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What should be the name of the country that's holding the referendum?

1) Lesser @@NAME@@
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2) Lesser Bigtopia
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3) Something else (please tell us below!)
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[Submitted] Ungrateful Separatists have Buyer's Remorse

Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:39 am

The Republic of Lesser @@NAME@@, a small country that is 93% ethnic @@DEMONYM@@, has recently been having economic and political difficulties. The government there is holding a referendum on whether to merge with @@NAME@@ as a means of resolving its unending problems.

[validity]:all

[option] ''It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!'' cries a heavily tattooed cousin of yours. ''I say we should take our siblings under our wing once more. To ensure a smooth reunification, remember that we have to be peaceful about it. Let them have this referendum, let them decide... and campaign heavily for them to join up with us. Respect the system.''
[effect] @@LEADER@@ is being photographed more in Lesser @@NAME@@ than in @@NAME@@ itself

[option] ''Why wait?'' asks @@RANDOMNAME@@, your most disturbingly trigger-happy advisor. ''I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture -- it just makes perfect sense for that place to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now? I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that ethnic-Lilliputian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans as Lilliputians?''
[effect] @@NAME@@ has invaded and conquered its little brother

[option] ''In case nobody has noticed...'' observes @@RANDOMNAME@@, a noted historian. ''There is a reason why Lesser @@NAME@@ is no longer a part of our country. They fought a very bloody war years ago to separate from us. The country since then has endured political chaos and severe economic issues. It's time to face the facts: @@NAME@@ would have to pour in billions of @@CURRENCY@@s in order to bring this new province up to the living standards of our country. Say 'no' to this referendum!''
[effect] Lesser @@NAME@@ is widely mocked for having been rejected in its bid to unite with @@NAME@@
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Postby Zunkwentania » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:41 am

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:The Republic of Lesser @@NAME@@, a small country that is 93% @@DEMONYM@@, has recently been having economic and political difficulties. The government there is holding a referendum on whether to merge with @@NAME@@ or not as a means of ending their unending problems.

[validity]:all

[option] ''It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!'' cries your heavily tattooed cousin'' I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture, the place just makes perfect sense to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now! I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that ethnic-Bigtopian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans like Bigtopians?''
[effect] the nation has invaded and conquered its little brother.

[option] ''Woah, woah!'' cautions @@RANDOMNAME@@ ''Now, I'm not saying we should not take our siblings under our wing. It's just that we have to be peaceful about it. Let them have this referendum, let them decide... and campaign heavily for them to join up with us. Respect the system.''
[effect] @@LEADER@@ is being photographed more in Lesser @@NAME@@ than in their own country.

[option] ''In case nobody has noticed...'' observes @@RANDOMNAME@@, a historian ''... there is a reason why they aren't already a part of our country. They fought a very bloody war 200 years ago to separate from us. The country since then has had 4 monarchs, 6 coups, 10 dictatorships and severe economic issues. We can't just let their leadership pass these problems over onto your already full plate @@LEADER@@. Without consulting you first to boot. Publicly say no to this unification, and no to being the solver of everyone's problems!''
[effect] @@NAME@@ uses hundreds of year old excuses to justify it's actions.

Try Lesser Bigtopia as the name so you can keep the running joke going.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:05 pm

Zunkwentania wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:The Republic of Lesser @@NAME@@, a small country that is 93% @@DEMONYM@@, has recently been having economic and political difficulties. The government there is holding a referendum on whether to merge with @@NAME@@ or not as a means of ending their unending problems.

[validity]:all

[option] ''It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!'' cries your heavily tattooed cousin'' I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture, the place just makes perfect sense to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now! I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that ethnic-Bigtopian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans like Bigtopians?''
[effect] the nation has invaded and conquered its little brother.

[option] ''Woah, woah!'' cautions @@RANDOMNAME@@ ''Now, I'm not saying we should not take our siblings under our wing. It's just that we have to be peaceful about it. Let them have this referendum, let them decide... and campaign heavily for them to join up with us. Respect the system.''
[effect] @@LEADER@@ is being photographed more in Lesser @@NAME@@ than in their own country.

