Transnational Political Parties

[L Ron Cupboard]

Could transnational political parties, parties that stand for election in a number of countries, ever become the norm, or will they always split back into country specific parties again?

Would you vote for one? Never being a nationalist I certainly would have no problem voting for one, if they had policies that appealed to me enough. It would make sense to me if there was a single European green party, I would have thought there would be enough common ground to not fracture back into smaller separate parties.

The only transnational party I can think of in my country, the UK, is Sinn Fein. Do people have any experience of them in other countries - like the Ba'ath Party for example?

[Confederate Ramenia]

They could be tolerable if they were more grassroots and not just controlled from afar, but that would defeat the purpose.

[Emerald-Springs]

Well, the European Parliament already has supranational political parties, but they operate more as federations of national parties.

I tend towards decentralism and localism in most matters, so I myself wouldn't be keen on voting for a transnational political party unless it had an exceptionally agreeable platform and didn't advocate international federalism or anything of the sort.

[New Werpland]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

[Arglorand]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

You know, Irishmen may exist in Northern Ireland.

[Chucky Arla]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

They expect to get votes because they have significant support. It's pretty basic.

[Old Tyrannia]

I tend to distrust them, as by their very nature they tend to encourage loyalty to some international ideal or goal over loyalty to the nation they are operating in. There's enough of a problem already with politicians favouring their party's interests over the interests of the country.

[Totenkopfland]

Most politcal parties today are internationalist in conduct anyway.

Either for Capitalism or Marxist Socialism, what the hell could people benefit from and even shittier version of the system we already have?

Fuck Globalism and internationalism, people aren't all the same and they should adress problems according to their need, by people who actually understand the situations in all the different nations of the world, not conflate and overcentralize it to some ponce in a differant country who has no care for them or firshand experiance.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The Nazi Party was somewhat like that. I mean, there were separate organizations in different countries, but they would hold meetings where representatives from all the Nazi Parties got together to coordinate their strategy.

I don't think the concept of transnational political parties is inherently bad, but they don't have a great track record. Nazis, Ba'ath, and Sinn Fein... Yeah, I'm not voting for those.

The thing is, every country has its own unique issues, so it's difficult to create a transnational party that will address those issues as effectively as a domestic party that has tailored itself to the country's needs.

[New Werpland]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

You know, Irishmen may exist in Northern Ireland.

Didn't think of that

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

They expect to get votes because they have significant support. It's pretty basic.

Yeah but I would hesitate to call them a "Transnational party" when there simply just appealing to a minority of a country that shouldn't even exist. I think the idea of a Transnational party that the op was trying to convey was a non nationalistic, but ideological party that can appeal to multiple nationalities, the example of the Ba'ath Party made more sense.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

Northern Ireland is in the UK, and Sinn Fein always had people there. I don't think they're getting a lot of English votes.

[L Ron Cupboard]

The thing is, every country has its own unique issues, so it's difficult to create a transnational party that will address those issues as effectively as a domestic party that has tailored itself to the country's needs.

I think with something like climate change, that will affect all the countries of the world, there is an issue that a transnational party could be more effective at.

[Chucky Arla]

You know, Irishmen may exist in Northern Ireland.

Didn't think of that

They expect to get votes because they have significant support. It's pretty basic.

Yeah but I would hesitate to call them a "Transnational party" when there simply just appealing to a minority of a country that shouldn't even exist. I think the idea of a Transnational party that the op was trying to convey was a non nationalistic, but ideological party that can appeal to multiple nationalities, the example of the Ba'ath Party made more sense.

I think the OP explicitly stated what they were trying to convey and it doesn't match the words you're trying to put in their mouth. The OP believes that the North of ireland and the republic are two nations and therefore from their perspective SF is transnational.

[Totenkopfland]

The Nazi Party was somewhat like that. I mean, there were separate organizations in different countries, but they would hold meetings where representatives from all the Nazi Parties got together to coordinate their strategy.

I don't think the concept of transnational political parties is inherently bad, but they don't have a great track record. Nazis, Ba'ath, and Sinn Fein... Yeah, I'm not voting for those.

The thing is, every country has its own unique issues, so it's difficult to create a transnational party that will address those issues as effectively as a domestic party that has tailored itself to the country's needs.

Which "Nazi Party"?

The National Socialist only held parties where their was a German populace like Austria or the Sudetanland. They promoted their views and coordinated efforts with other Fascist and Nationalist groups but their was never any Supranational party. Even allied an conquered nations that were aligned with them had their own seperate parties.

