Sexism in the BC Tenancy Market?

[Infected Mushroom]

I can't speak for any other place because I don't have extensive experience perusing rent ads in those places.

But in British Columbia, more often than not (too often) you have posted ads over the internet that says a given place is only going to be rented to females.

''Females Only.''

I'm not going to comment on the legality of it (it might not even be legal) but isn't it technically discrimination? I think it is. Its also problematic because it makes it that much harder for a male to secure a place to stay in a part of the country where owning a house is becoming increasingly impossible due to outrageous housing prices.

I'm pretty sure if the ad had said instead, ''Whites Only'' or ''Straight People Only'' there would be a serious outcry of some kind. That would clearly be discrimination. So why is it okay to advertise a rent offer as being only open to ''females''?

I have an uncle who also only rents his place to ''females.'' He tells me that its because males are more likely to ''cause trouble'' or ''be messy.'' I wonder how pervasive this stereotype is.

What do you think?

Is it sexism to rent only to females? Why or why not?

[Parhe]

I believe it is sexist. The only exception of sex discrimination I would possibly be okay with is if there were already tenants, I hope I spelled that correctly, and they, or the individual requested only same sex tenants. Though I find it partly funny because I have yet to meet anyone cleaner than me.

EDIT: As for reason why I feel it is obvious since it is purposely discriminating against a group of people, particularly based off something they cannot control. The only argument I can think of is whether this is justified sexism, which I personally don't believe it is, and not really if it is sexism.

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe it is sexist. The only exception of sex discrimination I would possibly be okay with is if there were already tenants, I hope I spelled that correctly, and they, or the individual requested only same sex tenants. Though I find it partly funny because I have yet to meet anyone cleaner than me.

one thing I really don't understand is why sometimes a female on a university campus wants to sublet for the summer. Only ONE person can occupy that room and its not part of some joint suit or anything.

And the rent offer would say...

''Female only.''

Why do you even CARE who occupies your room when you're gone for the summer so long as you get paid for it?!!!

What does gender even have to do with it...

[Ashmoria]

if it is renting a spot in your own home then I think its fine. if its renting a house or apartment I don't understand why it isn't against the law.

[Infected Mushroom]

if it is renting a spot in your own home then I think its fine. if its renting a house or apartment I don't understand why it isn't against the law.

so it's okay if I rent a bedroom in my house and say on the ad ''I'm only renting to Whites''?

Somehow I don't think that would fly too well.

[Parhe]

I believe it is sexist. The only exception of sex discrimination I would possibly be okay with is if there were already tenants, I hope I spelled that correctly, and they, or the individual requested only same sex tenants. Though I find it partly funny because I have yet to meet anyone cleaner than me.

one thing I really don't understand is why sometimes a female on a university campus wants to sublet for the summer. Only ONE person can occupy that room and its not part of some joint suit or anything.

And the rent offer would say...

''Female only.''

Why do you even CARE who occupies your room when you're gone for the summer so long as you get paid for it?!!!

What does gender even have to do with it...

I never understood why but that may be because sex and gender is usually nothing to me and I don't attach generalizations to either. But I know a lot of people like to generalize others and make assumptions because of how a person was born or decides to identify.

[Infected Mushroom]

one thing I really don't understand is why sometimes a female on a university campus wants to sublet for the summer. Only ONE person can occupy that room and its not part of some joint suit or anything.

And the rent offer would say...

''Female only.''

Why do you even CARE who occupies your room when you're gone for the summer so long as you get paid for it?!!!

What does gender even have to do with it...

I never understood why but that may be because sex and gender is usually nothing to me and I don't attach generalizations to either. But I know a lot of people like to generalize others and make assumptions because of how a person was born or decides to identify.

I don't like it

[Ashmoria]

if it is renting a spot in your own home then I think its fine. if its renting a house or apartment I don't understand why it isn't against the law.

so it's okay if I rent a bedroom in my house and say on the ad ''I'm only renting to Whites''?

Somehow I don't think that would fly too well.

yes. when its your own home you get to discriminate. bad wording might cause you other troubles though.

[Parhe]

if it is renting a spot in your own home then I think its fine. if its renting a house or apartment I don't understand why it isn't against the law.

so it's okay if I rent a bedroom in my house and say on the ad ''I'm only renting to Whites''?

