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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:14 am

Hi there! I'm Distruzio, NSG's resident reactionary right monarchist. I want to talk to you today about smoking. I have, in the past, been a firm advocate for tobacco use - specifically, cigars. Almost to the point of suggesting, subliminally, that others should smoke as well. For that, I should apologize. In my zealous endorsement of cigar use I overstepped the boundaries of good taste.

Over the years, my tobacco use increased. I didn't even realize it. From one or two cigars a day as a reward of sorts I, eventually, moved up to ten cigars a day on a rough day - to relax. Soon enough, that wasn't enough. I began to supplement my cigar usage with cigarettes. Yes, even though, in the thread linked above, I criticize cigarette usage so vehemently I began to smoke cigarettes. Because, you know, I wanted to "cut back".

A cigar, typically, contains as much nicotine and tar as a whole pack of cigarettes. I was smoking 10, at most, a day. I was also smoking about a half a pack of cigarettes.

Without even realizing it, I had become a heavy smoker.

My ability to breathe was affected. I began to snore. I smelled horrible - like ash and, on rainy days, wet tobacco. My breath was... well, "ash trayish". My family life was affected. I began to spend at least 30 minutes every hour or so outside instead of with my family.

It was, in hindsight, a horrible situation. One that seemed to sneak up on me.

Then, on November 28th last year, I entered a "Vape Bar" on a whim. I bought an e-cig for the first time for the amount of money I'd spend in two days on analog smokes. I was, immediately, hooked.

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I never "lit up" another analog smoke again.

Aside from the, obvious, health benefits (as my lungs can finally begin to heal), I no longer smell horrible. My breath is so much better. I feel better than ever before. And, of course, now I can "vape" inside and spend more time with my family. As you can see, I've saved quite a bit of money as well.

This has all come with, of course, certain side effects that I had never heard of before. Nightmares. Horrible and terrifying nightmares about being chased by cigarettes and cigars; "cheating" by sneaking an analog smoke; and fighting with my fiance about smoking (we've never had an argument in our two years together). Withdrawal from the other ingredients in cigarettes was, and remains, quite... um... painful. When did I become addicted to those?

I never wanted to quit smoking, mind you. I enjoy smoking. It's just that the health effects frightened me enough to consider alternatives. Vaping on electronic cigarettes saved my life, I'm sure of it. They've saved my family and my bank account as well. I've only had to buy "juice" 3 times in the past 55 days and at a price comparable to two packs of cigarettes or 3 cigars.

So I thought I'd make a thread inviting ex smokers, or those considering quitting, or even those curious about e-cigs, to speak up and have a talk. The hardest part about quitting is that you tend to feel alone when going through the withdrawals. That simply isn't so.
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Postby Digital Planets » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:43 am

As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Laanvia » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:46 am

Digital Planets wrote:As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.

That was the funniest response I have ever read. Props to you.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:46 am

Tried vaping, just doesn't give the same sensation or satisfaction. Not that I'm exactly a heavy smoker, and certainly not to the degree you described. I smoke roughly a pack a week.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:46 am

So here is some fyi for those concerned about "vaping" as an alternative to smoking:

First, there are two completely different products that are referred to as "e-cigs". Those sold in gas stations and such that seem to mimic the look and feel of analog cigarettes are typically disposable (there are exceptions). They universally come with pre-filled "cartomizers" that cannot be refilled. The units are, usually, non-rechargable and cost as much as a normal pack of cigarettes. They produce a small amount of vapor and do not, I repeat, do not satisfy the need to smoke if you're a heavy smoker. From there, "vapers" (those who "vape" instead of smoke) tend to move up to APV's or "advance personal vaporizes". These are, typically, built in the "ego" style - sort of like a long whistle or thick pen shape. They produce more vapor, are much more satisfying on the "throat hit" smokers enjoy, and use refillable "tanks" and rechargeable batteries. At the higher end of the "vaping spectrum" are the Mods. There are different types of Mods but, in general, they come with rebuildable atomizers, tanks, and more battery options. Mods are subdivided into "mech-mods" which offer the least amount of electrical resistance in order to maximize vapor production (these can get quite expensive) and "variable wattage/voltage-mods" in which the user can adjust the power usage to their own particular desires.

