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ROK Nuke Plant Operator hacked

Postby Organized States » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:21 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... 8E20141222
Reuters) - Computer systems at South Korea’s nuclear plant operator have been hacked, the company said on Monday, sharply raising concerns about safeguards around nuclear facilities in a country that remains technically at war with North Korea.

The Korea Hydro and Nuclear Power Co Ltd (KHNP) and the government said only "non-critical" data was stolen by the hackers, and that there was no risk to nuclear installations, including the country's 23 atomic reactors.

But the hacking was reported as the United States accused North Korea of a devastating cyberattack on Sony Pictures.

Experts voiced alarm that the controls of the nuclear reactors could be at risk.

"This demonstrated that, if anyone is intent with malice to infiltrate the system, it would be impossible to say with confidence that such an effort would be blocked completely," said Suh Kune-yull of Seoul National University.

"And a compromise of nuclear reactors' safety pretty clearly means there is a gaping hole in national security," said Suh, who specializes in nuclear reactor design.

The government is investigating but has not said who might be responsible. In 2013, South Korea accused the North of a series of cyberattacks on banks and broadcasters. Anti-nuclear activists in South Korea have also protested against the use of nuclear power.

South Korea's energy ministry said it was confident that its nuclear plants could block any infiltration by cyber attackers that could compromise the safety of the reactors.

"It's our judgment that the control system itself is designed in such a way and there is no risk whatsoever," Chung Yang-ho, deputy energy minister, told Reuters by phone.

An official at the country's nuclear plant operator KHNP, which is part of state-run Korea Electric Power Corp, told Reuters that the hacking appeared to be the handiwork of "elements who want to cause social unrest". He said he had no one specific in mind and did not elaborate.

"It is 100 percent impossible that a hacker can stop nuclear power plants by attacking them because the control monitoring system is totally independent and closed," the official said.

They also said they could not verify messages posted by a Twitter user claiming responsibility for the attacks and demanding the shutdown of three aging nuclear reactors by Thursday. The post also asked for money in exchange for the leaked data.

The user who was described in the posting as chairman of an anti-nuclear group based in Hawaii said more documents from the nuclear operator will be posted if the reactors are not closed.


Another major hack. This time against critical infastructure. I truly hope that this continues to show the general public and politicians that Cybersecurity isn't a joke. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the North Koreans again.

So, your opinion NSG? What should be done?
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Postby Maineiacs » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:11 am

Just monitor them for now. Eventually, Lil' Kim's Chinese backers will decide he's bad for business, and they'll step on him like a cockroach.
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Postby Organized States » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:15 pm

Maineiacs wrote:Just monitor them for now. Eventually, Lil' Kim's Chinese backers will decide he's bad for business, and they'll step on him like a cockroach.

Well, North Korea's internet is down now. So, I guess they did pretty early.
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Postby Second Blazing » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:47 pm

At best they might have read some emails, and if Korea is anything like the rest of the world, stolen enough porn to hold them over until they get their internet back.
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Postby Second Blazing » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:48 pm

Organized States wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:Just monitor them for now. Eventually, Lil' Kim's Chinese backers will decide he's bad for business, and they'll step on him like a cockroach.

Well, North Korea's internet is down now. So, I guess they did pretty early.


We did that.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:22 pm

Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.
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Postby Toronina » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:26 pm

greed and death wrote:Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.

Are they trying to get people killed?
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:27 pm

Toronina wrote:
greed and death wrote:Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.

Are they trying to get people killed?

As long as it's for the environment, the end ALWAYS justifies the means!

maybe??
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Postby Toronina » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:29 pm

Imyoji wrote:
Toronina wrote:Are they trying to get people killed?

As long as it's for the environment, the end ALWAYS justifies the means!

maybe??

I doubt it was them, personally I think Best Korea did it, but still, you shouldn't be operating the rods unless you are a professional and know what in the absolute fuck you are actually doing. If this was Greenpeace, they're becoming as bad as PETA.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:52 pm

greed and death wrote:Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.

Seriously, or are you just messing with us?

If so the entire organization should be shut down. They could get people killed messing with that kind of stuff. I'd reckon it could be considered nuclear terrorism.

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Postby Toronina » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:56 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
greed and death wrote:Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.

Seriously, or are you just messing with us?

If so the entire organization should be shut down. They could get people killed messing with that kind of stuff. I'd reckon it could be considered nuclear terrorism.