Somehow I don't think that would fly too well.

Unfortunately racism is generally frowned upon more than sexism. They should both be done away with in my opinion and all pronouns should be made either gender less or based off of sex (which I though was the case but a lot of people on NS told me were based off gender which leaves me with fewer pronouns to use for myself)

[Infected Mushroom]

so it's okay if I rent a bedroom in my house and say on the ad ''I'm only renting to Whites''?

Somehow I don't think that would fly too well.

yes. when its your own home you get to discriminate. bad wording might cause you other troubles though.

I'm not sure you can.

Because race is a protected ground under the federal Canada Human Rights Act (for some reason though, I don't think sex is, maybe they have added it now I'd have to double-check).

In Admin Law we read a case about someone trying to sue a landlord in Canada for allegedly not renting to Jamaicans.

It just seems a bit of a double standard though if I can deny someone a room because of his sex, but not because of his race. Both should be prohibited or allowed.

There are very few cases though because in most cases, people don't bring an application to the Tribunal (they simply move on to a different ad).

[New Skaaneland]

They say two wrongs doesn't make one right. It should be legal to niche a certein service for one sex. However I do realise that something needs to be done to combat feminism as they wouldn't have had the same respect.

[Alyakia]

I believe it is sexist. The only exception of sex discrimination I would possibly be okay with is if there were already tenants, I hope I spelled that correctly, and they, or the individual requested only same sex tenants. Though I find it partly funny because I have yet to meet anyone cleaner than me.

one thing I really don't understand is why sometimes a female on a university campus wants to sublet for the summer. Only ONE person can occupy that room and its not part of some joint suit or anything.

And the rent offer would say...

''Female only.''

Why do you even CARE who occupies your room when you're gone for the summer so long as you get paid for it?!!!

What does gender even have to do with it...

have you never met someone that gets weird about someone of the opposite sex in their room

[Ifreann]

one thing I really don't understand is why sometimes a female on a university campus wants to sublet for the summer. Only ONE person can occupy that room and its not part of some joint suit or anything.

And the rent offer would say...

''Female only.''

Why do you even CARE who occupies your room when you're gone for the summer so long as you get paid for it?!!!

What does gender even have to do with it...

have you never met someone that gets weird about someone of the opposite sex in their room

This is obviously discrimination against rooms.

[Chessmistress]

That's a prejudice, and prejudices are not a good thing, but there are two points:
First: it's a prejudice based on real facts - males are much more likely - 13 times - to commit crimes than women - check it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcera ... States#Men

As of December 2013, the male prison population in the United States was 1,463,454, while the female population was 111,287.

Second: it's a personal choice of the renter.

[Galloism]

That's a prejudice, and prejudices are not a good thing, but there are two points:
First: it's a prejudice based on real facts - males are much more likely - 13 times - to commit crimes than women - check it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcera ... States#Men

As of December 2013, the male prison population in the United States was 1,463,454, while the female population was 111,287.

Second: it's a personal choice of the renter.

Glad you support discrimination against black renters.

Also, much more likely to be *convicted* of committing crimes, and go to jail for such crimes, which is a significant difference than much more likely to commit crimes.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Second: it's a personal choice of the renter.

And I'm sure it would be a far different tune if it were advertised as "men only".

[Parhe]

That's a prejudice, and prejudices are not a good thing, but there are two points:
First: it's a prejudice based on real facts - males are much more likely - 13 times - to commit crimes than women - check it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcera ... States#Men

As of December 2013, the male prison population in the United States was 1,463,454, while the female population was 111,287.

Second: it's a personal choice of the renter.

Oh so people should be allowed to discriminate against whomever they want?

[Alyakia]

Second: it's a personal choice of the renter.

And I'm sure it would be a far different tune if it were advertised as "men only".

maybe but it really depends on the circumstances

nobody has a problem with male only roommates or male only dorms, this is effectively just an extension of that

[Chessmistress]

Glad you support discrimination against black renters.

Also, much more likely to be *convicted* of committing crimes, and go to jail for such crimes, which is a significant difference than much more likely to commit crimes.

