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Indian state of Maharashtra bans beef

Postby SJT » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:59 pm

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... n-or-sale/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31712369

Beef lovers in Maharashtra will now have to do without the red meat as President Pranab Mukherjee has given his assent to the Maharashtra Animal Preservation (Amendment) Bill, 1995, nearly 19 years after the Maharashtra Assembly passed the Bill during the BJP-Shiv Sena rule in 1995.

The slaughter of cows was previously prohibited in the state under the Maharashtra Animal Preservation Act of 1976. However, the passage of the new Act will ban the slaughter of bulls as well as bullocks, which was previously allowed based on a fit-for-slaughter certificate.

"World's largest democracy is trying to control what people eat based on the majority"
Maharashtra is my "home state" in India and this is really stupid imo, just another sign that India is turning more and more of a Hindu country with the new government. Even before the ban, the slaughter of cows wasn't allowed either which limited people to the inferior "buffalo meat" or imported beef.
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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:04 pm

SJT wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/beef-banned-in-maharashtra-5-yrs-jail-rs10000-fine-for-possession-or-sale/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31712369

Beef lovers in Maharashtra will now have to do without the red meat as President Pranab Mukherjee has given his assent to the Maharashtra Animal Preservation (Amendment) Bill, 1995, nearly 19 years after the Maharashtra Assembly passed the Bill during the BJP-Shiv Sena rule in 1995.

The slaughter of cows was previously prohibited in the state under the Maharashtra Animal Preservation Act of 1976. However, the passage of the new Act will ban the slaughter of bulls as well as bullocks, which was previously allowed based on a fit-for-slaughter certificate.

"World's largest democracy is trying to control what people eat based on the majority"
Maharashtra is my "home state" in India and this is really stupid imo, just another sign that India is turning more and more of a Hindu country with the new government. Even before the ban, the slaughter of cows wasn't allowed either which limited people to the inferior "buffalo meat" or imported beef.


Honestly, it's understandable.

For a country whose people mostly believe that cows are their reincarnated ancestors and deceased family members who are living out their final stage of life before moving on to the cosmos, I can understand why Maharashtra has banned beef.

If I thought one of my recently deceased family members was reincarnated as a cow, I'd be pretty upset too if people were eating him.

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Postby Anollasia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:22 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
SJT wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/beef-banned-in-maharashtra-5-yrs-jail-rs10000-fine-for-possession-or-sale/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31712369


"World's largest democracy is trying to control what people eat based on the majority"
Maharashtra is my "home state" in India and this is really stupid imo, just another sign that India is turning more and more of a Hindu country with the new government. Even before the ban, the slaughter of cows wasn't allowed either which limited people to the inferior "buffalo meat" or imported beef.


Honestly, it's understandable.

For a country whose people mostly believe that cows are their reincarnated ancestors and deceased family members who are living out their final stage of life before moving on to the cosmos, I can understand why Maharashtra has banned beef.

If I thought one of my recently deceased family members was reincarnated as a cow, I'd be pretty upset too if people were eating him.


Pretty much this.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but it makes sense.

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Postby SJT » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:27 pm

I get how Hinduism respects cows, but why do they have to outright ban it? Just because most people don't eat it doesn't mean others shouldn't either. This is just an example of religion and government coming closer together.\

Also, this will just make the cow problem worse (I'm not saying slaughter is the only way to solve it), I've been to India many times and cows are just like another (nonmoving) vehicle in the streets.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:28 pm

Doesn't slaughtering the cow release it's soul to be reincarnated, leaving only it's earthly shell to be consumed?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:28 pm

That's like Muslims in India trying to ban pork. Imagine the uproar if someone even suggested that.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:38 pm

Geilinor wrote:That's like Muslims in India trying to ban pork. Imagine the uproar if someone even suggested that.

This makes absolutely no sense. Maharashtra is like, 80% Hindu.

This is like Saudi Arabia banning Pork.
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Postby New Genoa » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:40 pm

So long as the law isn't based on religion, but by democratic support, this is acceptable.
Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:44 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:That's like Muslims in India trying to ban pork. Imagine the uproar if someone even suggested that.

This makes absolutely no sense. Maharashtra is like, 80% Hindu.

This is like Saudi Arabia banning Pork.

What I mean is that this sets the precedent of people banning things because of religion.
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Postby Solaray » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:44 pm

New Genoa wrote:So long as the law isn't based on religion, but by democratic support, this is acceptable.

