[PASSED] Rights of Indigenous Peoples

[Imperium Anglorum]

just before Tomb stepped down

Which reminds me, what happened with that?

[Sainterre]

just before Tomb stepped down

Which reminds me, what happened with that?

He received a disturbing telegram from someone and as a result, he felt that he would be better off not being the delegate.

[Defwa]

Which reminds me, what happened with that?

He received a disturbing telegram from someone and as a result, he felt that he would be better off not being the delegate.

The hell?

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

He received a disturbing telegram from someone and as a result, he felt that he would be better off not being the delegate.

The hell?

Kinda happens when you are the delegate of the largest region in the game I suppose. It seems even in a game political leaders are not immune from assassination.

[Separatist Peoples]

Which reminds me, what happened with that?

He received a disturbing telegram from someone and as a result, he felt that he would be better off not being the delegate.

OOC: an event that requires no discussion in this thread, and, being the personal business of former Delegate Tomb, shouldn't be discussed in public at all.

[Mundiferrum]

"Spectacular. A shitty resolution passed by a landslide. I fucking love summer."

Talk to Ram. He voted for it to ensure it's passage. Also why did the NP delegate not vote on the matter?

Actually, he voted against, then for, then I started a sort of campaign to sway the votes in our region against (so he voted against), then for again. If my TEP legislation's right, the delegate has to represent the majority vote of the EP in the WA -- that means he had to vote against because most of the region was voting for, regardless of his personal opinions, or common sense.

[Jute]

The General Assembly resolution Rights of Indigenous Peoples was passed 9,611 votes to 5,657, and implemented in all WA member nations.

Which was followed immediately by natives beginning record amounts of human sacrifice, witch doctors killing patients with cultural medicine practices, and people generally engaging in backwards customs because they could...

Now I don't see why that should happen. They still have to comply with all other laws.

[Excidium Planetis]

Which was followed immediately by natives beginning record amounts of human sacrifice, witch doctors killing patients with cultural medicine practices, and people generally engaging in backwards customs because they could...

Now I don't see why that should happen. They still have to comply with all other laws.

No they don't. If nations attempt to enforce those laws, they are "forcibly limiting culture" which is against the Prohibits clause. Only International laws apply to the indigenous people, and there are no WA laws against murder.

[Jute]

Now I don't see why that should happen. They still have to comply with all other laws.

No they don't. If nations attempt to enforce those laws, they are "forcibly limiting culture" which is against the Prohibits clause. Only International laws apply to the indigenous people, and there are no WA laws against murder.

National law applies to all people in a nation, regardless of their ancestry., doesn't it?

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

No they don't. If nations attempt to enforce those laws, they are "forcibly limiting culture" which is against the Prohibits clause. Only International laws apply to the indigenous people, and there are no WA laws against murder.

National law applies to all people in a nation, regardless of their ancestry., doesn't it?

Not according to this travesty.

Prohibits member nations from forcibly assimilating indigenous peoples, or eradicating, reducing, or limiting their culture, with exceptions provided in cases in which existing international law prohibits specific practices of the indigenous peoples;

You can't apply laws to them without reducing or limiting their culture in some form. If they are required to follow the laws of your land, you have to assimilate them somewhat, now don't you?

[Excidium Planetis]

No they don't. If nations attempt to enforce those laws, they are "forcibly limiting culture" which is against the Prohibits clause. Only International laws apply to the indigenous people, and there are no WA laws against murder.

National law applies to all people in a nation, regardless of their ancestry., doesn't it?

Not under this resolution. This resolution prohibits nations from enforcing national law on indigenous people if the law limits their culture. If witch doctors and human sacrifice are part of their culture, then you can't limit it, even with national law. Your idealistic thinking simply isn't supported by the resolution.

[Jute]

National law applies to all people in a nation, regardless of their ancestry., doesn't it?

Not under this resolution. This resolution prohibits nations from enforcing national law on indigenous people if the law limits their culture. If witch doctors and human sacrifice are part of their culture, then you can't limit it, even with national law. Your idealistic thinking simply isn't supported by the resolution.

And how common is that, really? Human sacrifice? It seems like it has mainstream acceptance in some nations anyway.

[Excidium Planetis]

Not under this resolution. This resolution prohibits nations from enforcing national law on indigenous people if the law limits their culture. If witch doctors and human sacrifice are part of their culture, then you can't limit it, even with national law. Your idealistic thinking simply isn't supported by the resolution.

And how common is that, really? Human sacrifice? It seems like it has mainstream acceptance in some nations anyway.

Common Enough. Sure, some nations are accepting... but other nations aren't. Are you really for forcing those nations to allow murder against their will? It sickens me to think you would be totally okay with forcing some nations to legalize murder by small groups of privileged minorities.

[Jute]

And how common is that, really? Human sacrifice? It seems like it has mainstream acceptance in some nations anyway.

Common Enough. Sure, some nations are accepting... but other nations aren't. Are you really for forcing those nations to allow murder against their will? It sickens me to think you would be totally okay with forcing some nations to legalize murder by small groups of privileged minorities.

Don't assume that. All we need is a WA proposal codifying murder anyway, and the problem would already be solved.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Common Enough. Sure, some nations are accepting... but other nations aren't. Are you really for forcing those nations to allow murder against their will? It sickens me to think you would be totally okay with forcing some nations to legalize murder by small groups of privileged minorities.

Don't assume that. All we need is a WA proposal codifying murder anyway, and the problem would already be solved.

...and fraud, and theft, and assault, and excessive corporal punishment of children, and trespassing, and squatting, and gods know what else might be in well-intentioned, thoughtful, respectful nations' interest to prohibit for public health or other good reasons, none of which is the World Assembly's damn business!

[Dibeg]

well, the best repeal attempt already has 66 approvals...

[Excidium Planetis]

Common Enough. Sure, some nations are accepting... but other nations aren't. Are you really for forcing those nations to allow murder against their will? It sickens me to think you would be totally okay with forcing some nations to legalize murder by small groups of privileged minorities.

Don't assume that. All we need is a WA proposal codifying murder anyway, and the problem would already be solved.

All we need is to repeal the resolution, and the problem would already be solved. It isn't the WA's job to pass laws outlawing everything that could possibly be bad. (We'd have to outlaw murder, we'd have to outlaw theft, we'd have to outlaw unauthorized medical practices, etc...)

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Common Enough. Sure, some nations are accepting... but other nations aren't. Are you really for forcing those nations to allow murder against their will? It sickens me to think you would be totally okay with forcing some nations to legalize murder by small groups of privileged minorities.

Don't assume that. All we need is a WA proposal codifying murder anyway, and the problem would already be solved.

You seem to be mistaking the WA for some sort of actual government. Allow me to correct that mistake for you.