I don't see references about "black renters".
I don't get the difference between "convicted of commiting crimes" and actually commiting crimes: women are 13 times less likely to be "convicted of commiting crimes" so that means women are 13 times less likely of commiting crimes.
It's fair such prejudice that against males? No, I don't think prejudices are fair, never.
But as you can see there are good reasons. As long as typical masculine behaviors (including dominance and violence) will be taught to males, they'll be generally much more likely to commit crimes than women, and some people will take their precautions.

[Parhe]

And I'm sure it would be a far different tune if it were advertised as "men only".

maybe but it really depends on the circumstances

nobody has a problem with male only roommates or male only dorms, this is effectively just an extension of that

I don't know exactly who you mean by nobody. I have a problem with male only dorms and to a lesser extent roommates.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Glad you support discrimination against black renters.

Also, much more likely to be *convicted* of committing crimes, and go to jail for such crimes, which is a significant difference than much more likely to commit crimes.

I don't see references about "black renters".
I don't get the difference between "convicted of commiting crimes" and actually commiting crimes: women are 13 times less likely to be "convicted of commiting crimes" so that means women are 13 times less likely of commiting crimes.
It's fair such prejudice that against males? No, I don't think prejudices are fair, never.
But as you can see there are good reasons. As long as typical masculine behaviors (including dominance and violence) will be taught to males, they'll be generally much more likely to commit crimes than women, and some people will take their precautions.

I guess he's inferring from your conclusion that, as black people are more likely (by proportion of population) to be sentenced for committing a crime (it could be better worded), you'd support discriminating against black renters.

[Alyakia]

maybe but it really depends on the circumstances

nobody has a problem with male only roommates or male only dorms, this is effectively just an extension of that

I don't know exactly who you mean by nobody. I have a problem with male only dorms and to a lesser extent roommates.

oh then let me downgrade it to most people.

[Parhe]

Glad you support discrimination against black renters.

Also, much more likely to be *convicted* of committing crimes, and go to jail for such crimes, which is a significant difference than much more likely to commit crimes.

I don't see references about "black renters".
I don't get the difference between "convicted of commiting crimes" and actually commiting crimes: women are 13 times less likely to be "convicted of commiting crimes" so that means women are 13 times less likely of commiting crimes.
It's fair such prejudice that against males? No, I don't think prejudices are fair, never.
But as you can see there are good reasons. As long as typical masculine behaviors (including dominance and violence) will be taught to males, they'll be generally much more likely to commit crimes than women, and some people will take their precautions.

Point was that some people don't think data justifies, even to a worthy extent, discrimination, regardless of it being sex, sexual orientation, religion, or race.

[Galloism]

Glad you support discrimination against black renters.

Also, much more likely to be *convicted* of committing crimes, and go to jail for such crimes, which is a significant difference than much more likely to commit crimes.

I don't see references about "black renters".
I don't get the difference between "convicted of commiting crimes" and actually commiting crimes: women are 13 times less likely to be "convicted of commiting crimes" so that means women are 13 times less likely of commiting crimes.
It's fair such prejudice that against males? No, I don't think prejudices are fair, never.
But as you can see there are good reasons. As long as typical masculine behaviors (including dominance and violence) will be taught to males, they'll be generally much more likely to commit crimes than women, and some people will take their precautions.

No, the question of whether a person committed a crime or not is a question of fact, not a question of verdict. Just because a group is convicted more often doesn't mean that they're actually committing crimes more often.

The war on drugs is a good example.

Women are far less likely to be convicted of crimes when arrested, get lighter sentences, and are much more likely to avoid prison entirely when convicted of the same crimes as men.

[Galloism]

I don't see references about "black renters".
I don't get the difference between "convicted of commiting crimes" and actually commiting crimes: women are 13 times less likely to be "convicted of commiting crimes" so that means women are 13 times less likely of commiting crimes.
It's fair such prejudice that against males? No, I don't think prejudices are fair, never.
But as you can see there are good reasons. As long as typical masculine behaviors (including dominance and violence) will be taught to males, they'll be generally much more likely to commit crimes than women, and some people will take their precautions.

I guess he's inferring from your conclusion that, as black people are more likely (by proportion of population) to be sentenced for committing a crime (it could be better worded), you'd support discriminating against black renters.

Bingo. Black people make up 39.6% of the prison population, but only 13% of the general population.

EDIT: Mea culpa, just checked, 13%