For once Narnia, I agree with you. Only a highly skilled and trained person should be operating a nuclear fuel rod.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:13 pm

The better question is...

...why the FUCK are nuclear power plant controls connected to the internet?

There is a way to have 100% cybersecurity. It's called having a closed computer system absolutely sealed off from all outside networks in general and the internet in particular.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:17 pm

Toronina wrote:
greed and death wrote:Green peace has claimed responsibility.

They have also locked the controls rods into a fully retracted position.

Are they trying to get people killed?

Greenpeace wants to cause another Chernobyl for their own agenda. I think that might be a good reason to put them on the list of terrorist organizations.
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Postby Toronina » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:26 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Toronina wrote:Are they trying to get people killed?

Greenpeace wants to cause another Chernobyl for their own agenda. I think that might be a good reason to put them on the list of terrorist organizations.

Pretty much. I mean PETA can be bad sometimes but even they haven't tried to cause a Nuclear Meltdown for their causes.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:30 pm

Toronina wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Greenpeace wants to cause another Chernobyl for their own agenda. I think that might be a good reason to put them on the list of terrorist organizations.

Pretty much. I mean PETA can be bad sometimes but even they haven't tried to cause a Nuclear Meltdown for their causes.

At this point, I fear Greenpeace might become as bad as the Provisional IRA or other terrorist organizations.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:34 pm

Has anyone bothered to ask for a source as to whether or not Greenpeace was behind it? Because elsewhere, it says that the president of an "anti-nuclear group" (presumably a local one) posted somewhere that they had hacked into and leaked information about the plant, although said information wasn't actually sensitive enough as to affect the safety of the nuclear installations.
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Postby Planita » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:36 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:The better question is...

...why the FUCK are nuclear power plant controls connected to the internet?

There is a way to have 100% cybersecurity. It's called having a closed computer system absolutely sealed off from all outside networks in general and the internet in particular.

good question.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:41 pm

I haven't found anything on Google News about Greenpeace being behind this. I think that's bullshit. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Greenpeace.
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Postby Second Blazing » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:44 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:The better question is...

...why the FUCK are nuclear power plant controls connected to the internet?

There is a way to have 100% cybersecurity. It's called having a closed computer system absolutely sealed off from all outside networks in general and the internet in particular.


The controls aren't. Their email however, is.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:52 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Has anyone bothered to ask for a source as to whether or not Greenpeace was behind it? Because elsewhere, it says that the president of an "anti-nuclear group" (presumably a local one) posted somewhere that they had hacked into and leaked information about the plant, although said information wasn't actually sensitive enough as to affect the safety of the nuclear installations.


And yet The Serbian Empire and Toronina are accusing Greenpeace of trying to cause a meltdown based on what appears to be jack shit. I wonder if those guys are aware of the legal implications of libel?

To be fair, I'm not a lawyer or a judge. I'm not saying their posts actually are libel. But they feel like they should be.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:58 pm

I wish people wouldn't fuck around with shit like this. Why would you kill thousands of people just to save the environment or some shit. One day a teenager is going to think its funny to hack into shit like this, and them, boom! Thousands are dead. My solution? Turn off the Wi-Fy in these power plants. And have a closed circuit security system.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:23 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:I haven't found anything on Google News about Greenpeace being behind this. I think that's bullshit. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Greenpeace.

Yeah, I suspected the guy was just having fun at our expense when he mentioned Greenpeace.

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Empire of Narnia wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:I haven't found anything on Google News about Greenpeace being behind this. I think that's bullshit. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Greenpeace.

Yeah, I suspected the guy was just having fun at our expense when he mentioned Greenpeace.


Gee, no shit?
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Postby Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:28 pm

Second Blazing wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:The better question is...

...why the FUCK are nuclear power plant controls connected to the internet?

There is a way to have 100% cybersecurity. It's called having a closed computer system absolutely sealed off from all outside networks in general and the internet in particular.

The controls aren't. Their email however, is.

Oh.

Well, then this is far less significant than people in this thread make it out to be.
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Postby Second Blazing » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:33 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Second Blazing wrote:The controls aren't. Their email however, is.

Oh.

Well, then this is far less significant than people in this thread make it out to be.


Which is why you read the source before the thread, so you actually know what the fuck is going on.
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