[option] ''In case nobody has noticed...'' observes @@RANDOMNAME@@, a historian ''... there is a reason why they aren't already a part of our country. They fought a very bloody war 200 years ago to separate from us. The country since then has had 4 monarchs, 6 coups, 10 dictatorships and severe economic issues. We can't just let their leadership pass these problems over onto your already full plate @@LEADER@@. Without consulting you first to boot. Publicly say no to this unification, and no to being the solver of everyone's problems!''
[effect] @@NAME@@ uses hundreds of year old excuses to justify it's actions.

Try Lesser Bigtopia as the name so you can keep the running joke going.


But that is not the point of this issue. Unless your nation is Bigtopia, then it would defeat the purpose/idea of this issue.
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Postby Zunkwentania » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:32 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Zunkwentania wrote:Try Lesser Bigtopia as the name so you can keep the running joke going.


But that is not the point of this issue. Unless your nation is Bigtopia, then it would defeat the purpose/idea of this issue.

Use that for the name of the country being Anschlussed.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:28 am

Zunkwentania wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
But that is not the point of this issue. Unless your nation is Bigtopia, then it would defeat the purpose/idea of this issue.

Use that for the name of the country being Anschlussed.


Edited to change the name of the country to Lesser Bigtopia.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:51 am

Reworked option 3. Still feels a little messy, but I hope this is an improvement over what was there before.
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Postby Czechostan » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:09 am

I like it. The third option still needs some tweaking. I reworded some sentences and deleted the specific tidbits of history. It should be up to the player to make up the specifics.
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:[option] ''In case nobody has noticed...'' observes @@RANDOMNAME@@, a historian ''... there is a reason why they are no longer a part of our country. They fought a very bloody war years ago to separate from us. The country since then has endured political chaos and severe economic issues. It's time to face the facts: @@NAME@@ would have to pour in billions of @@CURRENCY@@ in order to have this new province match the living standards of our country. Say 'no' to this referendum!''
[effect] the legal position of Lesser Bigtopia is uncertain following @@LEADER@@'s refusal to allow them to join the @@TYPE@@.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:10 pm

Czechostan wrote:I like it. The third option still needs some tweaking. I reworded some sentences and deleted the specific tidbits of history. It should be up to the player to make up the specifics.
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:[option] ''In case nobody has noticed...'' observes @@RANDOMNAME@@, a historian ''... there is a reason why they are no longer a part of our country. They fought a very bloody war years ago to separate from us. The country since then has endured political chaos and severe economic issues. It's time to face the facts: @@NAME@@ would have to pour in billions of @@CURRENCY@@ in order to have this new province match the living standards of our country. Say 'no' to this referendum!''
[effect] the legal position of Lesser Bigtopia is uncertain following @@LEADER@@'s refusal to allow them to join the @@TYPE@@.


Very crisp, effective option 3. It has been implemented wholly in the issue.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:42 pm

I have been wondering if the use of the word ''Anschluss'' is too.... charged. You see, it is in this context vaguely similar, but I am wondering if there might maybe be a better term out there for me to use in this title. Of course, if it isn't a problem, then I'll keep it and submit it tomorrow. :)
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Postby Golgothastan » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:40 am

Anschluss is a very particular term. To those who are familiar with German and Austrian history, it will have connotations of Naxi annexation. To those not familiar, it will be incomprehensible. Either way, I would suggest using a different name.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:29 pm

Golgothastan wrote:Anschluss is a very particular term. To those who are familiar with German and Austrian history, it will have connotations of Naxi annexation. To those not familiar, it will be incomprehensible. Either way, I would suggest using a different name.


Can't find a particularly good term, but you are right that ''Anschluss'' is too Nazi.

Still on the look-out for that sweet word that would be ideal for this title though.
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Postby Haleytinium » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:30 pm

Instead of "anschluss" use the term "annex". It's English and there are no bad connotations

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Postby Icrum » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:36 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:[option] "It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!" cries your heavily tattooed cousin "I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture, the place just makes perfect sense to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now! I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that small Liliputian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans like Liliputians anyways?"
[effect] @@NATION@@ has invaded and conquered its little brother.


I think that'll look better for option 1.
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Postby Czechostan » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:54 am

Icrum wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:[option] "It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!" cries your heavily tattooed cousin "I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture, the place just makes perfect sense to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now! I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that small Liliputian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans like Liliputians anyways?"
[effect] @@NATION@@ has invaded and conquered its little brother.


I think that'll look better for option 1.

