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Kneel and live?

We do not kneel
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Kneel
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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

We Do Not Kneel

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:05 pm

You are the leader of a revolutionary cause or an ideology you really believe in.

Your people have fought valiantly but you as the leader, have been captured.

You are told by the dictatorship government that if you, as the leader of your cause, kneel and surrender your people over to the government, your life will be spared and everyone involved in the resistance will be pardoned. However, you and your followers will be expected to fight as front-line soldiers in a foreign war for the benefit of the dictatorship.

If you do not kneel, they will sentence you to die in a very unpleasant manner in front of your followers.

_____________

I would not kneel. We do not kneel.

There are some things more important than life and death such as belief in Freedom and Honor. We only have a limited number of days to make a real difference and to take a stand in this world. It is better to leave the world with some dignity than to betray your ideals.

Death is not an easy thing to face and neither is pain, but it's a true test of character.

_____________

Do you kneel? Why or why not? How would you justify your decision?

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Cosedonia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cosedonia » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:06 pm

woah..deep..

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United Russian Soviet States
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Ex-Nation

Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:07 pm

I would not kneel.
This nation does not represent my views.
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Grand Calvert
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Ex-Nation

Postby Grand Calvert » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:07 pm

If the leader of a cause gives up, then almost everyone else in the cause will give up.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:10 pm

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Well i totally don't know what this was inspired by.

Nope not at all.

In the end, i dont know, depends on how many peoples lives where at stake.
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Psuedopolis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Psuedopolis » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:13 pm

I wouldn't go down without a fight!

I believe the phrase is "NUTS!"
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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:13 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:...

Well i totally don't know what this was inspired by.

Nope not at all.

In the end, i dont know, depends on how many peoples lives where at stake.


lots of lives are stake

we're at war

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:14 pm

This essentially happened in our nation's history. Revolutionary leader Nathan Reed was captured and ordered to surrender himself and his cause to the Empire of Wallenburg. Reed refused and was forced onto the battlefront unarmed, where he was mowed down by a Castillian machine gun.

He now has a statue in Independence Square. Long live the Revolution.
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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:16 pm

Wallenburg wrote:This essentially happened in our nation's history. Revolutionary leader Nathan Reed was captured and ordered to surrender himself and his cause to the Empire of Wallenburg. Reed refused and was forced onto the battlefront unarmed, where he was mowed down by a Castillian machine gun.

He now has a statue in Independence Square. Long live the Revolution.


I see...

interesting...

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:...

Well i totally don't know what this was inspired by.

Nope not at all.

In the end, i dont know, depends on how many peoples lives where at stake.


lots of lives are stake

we're at war
Then again we can all say we would die for are cause as much as we would like, but in the end alot of us would not know what we would do unless we were actually in that situation directly. So again i dont know, i would have to go through all of this fighting and turmoil myself, experience the loss and the battles, see how its affected others (not just my own but those not involved as well as the enemy) and decide if its worth continuing, or if submitting will be better in the long run. As well as what the other way this Dictatorship is involved in is about.
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Paper Sprite
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Founded: Apr 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Paper Sprite » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:21 pm

Kneel and be really really shit in the foreign war.

In your face, dictator.

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Valloria
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Postby Valloria » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:25 pm

The quest of life is to avoid pain. Everything we do is to avoid pain. We work to avoid the pain of homelessness and hunger. We lie to each other to avoid the pain of heartbreak and emotional misunderstanding. We lie to ourselves to ignore the pain caused by heartbreak and emotional misunderstanding. There is nothing but pain in this world, and as sentient beings, we do our best to avoid it ourselves at all costs. And if we can't avoid it, we do our best to block it out. If we fail, we become depressed. If we fail depression, we kill ourselves to end the pain.

Death by torture is not a pleasant way to go. Thus, I opt to kneel. To save my own skin, albeit dishonorable. But what is honor if there is no-one to have it. I'd rather save the lives of all those within my movement by kneeling than watch them all die by not doing so.
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Mefpan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Mefpan » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:25 pm

Because dictatorships are known for staying true to their promises.

You know how that fighting in a foreign war in exchange for your life would look? Penal batallions. Shittiest equipment there is, hardest assignments there are. gg no re

fuck kneeling
I support thermonuclear warfare. Do you want to play a game of chess?
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Valloria
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Postby Valloria » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:27 pm

Mefpan wrote:Because dictatorships are known for staying true to their promises.