Big tobacco companies have only been able to enter the market on the low end of the spectrum because they are so jealously guarded about trade secrets and ingredients. They don't want their consumers to stop smoking. So Big Tobacco makes disposable e-cigs. Other companies, primarily from China and other asian nations, dominate the market for APV's and Mods. Needless to say, the market for disposables is in a tailspin down as the mod market booms. Consumers want more options and more transparency about what they put into their bodies.

Second, "vapers" find themselves with access to hundreds of different flavors of "juice" or "e-liquid". My personal favorite is Vanilla Ice Cream cut with a bit of Hazelnut. Most bars mix the juice right in front of you so you can see what goes in them. Basically, there are four ingredients to juice - vegetable glycerin as the base (which produces the vapor), propylene glycol (which is used in inhalers), and flavor additives that are used in normal foods. The final ingredient is, of course, nicotine. The amount of nicotine included varies from 24mg all the way down to 0mgs. Thats right, you can vape without nicotine if you want. From thousands of ingredients that can cause cancer to four seems a manifest boon in my book.

Third, most juice contains no nicotine. It can be "nikked up" if you like, of course.

Fourth, "vaping" is safer than smoking. A 2012 Greek study entitled Acute effects of using an electronic nicotine-delivery device on myocardial function: comparison with regular cigarettes: "Absence of combustion and different chemical composition, leading to less toxic chemicals created and absorbed . . . electronic cigarettes may be a safer alternative to tobacco cigarettes."

A 2012 research paper entitled Levels of selected carcinogens and toxicants in vapor from electronic cigarettes: "We found that the e-cigarette vapors contained some toxic substances. The levels of the toxicants were 9–450 times lower than in cigarette smoke and were, in many cases, comparable with trace amounts found in the reference product . . . our findings are consistent with the idea that substituting tobacco cigarettes with e-cigarettes may substantially reduce exposure to selected tobacco-specific toxicants. E-cigarettes as a harm reduction strategy among smokers unwilling to quit, warrants further study."

A 2012 study entitled Comparison of the effects of e-cigarette vapor and cigarette smoke on indoor air quality: "For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed."

And finally, vaping helps smokers quit smoking. This isn't just anecdotal.

http://www.legaliser.nu/sites/default/f ... ective.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0313003304

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0066317

Compared to the negligible effect on smoking that traditional nicotine therapy (gums and patches) has had, e-cigs work.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:47 am

Digital Planets wrote:As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.


You can call it what you like. I never lie. I was up to that much. I was literally that addicted.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:51 am

Digital Planets wrote:As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.


I will say the OP sounds somewhat exaggerated.

Maybe by "cigars" he really meant cigarillos/little cigars. I couldn't imagine smoking 10 CIGARS a day for any significant amount of time. Depending on size, cigars can take a lot of time to smoke - 30 minutes is probably on the low end. Even going with that, 10x0.5=5h of smoking everyday, WITHOUT cigarettes.

OP, are you retired, or some sort of freelancer?
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Postby Digital Planets » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:52 am

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.


I will say the OP sounds somewhat exaggerated.

Maybe by "cigars" he really meant cigarillos/little cigars. I couldn't imagine smoking 10 CIGARS a day for any significant amount of time. Depending on size, cigars can take a lot of time to smoke - 30 minutes is probably on the low end. Even going with that, 10x0.5=5h of smoking everyday, WITHOUT cigarettes.

Are you retired, or some sort of freelancer?


He claims to have smoked 10 cigars a day and half a pack of cigarettes.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:52 am

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:As someone who smokes cigars, and not the cheap dinky ones you get at a gas station, I'm calling bullshit.

You don't just 'smoke' 10 cigars a day. No one smokes 10 cigars a day unless you're quite literally that addicted. I don't think you are.

I won't deny that cigars have lot more tobacco than pack of cigarettes or two. But how you smoke cigars is simple: You inhale the smoke, and let it sit in your mouth, getting all the flavor from it, then puffing it out. That's hardly any smoke that gets through to your lungs.

Your dreams? They sounds rather ridiculous. Getting chased by cigarettes? I'd punch that fucker in the mouth, I wouldn't be scared to.


I will say the OP sounds somewhat exaggerated.

