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What is your nation's stance on MSM blood donation?

Poll ended at Sun May 03, 2015 10:45 am

MSM should be allowed to donate blood.
5
13%
MSM should not be allowed to donate blood.
3
8%
Anybody with HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.
30
79%
Other
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Total votes : 38

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Kermana
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MSM Blood Donation

Postby Kermana » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:45 am

According to the research that our Ministry of Health has compiled, HIV is definitely a serious issue amongst the MSM community. However, the debate has risen in our nation that MSM are not the only people who have HIV, and is discriminatory to solely exclude MSM from donating blood.

Which brings us to the question, what is your nation's position on allowing men who have sex with men (MSM) to donate blood for organ transplants?

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Postby Esternial » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:48 am

This topic probably belongs in F&NI. General is a forum about real-life topics, without any nation roleplay whatsoever.

You should probably post in Moderation to have it moved.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:13 am

For a second I thought this was about the real life issue of the fact there is a ban against blood donations by homosexual males who happen to be sexually active.

Oh well.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:17 am

Anyone who has HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.
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Postby Miletos » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:19 am

The problem with this is that in a poll where you're only allowed to pick one option, 1 and 3 are not mutually exclusive and they're both positions I support.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:28 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:Anyone who has HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.

So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:29 am

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Anyone who has HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.

So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?

They may get HIV.
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Postby Miletos » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:29 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Benuty wrote:So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?

They may get HIV.


So might heterosexual people. Should we just ban everyone who isn't celibate from donating blood?
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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:30 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Benuty wrote:So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?

They may get HIV.

You are aware heterosexual males have just as much as a chance to get HIV right?

By that logic all heterosexual men are secretly having sex with gay males. Funny enough lesbians are not forbidden from given blood donations.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:30 am

Miletos wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:They may get HIV.


So might heterosexual people. Should we just ban everyone who isn't celibate from donating blood?

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:31 am

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:They may get HIV.

You are aware heterosexual males have just as much as a chance to get HIV right?

By that logic all heterosexual men are secretly having sex with gay males. Funny enough lesbians are not forbidden from given blood donations.

I did not know that.
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Postby Miletos » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:31 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Miletos wrote:
So might heterosexual people. Should we just ban everyone who isn't celibate from donating blood?

I don't care much about this.


That's not a justification for spewing forth a viewpoint which is discriminatory and completely moronic.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:31 am

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Miletos wrote:
So might heterosexual people. Should we just ban everyone who isn't celibate from donating blood?

I don't care much about this.

You should since blood donations can often be the difference between life, and death in certain cases.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:34 am

Miletos wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I don't care much about this.


That's not a justification for spewing forth a viewpoint which is discriminatory and completely moronic.

I just said that people with HIV should be prohibited from donating blood.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:35 am

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:They may get HIV.

You are aware heterosexual males have just as much as a chance to get HIV right?

By that logic all heterosexual men are secretly having sex with gay males.


We are.

Right :unsure:
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:48 am

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Anyone who has HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.

So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?


same reason people that lived in europe for more than six months between 1980-1996 are forbidden from donating blood

well, not the exact same reason, but same logic
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:17 pm

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:Anyone who has HIV should not be allowed to donate blood.

So then why are gay males without HIV (or for that matter STD's of any kind) forbidden from donating blood?

It takes up to 3 months for a person to test positive for HIV using the most common(and affordable) antibodies test.

Given that roughly 3.8 % of the population is LGBT* and maybe half of that are MSM a MSM restriction has a minimal effect on blood supply. Also the high numbers of msm with HIV who do not realize they have HIV is cause for concern.**









*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States
**http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/26/study-20-of-homosexual-men-are-hiv-positive-but-only-half-know-it/
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:20 pm

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:They may get HIV.

You are aware heterosexual males have just as much as a chance to get HIV right?

By that logic all heterosexual men are secretly having sex with gay males. Funny enough lesbians are not forbidden from given blood donations.

By act sure. The problem is the biggest risk for HIV transmission is receptive Anal intercourse. It is hard for a man to have receptive anal intercourse with a source of infection and still avoid being the title man who has sex with men.

Here are the rates of infection.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html
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Postby New Werpland » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:23 pm

People with HIV should be allowed to donate blood! what's wrong with you people?

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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:05 pm

greed and death wrote:
Benuty wrote:You are aware heterosexual males have just as much as a chance to get HIV right?

By that logic all heterosexual men are secretly having sex with gay males. Funny enough lesbians are not forbidden from given blood donations.

By act sure. The problem is the biggest risk for HIV transmission is receptive Anal intercourse. It is hard for a man to have receptive anal intercourse with a source of infection and still avoid being the title man who has sex with men.

Here are the rates of infection.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html


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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:07 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
greed and death wrote:By act sure. The problem is the biggest risk for HIV transmission is receptive Anal intercourse. It is hard for a man to have receptive anal intercourse with a source of infection and still avoid being the title man who has sex with men.

Here are the rates of infection.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html


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Postby Bachmann America » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:20 pm

Not only is it unsafe but allowing homosexuals to donate blood would encourage immorality and encourage people to join the homosexual lifestyle.

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Postby Benuty » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:22 pm

Bachmann America wrote:Not only is it unsafe but allowing homosexuals to donate blood would encourage immorality and encourage people to join the homosexual lifestyle.

Nice puppet Archeuland aren't you Delete on Sight though?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:33 pm

Benuty wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:Not only is it unsafe but allowing homosexuals to donate blood would encourage immorality and encourage people to join the homosexual lifestyle.

Nice puppet Archeuland aren't you Delete on Sight though?

Actually, suspecting the same, I went looking. This one does not appear at a brief glance to be a previous DOS user, Archeuland or otherwise. A quick look at their posting style doesn't promise a particularly long or fruitful NSG career though.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:58 pm

Bachmann America wrote:Not only is it unsafe but allowing homosexuals to donate blood would encourage immorality and encourage people to join the homosexual lifestyle.

Good.

MSM blood donation is fine. They already test blood for HIV. Even so, a failure in the system is extremely rare.

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