@@NAME@@ is correct, not @@NATION@@
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Postby Icrum » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:23 am

Czechostan wrote:
Icrum wrote:
I think that'll look better for option 1.

@@NAME@@ is correct, not @@NATION@@
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=80

Right.......
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:56 am

Icrum wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:[option] "It'll be good to reunite with our ethnic kin!" cries your heavily tattooed cousin "I've been telling you for years to annex that place! Same language, same faith, same culture, the place just makes perfect sense to be a part of our glorious @@TYPE@@. It's been so long, why wait for the referendum when you can just annex them now! I'm sure they'll love it. Well, except maybe in that small Liliputian province of theirs, but who cares about such sub-humans like Liliputians anyways?"
[effect] @@NATION@@ has invaded and conquered its little brother.


I think that'll look better for option 1.


Added those edits I liked.

Anything else, or is it submission worthy? Still looking for a good title, but then again I like the one I have....
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:46 pm

Take out the Bigtopia and replace it with the NAME variable. I have to agree, using that name makes little sense.

EDIT: I also don't understand the "United States" in the title.
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Postby Golgothastan » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:55 pm

There's a bit of a disconnect between the issue and the options. In the issue, the Lesser Whatevers are holding a referendum on whether to join @@NAME@@. So why would the military rush an invasion? Why is it even @@NAME@@'s decision to make? In option 3, the advisor says: Say 'no' to this referendum! - but, it's Lesser Whatever that's holding the referendum. @@LEADER@@ doesn't have any say in it.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:56 pm

Golgothastan wrote:There's a bit of a disconnect between the issue and the options. In the issue, the Lesser Whatevers are holding a referendum on whether to join @@NAME@@. So why would the military rush an invasion? Why is it even @@NAME@@'s decision to make? In option 3, the advisor says: Say 'no' to this referendum! - but, it's Lesser Whatever that's holding the referendum. @@LEADER@@ doesn't have any say in it.


They have to choose whether or not to accept the new territory, don't they? They could easily not acknowledge the referendum and refuse to allow them to merge.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:09 pm

The effect for option 3 is not good. The legal stance IS clear. They're a seperate nation. End of discussion
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:43 am

Edited.

Valrifell wrote:
Golgothastan wrote:There's a bit of a disconnect between the issue and the options. In the issue, the Lesser Whatevers are holding a referendum on whether to join @@NAME@@. So why would the military rush an invasion? Why is it even @@NAME@@'s decision to make? In option 3, the advisor says: Say 'no' to this referendum! - but, it's Lesser Whatever that's holding the referendum. @@LEADER@@ doesn't have any say in it.


They have to choose whether or not to accept the new territory, don't they? They could easily not acknowledge the referendum and refuse to allow them to merge.


^This is what it is about. It's more about acceptance of the referendum, which would very much be in @@LEADER@@'s decision-making sphere. Option 1 is ''we are impatient, invade!'', option 2 is ''We want them to join! Campaign for it''. Option 3 is ''They are a separate country, don't let them join us!''.

I wonder what I ought to change in order to reflect this?

Australian Republic wrote:The effect for option 3 is not good. The legal stance IS clear. They're a seperate nation. End of discussion


Good call. Edited to address.
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Postby Fin Dovah Junaar » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:52 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Zunkwentania wrote:Try Lesser Bigtopia as the name so you can keep the running joke going.


But that is not the point of this issue. Unless your nation is Bigtopia, then it would defeat the purpose/idea of this issue.


It doesn't work with all nation names.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:59 pm

Fin Dovah Junaar wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
But that is not the point of this issue. Unless your nation is Bigtopia, then it would defeat the purpose/idea of this issue.


It doesn't work with all nation names.


It's unfortunate that not all nations will have it sound good, but oh well. The issue won't look good with my nation's name, so I know the feeling, but it's a small price to pay for most nations to enjoy a slightly more personalized issue. That's my feeling anyway.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:30 pm

Why does it need to be personalised? There are a few real life examples this could apply to, and they all have completely different names to their laeger counterparts.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:03 pm

Australian Republic wrote:Why does it need to be personalised? There are a few real life examples this could apply to, and they all have completely different names to their laeger counterparts.


True, true.

I've added a poll to settle this question once and for all. Enjoy!

Apart from (I hope) your vote in the poll, anything else, or is this submission worthy?
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