Maybe by "cigars" he really meant cigarillos/little cigars. I couldn't imagine smoking 10 CIGARS a day for any significant amount of time. Depending on size, cigars can take a lot of time to smoke - 30 minutes is probably on the low end. Even going with that, 10x0.5=5h of smoking everyday, WITHOUT cigarettes.

OP, are you retired, or some sort of freelancer?


Financial Advisor. I have plenty of free time while my clients are at work.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:59 am

Digital Planets wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
I will say the OP sounds somewhat exaggerated.

Maybe by "cigars" he really meant cigarillos/little cigars. I couldn't imagine smoking 10 CIGARS a day for any significant amount of time. Depending on size, cigars can take a lot of time to smoke - 30 minutes is probably on the low end. Even going with that, 10x0.5=5h of smoking everyday, WITHOUT cigarettes.

Are you retired, or some sort of freelancer?


He claims to have smoked 10 cigars a day and half a pack of cigarettes.


I did say that I smoked that many cigars on "rough days". Meaning it wasn't the average.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:01 am

Plot twist: you can use e-cigarettes with weed juice

*mindblow*
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:02 am

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Plot twist: you can use e-cigarettes with weed juice

*mindblow*


The "weed juice" doesn't, typically, contain THC - the ingredient that gets you high.

So you know.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:06 am

Distruzio wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Plot twist: you can use e-cigarettes with weed juice

*mindblow*


The "weed juice" doesn't, typically, contain THC - the ingredient that gets you high.

So you know.


Where are you getting this from?

Also, THC isn't the only ingredient that gets you high - there's also CBD and a bunch of other minor ones too.

Weed juice without actual weed juice is just hemp juice or weed-flavored shit.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:09 am

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
The "weed juice" doesn't, typically, contain THC - the ingredient that gets you high.

So you know.


Where are you getting this from?

Also, THC isn't the only ingredient that gets you high - there's also CBD and a bunch of other minor ones too.

Weed juice without actual weed juice is just hemp juice or weed-flavored shit.


http://hempmedspx.com/about-cbd/

http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-cbd ... inoid--n52

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5 ... idiol-cbd/


First three links on google.
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Postby Second Blazing » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:09 am

Distruzio wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:Plot twist: you can use e-cigarettes with weed juice

*mindblow*


The "weed juice" doesn't, typically, contain THC - the ingredient that gets you high.

So you know.


Then you've been going to the wrong people.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:17 am

I smoked heavy duty cigarettes in my 20s. English Ovals, Herbert Tareytons, unfiltered Kools, Half & Half (pipe tobacco in a wrapper! Genius! hackhackhack)

Whenever I tried to quit I would fail by bumming smokes from friends, or being so cowardly as to sneak cigarette purchases when I was out of town, making it more secret.

Finally I took all my local friends and acquaintances and promised them a cash reward of they caught me smoking. This included many people around my home town of around 10,000 souls, and the three county seats in the region (I was an attorney at the time and would show up in the courthouses). Some of my friends were more sociable than I am, and they told their own connections to be on the lookout, so I was fairly well monitored.

If I was out of town and went to a bar, and just looked at the cigarette machine (they used to have such things back in the day), I would hear a discreet cough ("ahem!") behind me, and there would be one of my monitors.

At first I was edging into paranoia, but it was for a good cause (we just had our first child and I never wanted him to be influenced by my smoking) so I eventually got used to it.

The first month was the worst. After 60 days I felt in charge of my choices again and no longer had to worry about those monitors. For years, though, I would celebrate New Year's with one single solitary cigarette, just to prove I could do it and not get hooked.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:18 am

Pope Joan wrote:I smoked heavy duty cigarettes in my 20s. English Ovals, Herbert Tareytons, unfiltered Kools, Half & Half (pipe tobacco in a wrapper! Genius! hackhackhack)

Whenever I tried to quit I would fail by bumming smokes from friends, or being so cowardly as to sneak cigarette purchases when I was out of town, making it more secret.

Finally I took all my local friends and acquaintances and promised them a cash reward of they caught me smoking. This included many people around my home town of around 10,000 souls, and the three county seats in the region (I was an attorney at the time and would show up in the courthouses). Some of my friends were more sociable than I am, and they told their own connections to be on the lookout, so I was fairly well monitored.

If I was out of town and went to a bar, and just looked at the cigarette machine (they used to have such things back in the day), I would hear a discreet cough ("ahem!") behind me, and there would be one of my monitors.