You know how that fighting in a foreign war in exchange for your life would look? Penal batallions. Shittiest equipment there is, hardest assignments there are. gg no re

fuck kneeling

This is a kingdom led by Stannis Baratheon, if you didn't notice.
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New Skaaneland
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Skaaneland » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:29 pm

I think this is situational. Right now there seems to be things worth dying for and fewer things to live for, but even if one already made the choice of death there could be more important things to die for than the one closest at hand.. and things keep changing so quickly, in ways which reasonably couldn't have happened. It's all making me very confused.
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Mefpan
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Postby Mefpan » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Valloria wrote:
Mefpan wrote:Because dictatorships are known for staying true to their promises.

You know how that fighting in a foreign war in exchange for your life would look? Penal batallions. Shittiest equipment there is, hardest assignments there are. gg no re

fuck kneeling

This is a kingdom led by Stannis Baratheon, if you didn't notice.

I recognize the GoT reference, but other than that my entire knowledge ranges from everyone of actual political importance in GoT being an asshole at best or a horrible asshole at worst.
I support thermonuclear warfare. Do you want to play a game of chess?
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Yeah, Screw Realism!
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Spoder
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Postby Spoder » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:34 pm

Aegon the Conqueror wasn't a complete asshole.

And the difference is that Torrhen had a shitton of people to look after and this dictator's power could not be matched in any way.
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Valloria
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Postby Valloria » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:37 pm

Mefpan wrote:
Valloria wrote:This is a kingdom led by Stannis Baratheon, if you didn't notice.

I recognize the GoT reference, but other than that my entire knowledge ranges from everyone of actual political importance in GoT being an asshole at best or a horrible asshole at worst.

Stannis is the Mannis
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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:38 pm

"Bending the knee" is the hip term these days, grandpa.

Nice GoT topic, though.
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Caribica
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Postby Caribica » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:46 pm

Better to die on my feet than live on my knees.
Plus, I get to be a martyr, which is really cool.

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Scepez
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Ex-Nation

Postby Scepez » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:49 pm

If a revolution or uprising is what the people truly want, it can succeed without a leader, so viva la revolución.

Or something.
???

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The Liberated Territories
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Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:52 pm

I'll kneel to no tyrant! Except my mother.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:53 pm

Caribica wrote:Better to die on my feet than live on my knees.
Plus, I get to be a martyr, which is really cool.

Yes, having your face end up on a t shirt, mugs and eventually being associated with cannabis because that's also kinda sorta related to your act of rebellion is totes cool.

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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would not kneel. We do not kneel.

There are some things more important than life and death such as belief in Freedom and Honor. We only have a limited number of days to make a real difference and to take a stand in this world. It is better to leave the world with some dignity than to betray your ideals.

Death is not an easy thing to face and neither is pain, but it's a true test of character.

Or be smart, kneel, and then continue with whatever you were doing once you've been released.

Dying for your ideals is cools and all, but I'd rather weasel out on death and continue my fight than be an idiot and die because I've got some Sean Bean complex.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Sanctissima » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:You are the leader of a revolutionary cause or an ideology you really believe in.

Your people have fought valiantly but you as the leader, have been captured.

You are told by the dictatorship government that if you, as the leader of your cause, kneel and surrender your people over to the government, your life will be spared and everyone involved in the resistance will be pardoned. However, you and your followers will be expected to fight as front-line soldiers in a foreign war for the benefit of the dictatorship.

If you do not kneel, they will sentence you to die in a very unpleasant manner in front of your followers.

_____________

I would not kneel. We do not kneel.

There are some things more important than life and death such as belief in Freedom and Honor. We only have a limited number of days to make a real difference and to take a stand in this world. It is better to leave the world with some dignity than to betray your ideals.

Death is not an easy thing to face and neither is pain, but it's a true test of character.

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Do you kneel? Why or why not? How would you justify your decision?


Depends.

If the revolutionaries had a pretty good chance of succeeding without me, I wouldn't kneel.

If we were just a small ragtag group, I'd kneel, but when we made it to the enemy frontline I'd make an alliance with them, and continue fighting against the dictatorial government.

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