steal IP addresses of other users through a 1x1 pixel picture in his signature on offsite forums. Anyone that viewed the pixel had their IP address revealed to Frak. TBR is a disgrace.

As a result, Halc (founder of TBR) has had all his nations deleted. This of course means that TBR is founderless and will need to refound, this is where we come in.

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Liberate The Black Riders

The World Assembly

Recognizing the shocking revelation that The Land Of Kings And Emperors and The Black Riders have been using unethical means to improve their strength and hurt other legitimate regions,

Noting that as a result of their actions The Black Riders is now without a founder,

Recalling the long history of abrasive and offensive behavior by The Black Riders,

Knowing that The Black Riders will seek to eject nations from behind a password to solve the vulnerability their new founderless status has created,

Seeking to take every opportunity thwart the region that has been shown to be built on lies and unethical tactics,

Liberates The Black Riders.

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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:16 am

I would not call the end of a terrible region built on cheating and lies in order to harass and annoy new players "something no one wants."

This would not end them, though, they will still refound I am sure, it will just take longer.
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Postby Applebania » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:16 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:And what would the end of TBR achieve? In fact it would achieve something no one wants; a lack of activity in gameplay. Raiders need defenders and defenders need raiders. To put it simply, don't.

There's more than one raider group in the world, ya know. Far better raider groups exist.

Anyways, I support this, just because it'll be fun to watch.
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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:18 am

Lots of slander going to be thrown around in this thread, I suspect.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:28 am

Weed wrote:I would not call the end of a terrible region built on cheating and lies in order to harass and annoy new players "something no one wants."

This would not end them, though, they will still refound I am sure, it will just take longer.

Then why? What would this even achieve in the end?

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Reddogkeno101 wrote:And what would the end of TBR achieve? In fact it would achieve something no one wants; a lack of activity in gameplay. Raiders need defenders and defenders need raiders. To put it simply, don't.

There's more than one raider group in the world, ya know. Far better raider groups exist.

Anyways, I support this, just because it'll be fun to watch.

I am aware, but TBR is a very major organisation that has stood for a very long time and to lose it suddenly and unexpectedly would not go down well for the gameplay community.
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that this is not motivated by defending, because one of the basic tenets of defending is to not liberate against natives and this is what would happen. I would say this is motivated by personal issues between certain players.
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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:33 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:Then why? What would this even achieve in the end?

The WAs of TBR being tied up for a little bit longer, likely the end of their on-going occupation in Atheist Empire, and getting the word out about exactly how TBR came to be so active.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:36 am

Weed wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:Then why? What would this even achieve in the end?

The WAs of TBR being tied up for a little bit longer, likely the end of their on-going occupation in Atheist Empire, and getting the word out about exactly how TBR came to be so active.

Ah, so that explains it. Well thing is, Defenders have nothing to gain out of this; other raiding organisation on the other hand do, which is what concerns me now.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:38 am

Topid, please could you change that troll image in the OP - it's not going to help the tone of the debate.

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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:39 am

*sigh* No fun Sedge, but since you asked of course.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:40 am

Thanks.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:57 am

There are so many grammatical errors in this, yet I have the feeling that this BS is going to be successful. :eyebrow:
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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:00 am

I see I left a comma out of the "The World Assembly" bit, but other than that it all looks correct to me. If anyone points out a serious error (the comma I do not care about) I don't mind re-submitting most likely. I have more stamps than I'll ever use. :P

EDIT: Ohhh, now I see where I left out the word.
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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:17 am

I'm going to be re-submitting this as the OP indicates. I'm going to let the one that is up sit for a few days since there is one proposal to go up before us. Never-the-less I'll be TGing all the delegates again with another run-down of what has happened with TBR.

As a separate note, I've removed the mention of LKE until I can listen to what Onder has to say. It does seem believable that since manual recruitment doesn't need a key he and LKE had no knowledge that his manual recruitment was not on the up and up. It was unfair for me to have lumped them in as "having used" that script. I apologize to Onder and LKE as a whole, not that it will count for anything (which is fair enough).
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Postby Arctriul » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:26 am

Full support on this

I'd love to see how many people would actually fight for TBR now that they aren't exactly the powerhouse they formerly were.

And luke - an end of TBR wouldn't create a stagnant Gameplay. It'd make for more meaningful military gameplay rather then grieving 50 communities an update.
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Postby Jakker » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:53 am

TBR would be moving to another home region regardless since it is now founderless. Changing regions, as was shown by DEN, does not necessarily mean, will stop TBR. :P
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Postby Weed » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:57 am

So they'll just abandon the old region? I agree it is probably the smarter decision as even Nazi Europe eventually decided to do so. But people tend to not want their region that they've lived in for years to fall into enemy hands (as did eventually happen with NE).
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Postby Jakker » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:11 am

Weed wrote:So they'll just abandon the old region? I agree it is probably the smarter decision as even Nazi Europe eventually decided to do so. But people tend to not want their region that they've lived in for years to fall into enemy hands (as did eventually happen with NE).


I did not say that they would want their region getting in the hands of someone else and many things have to happen for it to occur, but even if TBR were to claim the delegacy, it would make the most sense to move elsewhere. Otherwise, WA nations are tied up and the threat of a raid is there. I cannot speak for them, however.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:01 am

Today, justice arrives on the black rider's doorstep. Like the thousands of regions they have raided, and the thousands of natives they displaced now can take their revenge. Their revenge on the most evil, diabolical raiding organization ever.

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Postby Ghant » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:07 am

Republic of Minerva wrote:Today, justice arrives on the black rider's doorstep. Like the thousands of regions they have raided, and the thousands of natives they displaced now can take their revenge. Their revenge on the most evil, diabolical raiding organization ever.

Full support, ofc.


You know what they say about karma, and paybacks.

In any event, it will be interesting to see how the situation unfolds. I expect it to be a great debate. Yet, imo, a day of rejoicing.
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Postby Geanna » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:09 am

Rejoined WA just to vote on this if it goes through.
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Postby CreepyCut » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:10 am

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Revenge of The Rper's.

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Postby Geanna » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:14 am

Ghant wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:Today, justice arrives on the black rider's doorstep. Like the thousands of regions they have raided, and the thousands of natives they displaced now can take their revenge. Their revenge on the most evil, diabolical raiding organization ever.

Full support, ofc.


You know what they say about karma, and paybacks.

In any event, it will be interesting to see how the situation unfolds. I expect it to be a great debate. Yet, imo, a day of rejoicing.


I think it's quite entertaining, and even more so if the RP community suddenly floods enlistment into the WA just to smother the TBR under the collective pillow of years of frustration and utter annoyance.
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