At first I was edging into paranoia, but it was for a good cause (we just had our first child and I never wanted him to be influenced by my smoking) so I eventually got used to it.

The first month was the worst. After 60 days I felt in charge of my choices again and no longer had to worry about those monitors. For years, though, I would celebrate New Year's with one single solitary cigarette, just to prove I could do it and not get hooked.


Well played sir! Well played indeed! Congrats! How long have you been free?
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Postby Udinia » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:23 am

Over the last year, I've gone from being a casual smoker to smoking at least 3 or 4 cigarettes a day. And if it weren't for the fact I'm too lazy to buy my own cigs (I usually bum off my roommates) I'd probably smoke even more often. I'd much rather have an e-cig to be honest, I can feel the tar slowly sapping my lung capacity. :(
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:23 am

Distruzio wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:I smoked heavy duty cigarettes in my 20s. English Ovals, Herbert Tareytons, unfiltered Kools, Half & Half (pipe tobacco in a wrapper! Genius! hackhackhack)

Whenever I tried to quit I would fail by bumming smokes from friends, or being so cowardly as to sneak cigarette purchases when I was out of town, making it more secret.

Finally I took all my local friends and acquaintances and promised them a cash reward of they caught me smoking. This included many people around my home town of around 10,000 souls, and the three county seats in the region (I was an attorney at the time and would show up in the courthouses). Some of my friends were more sociable than I am, and they told their own connections to be on the lookout, so I was fairly well monitored.

If I was out of town and went to a bar, and just looked at the cigarette machine (they used to have such things back in the day), I would hear a discreet cough ("ahem!") behind me, and there would be one of my monitors.

At first I was edging into paranoia, but it was for a good cause (we just had our first child and I never wanted him to be influenced by my smoking) so I eventually got used to it.

The first month was the worst. After 60 days I felt in charge of my choices again and no longer had to worry about those monitors. For years, though, I would celebrate New Year's with one single solitary cigarette, just to prove I could do it and not get hooked.


Well played sir! Well played indeed! Congrats! How long have you been free?


This will reveal my age.

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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:25 am

Pope Joan wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Well played sir! Well played indeed! Congrats! How long have you been free?


This will reveal my age.

My son is now 41.



Wow! That's quite a long time. Did you endure the nightmares as I am currently doing?
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Postby Vazdaria » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:28 am

Distruzio wrote:Hi there! I'm Distruzio, NSG's resident reactionary right monarchist. I want to talk to you today about smoking. I have, in the past, been a firm advocate for tobacco use - specifically, cigars. Almost to the point of suggesting, subliminally, that others should smoke as well. For that, I should apologize. In my zealous endorsement of cigar use I overstepped the boundaries of good taste.

Over the years, my tobacco use increased. I didn't even realize it. From one or two cigars a day as a reward of sorts I, eventually, moved up to ten cigars a day on a rough day - to relax. Soon enough, that wasn't enough. I began to supplement my cigar usage with cigarettes. Yes, even though, in the thread linked above, I criticize cigarette usage so vehemently I began to smoke cigarettes. Because, you know, I wanted to "cut back".

A cigar, typically, contains as much nicotine and tar as a whole pack of cigarettes. I was smoking 10, at most, a day. I was also smoking about a half a pack of cigarettes.

Without even realizing it, I had become a heavy smoker.

My ability to breathe was affected. I began to snore. I smelled horrible - like ash and, on rainy days, wet tobacco. My breath was... well, "ash trayish". My family life was affected. I began to spend at least 30 minutes every hour or so outside instead of with my family.

It was, in hindsight, a horrible situation. One that seemed to sneak up on me.

Then, on November 28th last year, I entered a "Vape Bar" on a whim. I bought an e-cig for the first time for the amount of money I'd spend in two days on analog smokes. I was, immediately, hooked.



I never "lit up" another analog smoke again.

Aside from the, obvious, health benefits (as my lungs can finally begin to heal), I no longer smell horrible. My breath is so much better. I feel better than ever before. And, of course, now I can "vape" inside and spend more time with my family. As you can see, I've saved quite a bit of money as well.