[New Werpland]

Sinn Fein? It is beyond my imagination why Britons would vote for a party that is associated with an organization that went about bombing them a few decades earlier. Of course I don't really know much about the situation, but it still sounds pretty silly as to why a Irish Nationalist party would expect to get votes in the UK.

Northern Ireland is in the UK, and Sinn Fein always had people there. I don't think they're getting a lot of English votes.

Well it's nice that they give them some representation.

[New Werpland]

Didn't think of that

Yeah but I would hesitate to call them a "Transnational party" when there simply just appealing to a minority of a country that shouldn't even exist. I think the idea of a Transnational party that the op was trying to convey was a non nationalistic, but ideological party that can appeal to multiple nationalities, the example of the Ba'ath Party made more sense.

I think the OP explicitly stated what they were trying to convey and it doesn't match the words you're trying to put in their mouth. The OP believes that the North of ireland and the republic are two nations and therefore from their perspective SF is transnational.

" Never being a nationalist I certainly would have no problem voting for one, if they had policies that appealed to me enough. It would make sense to me if there was a single European green party, I would have thought there would be enough common ground to not fracture back into smaller separate parties."

Yeah that really kind of implies, that he/she is talking about non nationalistic parties. Which Sinn Fein obviously isn't.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Yeah but I would hesitate to call them a "Transnational party" ...

Sinn Fein quite clearly are a transnational party. The stand for election in the Republic of Ireland, and in the UK in Northern Ireland. They win seats in both countries.

[Emerald-Springs]

I tend to distrust them, as by their very nature they tend to encourage loyalty to some international ideal or goal over loyalty to the nation they are operating in. There's enough of a problem already with politicians favouring their party's interests over the interests of the country.

Hear hear.

[Chucky Arla]

I think the OP explicitly stated what they were trying to convey and it doesn't match the words you're trying to put in their mouth. The OP believes that the North of ireland and the republic are two nations and therefore from their perspective SF is transnational.

" Never being a nationalist I certainly would have no problem voting for one, if they had policies that appealed to me enough. It would make sense to me if there was a single European green party, I would have thought there would be enough common ground to not fracture back into smaller separate parties."

Yeah that really kind of implies, that he/she is talking about non nationalistic parties. Which Sinn Fein obviously isn't.

transnational political parties, parties that stand for election in a number of countries

[Totenkopfland]

I think with something like climate change, that will affect all the countries of the world, there is an issue that a transnational party could be more effective at.

How? And in What way?

If certain nations of the world disagree with other nations policies, then what would an international politcal party be able to accomplish that diplomacy and negotiation wouldn't.

[New Werpland]

Yeah but I would hesitate to call them a "Transnational party" ...

Sinn Fein quite clearly are a transnational party. The stand for election in the Republic of Ireland, and in the UK in Northern Ireland. They win seats in both countries.

Yea but if things were normal in the way the UK claims territory , Sinn Fein wouldn't be a "transnational party".

[Nazi Flower Power]

The thing is, every country has its own unique issues, so it's difficult to create a transnational party that will address those issues as effectively as a domestic party that has tailored itself to the country's needs.

I think with something like climate change, that will affect all the countries of the world, there is an issue that a transnational party could be more effective at.

Yeah, that's one of the things that would make the most sense to address through a transnational party, and there are a lot of Green parties with similar platforms in different countries. Environmental issues in general have a way of slopping across borders.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The Nazi Party was somewhat like that. I mean, there were separate organizations in different countries, but they would hold meetings where representatives from all the Nazi Parties got together to coordinate their strategy.

I don't think the concept of transnational political parties is inherently bad, but they don't have a great track record. Nazis, Ba'ath, and Sinn Fein... Yeah, I'm not voting for those.

The thing is, every country has its own unique issues, so it's difficult to create a transnational party that will address those issues as effectively as a domestic party that has tailored itself to the country's needs.

Which "Nazi Party"?

The National Socialist only held parties where their was a German populace like Austria or the Sudetanland. They promoted their views and coordinated efforts with other Fascist and Nationalist groups but their was never any Supranational party. Even allied an conquered nations that were aligned with them had their own seperate parties.

Austria and Germany were separate countries, and they still had Nazis in both.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Well, we already have political internationals. For instance, there is a Socialist International where hundreds of labour parties co-operate to achieve their goals. The same can be said for International Democrat Union, etc etc.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Yeah that really kind of implies, that he/she is talking about non nationalistic parties. Which Sinn Fein obviously isn't.

No, it implies that I would not let any nationalist ideas stop me from voting for a transnational party if they had policies that I agreed with. It does not mean that I think that there cannot be any transnational parties that have nationalist political views, or that that would exclude them somehow from being transnational.