Democratic support fueled by religion. Not unlike gay marriage bans.
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Postby Perlaraja » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:46 pm

Goat is a good meat though

But seriously, I'm quite sure they had the law in favor the majority Hindus.
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Geilinor wrote:That's like Muslims in India trying to ban pork. Imagine the uproar if someone even suggested that.

This makes absolutely no sense. Maharashtra is like, 80% Hindu.

This is like Saudi Arabia banning Pork.

Their place, their rules

Simple as that

If im a Maharashtri guy who loves beef a lot I'll just move to the next state where it's allowed

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Postby The Matthew Islands » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:47 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:This makes absolutely no sense. Maharashtra is like, 80% Hindu.

This is like Saudi Arabia banning Pork.

What I mean is that this sets the precedent of people banning things because of religion.

Things banned because of religion is like, one of the oldest precedents in the world. Especially if it is by a popular mandate.
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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:52 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Doesn't slaughtering the cow release it's soul to be reincarnated, leaving only it's earthly shell to be consumed?


Actually, Hindus believe that the cow is the final form of reincarnation before the soul leaves the temporal realm and enters the Hindu version of heaven. They believe that killing something interrupts the natural life cycle, and means that the soul has to be reincarnated as the same thing again since it didn't have a full life.

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Postby Vozergovnia » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:54 pm

Everyone knows pork is better anyway.
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Solaray wrote:
New Genoa wrote:So long as the law isn't based on religion, but by democratic support, this is acceptable.

Democratic support fueled by religion. Not unlike gay marriage bans.

No one is having their human rights compromised, however.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirates- » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:00 pm

And if an Islamic region banned pork the news would go on a rant about Shariah and how not every one is a muslim #doublestanderds.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:02 pm

No beef for you!

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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:06 pm

-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:And if an Islamic region banned pork the news would go on a rant about Shariah and how not every one is a muslim #doublestanderds.


Nobody thinks that pigs are their reincarnated ancestors.

Muslims and Jews just think that pigs are dirty, and shouldn't be eaten.

Hindus think that cows are potentially their deceased family members.

There's quite the difference.

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-United Islamic Emirates- wrote:And if an Islamic region banned pork the news would go on a rant about Shariah and how not every one is a muslim #doublestanderds.

What double standards? Pork is banned in Saudi Arabia and no-one is criticising it.
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Postby Allegan County » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:09 pm

Sanctissima wrote:Honestly, it's understandable.

For a country whose people mostly believe that cows are their reincarnated ancestors and deceased family members who are living out their final stage of life before moving on to the cosmos, I can understand why Maharashtra has banned beef.

If I thought one of my recently deceased family members was reincarnated as a cow, I'd be pretty upset too if people were eating him.


If I lived somewhere where people believed bottles of beer are their reincarnated ancestors, gods or whatever I still wouldn't like it to be banned either.
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Sanctissima wrote:Honestly, it's understandable.

For a country whose people mostly believe that cows are their reincarnated ancestors and deceased family members who are living out their final stage of life before moving on to the cosmos, I can understand why Maharashtra has banned beef.

If I thought one of my recently deceased family members was reincarnated as a cow, I'd be pretty upset too if people were eating him.

But there should be separation between religious affairs and those of the State.
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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:12 pm

Vozergovnia wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:Honestly, it's understandable.

For a country whose people mostly believe that cows are their reincarnated ancestors and deceased family members who are living out their final stage of life before moving on to the cosmos, I can understand why Maharashtra has banned beef.

If I thought one of my recently deceased family members was reincarnated as a cow, I'd be pretty upset too if people were eating him.

But there should be separation between religious affairs and those of the State.


Not without exceptions.

The majority of your population believing that cows are their family is such an exception.

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Postby Aethrys » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:14 pm

Huh, I was under the impression this was the norm throughout India under those wacky religious laws of theirs.
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Sanctissima wrote:
Vozergovnia wrote:But there should be separation between religious affairs and those of the State.


Not without exceptions.

The majority of your population believing that cows are their family is such an exception.

I don't think the State should have any say over the people's dietary habits regardless of the majority's political beliefs.
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Postby Arcanda » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:17 pm

As long as it fits them, I'm okay with it.To everyone their own ways.Nobody is really harmed here since I don't think there was much of a beef-based industry there anyway.Add to that the fact that the bill only prohibits cow, bull and bullock slaughter.If a cow is slaughtered in Aranushal Pradesh, it can still be imported, bought and eaten according to the article you quoted.

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