This has all come with, of course, certain side effects that I had never heard of before. Nightmares. Horrible and terrifying nightmares about being chased by cigarettes and cigars; "cheating" by sneaking an analog smoke; and fighting with my fiance about smoking (we've never had an argument in our two years together). Withdrawal from the other ingredients in cigarettes was, and remains, quite... um... painful. When did I become addicted to those?

I never wanted to quit smoking, mind you. I enjoy smoking. It's just that the health effects frightened me enough to consider alternatives. Vaping on electronic cigarettes saved my life, I'm sure of it. They've saved my family and my bank account as well. I've only had to buy "juice" 3 times in the past 55 days and at a price comparable to two packs of cigarettes or 3 cigars.

So I thought I'd make a thread inviting ex smokers, or those considering quitting, or even those curious about e-cigs, to speak up and have a talk. The hardest part about quitting is that you tend to feel alone when going through the withdrawals. That simply isn't so.

What flavours do you like Distruzio?
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:28 am

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This will reveal my age.

My son is now 41.



Wow! That's quite a long time. Did you endure the nightmares as I am currently doing?


As I said, I had 30 very bad days (and nights), and the next 30 were still distressful.

But after that, I felt much better. Food tasted better too.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:28 am

Distruzio, I commend you for making this thread. Many of my family members smoke, and many have died from various lung diseases. I view excessive smoking as something that's very harmful, and very negative overall. I'm glad you've quit.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:30 am

Vazdaria wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Hi there! I'm Distruzio, NSG's resident reactionary right monarchist. I want to talk to you today about smoking. I have, in the past, been a firm advocate for tobacco use - specifically, cigars. Almost to the point of suggesting, subliminally, that others should smoke as well. For that, I should apologize. In my zealous endorsement of cigar use I overstepped the boundaries of good taste.

Over the years, my tobacco use increased. I didn't even realize it. From one or two cigars a day as a reward of sorts I, eventually, moved up to ten cigars a day on a rough day - to relax. Soon enough, that wasn't enough. I began to supplement my cigar usage with cigarettes. Yes, even though, in the thread linked above, I criticize cigarette usage so vehemently I began to smoke cigarettes. Because, you know, I wanted to "cut back".

A cigar, typically, contains as much nicotine and tar as a whole pack of cigarettes. I was smoking 10, at most, a day. I was also smoking about a half a pack of cigarettes.

Without even realizing it, I had become a heavy smoker.

My ability to breathe was affected. I began to snore. I smelled horrible - like ash and, on rainy days, wet tobacco. My breath was... well, "ash trayish". My family life was affected. I began to spend at least 30 minutes every hour or so outside instead of with my family.

It was, in hindsight, a horrible situation. One that seemed to sneak up on me.

Then, on November 28th last year, I entered a "Vape Bar" on a whim. I bought an e-cig for the first time for the amount of money I'd spend in two days on analog smokes. I was, immediately, hooked.



I never "lit up" another analog smoke again.

Aside from the, obvious, health benefits (as my lungs can finally begin to heal), I no longer smell horrible. My breath is so much better. I feel better than ever before. And, of course, now I can "vape" inside and spend more time with my family. As you can see, I've saved quite a bit of money as well.

This has all come with, of course, certain side effects that I had never heard of before. Nightmares. Horrible and terrifying nightmares about being chased by cigarettes and cigars; "cheating" by sneaking an analog smoke; and fighting with my fiance about smoking (we've never had an argument in our two years together). Withdrawal from the other ingredients in cigarettes was, and remains, quite... um... painful. When did I become addicted to those?

I never wanted to quit smoking, mind you. I enjoy smoking. It's just that the health effects frightened me enough to consider alternatives. Vaping on electronic cigarettes saved my life, I'm sure of it. They've saved my family and my bank account as well. I've only had to buy "juice" 3 times in the past 55 days and at a price comparable to two packs of cigarettes or 3 cigars.

So I thought I'd make a thread inviting ex smokers, or those considering quitting, or even those curious about e-cigs, to speak up and have a talk. The hardest part about quitting is that you tend to feel alone when going through the withdrawals. That simply isn't so.

What flavours do you like Distruzio?


In my e-pipe mech mod, I use smooth pipe tobacco flavor with a bit of cinnamon. In my APV I use vanilla ice cream with a bit of hazelnut.

My fiance occasionally vapes 0mg nicotine cotton candy with me.
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