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[IDEA]Nuclear Disarmament

Postby Two Chaoses » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:35 am

This proposal would have a strength of mild and focus on International Security with an eye towards repealing GA # 10.

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REALIZING that WA members are outnumbered by non members by a significant margin,
ACKNOWLEDGING the fact that only WA members are required to comply with WA resolutions,
NOTICING the fact that many non member nations are hostile towards WA members,
REALIZING that the WA members need to be able to defend themselves if attacked,
REMEMBERING that the WA already has several resolutions in place recognizing and respecting the need to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties,
NOTING other weapons capable of destroying large areas exist without risking harm to future generations from nuclear fallout,

1. DECLARES that WA members are not allowed to possess nuclear weapons to protect themselves from hostile nations,
2. ELIMINATES the right for individual nations to decide if they want to possess nuclear weapons,
3. REQUIRES that any nation considering nuclear weapons instead work on thermobaric weapons and other non-nuclear weapons for use against military targets.

With the exception of GA # 10 and other nuclear resolutions, no other GA resolutions are affected by this proposal.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:50 pm

Well, the main issue is one of contradiction. Your bill contradicts the Nuclear Arms Protection Act. Due to the subject matter of the bill — opposed.

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Postby The Sheika » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:53 pm

Opposed on the grounds of disabling a proper defense against non-member nations that could potentially possess nuclear armaments. It's a nice idea, but the risks involved are far too great.
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Postby Two Chaoses » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:04 pm

The Sheika wrote:Opposed on the grounds of disabling a proper defense against non-member nations that could potentially possess nuclear armaments. It's a nice idea, but the risks involved are far too great.

And yet, more than adequate conventional weapons are available that lack the considerable downsides associated with nuclear weapons. The earlier resolutions deal more with the false belief that there is an appropriate use and right people to have access to nuclear weapons. This idea asserts there is no appropriate use and no right person to possess nuclear weapons.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:09 pm

Sorry, we find the touchy-feely "No Nukes" argument to be a falacy. Vigorously Opposed.
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:11 pm

I do not deny the existence of conventional weapons of adequate strength, what I call to question is imbalance of destruction from a non-member nation. My nation could use conventional weapons until we are blue in the face while our territories, let alone our sovereign lands, could potentially be threatened with nuclear weapons. With this proposed resolution there would legally be nothing I could do in response all the while the lands where cities once stood and people once inhabited become irradiated.
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Postby Defwa » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:14 pm

This resolution doesn't magically become legal because you say "it doesn't contradict all the things it contradicts". You need to try to repeal GAR10 before you can contradict GAR10. Someone tried that a couple days ago, look it up.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:32 pm

Defwa wrote:This resolution doesn't magically become legal because you say "it doesn't contradict all the things it contradicts". You need to try to repeal GAR10 before you can contradict GAR10. Someone tried that a couple days ago, look it up.

He was in that thread. We urged him to have a go towards an attempt for repealing it again. Unfortunately, I do not believe that was made clear.
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Postby Two Chaoses » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:41 pm

Defwa wrote:This resolution doesn't magically become legal because you say "it doesn't contradict all the things it contradicts". You need to try to repeal GAR10 before you can contradict GAR10. Someone tried that a couple days ago, look it up.


And yet, this idea indicates it is an attempt to repeal GAR 10. It's there in the opening sentences. Had I the WA endorsements, I would have put this up formally days ago.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:44 pm

Repeals can only do one thing: repeal existing legislation. They cannot make any new law whatsoever. Your repeal is fundamentally illegal and if you submit it will (in my unofficial opinion) be deleted.

Furthermore, your text is so similar to NAPA that it may very well be judged to be plagiarism.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:59 pm

Two Chaoses wrote:
Defwa wrote:This resolution doesn't magically become legal because you say "it doesn't contradict all the things it contradicts". You need to try to repeal GAR10 before you can contradict GAR10. Someone tried that a couple days ago, look it up.


And yet, this idea indicates it is an attempt to repeal GAR 10. It's there in the opening sentences. Had I the WA endorsements, I would have put this up formally days ago.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:35 pm

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:16 pm

'We would like to remind the Ambassador from Two Chaoses that repeals are separate from legislation and are limited to repealing legislation. Thus, they cannot legislate. For example, a repeal would say "The World Assembly hereby repeals [x]" with reasoning for that action. Legislation would say 'The World Assembly mandates ... declares ... defines ... etc' and introduces requirements.'

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Postby Ainocra » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:19 pm

well if we aren't allowed to posses them then I suppose we will send all of them we have to you......



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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:24 pm

Ainocra wrote:well if we aren't allowed to posses them then I suppose we will send all of them we have to you......



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Send them all to me... :)
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Postby Normlpeople » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:42 pm

"If this is an idea, its a bad one. I am not worried however, since its outright illegal in its current form. As the good fleet marshal has said, we will have to send them to you should you succeed, and we deliver them through the air, warhead end first."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:54 pm

Normlpeople wrote:"If this is an idea, its a bad one. I am not worried however, since its outright illegal in its current form. As the good fleet marshal has said, we will have to send them to you should you succeed, and we deliver them through the air, warhead end first."

One of the best jokes I have heard in my time here, Ambassador.

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Postby Flibbleites » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:15 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:"If this is an idea, its a bad one. I am not worried however, since its outright illegal in its current form. As the good fleet marshal has said, we will have to send them to you should you succeed, and we deliver them through the air, warhead end first."

One of the best jokes I have heard in my time here, Ambassador.

It's also one of the oldest. Variations of that statement have been used essentially every time someone suggests banning nuclear weapons.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:16 pm

Humour is still humorous.

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