A judge passes racist remark : A deeper analysis ?

[Manisdog]

In a certain developed country in the western hemisphere, a judge passed a rather racist and stereotypical remark against an Indian woman, Now this is rather astounding considering that the judiciary in any "Liberal Democracy" ideally should be impartial, honest and objective, this is not only a violation of what is generally considered tolerant behavior but a gross violation of standards that should ideally be maintained by a member of the judiciary. Now what makes me wonder is that if a member of the judiciary can pass such remarks, what would possibly be the attitudes of the general populace towards people from the Indian subcontinent. I would argue against immigrating to the developed countries and certainly some countries would be better than others but in general living like an outsider in any nation would be difficult and the only country that could accept you is your own.

Now there is no doubt that the previously rich lands of India have been pillaged and made poor but if you look in the past 20 years there are tons of opportunities at home than lets say abroad, where things are a little tough and tight, this has produced right wing fringe parties and also contribute the already growing anti-Indian sentiment abroad. Outsourcing of what they believe to be there jobs add fuel to the fire.

Now when Indians travel abroad and work in the west they would not be allowed to excel and as the official line of this judge, who is racist, that we Indians should be doing unimportant and unskilled jobs, this is a prevailing view abroad. If a member of the judiciary can make such remarks this could be unfortunately true, racist indeed but true, Indian history is a tragic history but the future of India is not tragic, I think there are countless opportunities at home and going abroad is a waste.

Now also it is largely not productive to have skilled workers leave abroad nor is it good for them to live as second class citizens abroad, so NSg here are my questions :


Do you believe that Indians abroad get lesser opportunities and discriminatory treatment ?

Would you agree with the judges remarks ?

Do you agree that a member of the judiciary of any country should pass such remarks ?


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[Ethel mermania]

In a certain developed country in the western hemisphere, a judge passed a rather racist and stereotypical remark against an Indian woman, Now this is rather astounding considering that the judiciary in any "Liberal Democracy" ideally should be impartial, honest and objective, this is not only a violation of what is generally considered tolerant behavior but a gross violation of standards that should ideally be maintained by a member of the judiciary. Now what makes me wonder is that if a member of the judiciary can pass such remarks, what would possibly be the attitudes of the general populace towards people from the Indian subcontinent. I would argue against immigrating to the developed countries and certainly some countries would be better than others but in general living like an outsider in any nation would be difficult and the only country that could accept you is your own.

Now there is no doubt that the previously rich lands of India have been pillaged and made poor but if you look in the past 20 years there are tons of opportunities at home than lets say abroad, where things are a little tough and tight, this has produced right wing fringe parties and also contribute the already growing anti-Indian sentiment abroad. Outsourcing of what they believe to be there jobs add fuel to the fire.

Now when Indians travel abroad and work in the west they would not be allowed to excel and as the official line of this judge, who is racist, that we Indians should be doing unimportant and unskilled jobs, this is a prevailing view abroad. If a member of the judiciary can make such remarks this could be unfortunately true, racist indeed but true, Indian history is a tragic history but the future of India is not tragic, I think there are countless opportunities at home and going abroad is a waste.

Now also it is largely not productive to have skilled workers leave abroad nor is it good for them to live as second class citizens abroad, so NSg here are my questions :


Do you believe that Indians abroad get lesser opportunities and discriminatory treatment ?

Would you agree with the judges remarks ?

Do you agree that a member of the judiciary of any country should pass such remarks ?


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The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

[Fortschritte]

OP, we all know well that you likely made this thread for the intent of ripping on Britain, which you love to do. While the judge shouldn't have made the racist remark, I do think you should remember that this happens across the world, and that the judge was forced to step down. So, in the end, the judge was punished.

[Dinake]

In a certain developed country in the western hemisphere, a judge passed a rather racist and stereotypical remark against an Indian woman, Now this is rather astounding considering that the judiciary in any "Liberal Democracy" ideally should be impartial, honest and objective, this is not only a violation of what is generally considered tolerant behavior but a gross violation of standards that should ideally be maintained by a member of the judiciary. Now what makes me wonder is that if a member of the judiciary can pass such remarks, what would possibly be the attitudes of the general populace towards people from the Indian subcontinent. I would argue against immigrating to the developed countries and certainly some countries would be better than others but in general living like an outsider in any nation would be difficult and the only country that could accept you is your own.

Now there is no doubt that the previously rich lands of India have been pillaged and made poor but if you look in the past 20 years there are tons of opportunities at home than lets say abroad, where things are a little tough and tight, this has produced right wing fringe parties and also contribute the already growing anti-Indian sentiment abroad. Outsourcing of what they believe to be there jobs add fuel to the fire.

Now when Indians travel abroad and work in the west they would not be allowed to excel and as the official line of this judge, who is racist, that we Indians should be doing unimportant and unskilled jobs, this is a prevailing view abroad. If a member of the judiciary can make such remarks this could be unfortunately true, racist indeed but true, Indian history is a tragic history but the future of India is not tragic, I think there are countless opportunities at home and going abroad is a waste.

Now also it is largely not productive to have skilled workers leave abroad nor is it good for them to live as second class citizens abroad, so NSg here are my questions :


Do you believe that Indians abroad get lesser opportunities and discriminatory treatment ?(1)

Would you agree with the judges remarks ? (2)

Do you agree that a member of the judiciary of any country should pass such remarks ? (3)


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1. Yes, but it's nowhere near as bad as most other minorities.(at least in America. I recognize that in many middle eastern countries Indians are not treated very well, but that is outside my area of expertise.)
2. No.
3. No, people shouldn't make racist remarks.

[Galloism]

In a certain developed country in the western hemisphere, a judge passed a rather racist and stereotypical remark against an Indian woman, Now this is rather astounding considering that the judiciary in any "Liberal Democracy" ideally should be impartial, honest and objective, this is not only a violation of what is generally considered tolerant behavior but a gross violation of standards that should ideally be maintained by a member of the judiciary. Now what makes me wonder is that if a member of the judiciary can pass such remarks, what would possibly be the attitudes of the general populace towards people from the Indian subcontinent. I would argue against immigrating to the developed countries and certainly some countries would be better than others but in general living like an outsider in any nation would be difficult and the only country that could accept you is your own.

Now there is no doubt that the previously rich lands of India have been pillaged and made poor but if you look in the past 20 years there are tons of opportunities at home than lets say abroad, where things are a little tough and tight, this has produced right wing fringe parties and also contribute the already growing anti-Indian sentiment abroad. Outsourcing of what they believe to be there jobs add fuel to the fire.

Now when Indians travel abroad and work in the west they would not be allowed to excel and as the official line of this judge, who is racist, that we Indians should be doing unimportant and unskilled jobs, this is a prevailing view abroad. If a member of the judiciary can make such remarks this could be unfortunately true, racist indeed but true, Indian history is a tragic history but the future of India is not tragic, I think there are countless opportunities at home and going abroad is a waste.

Now also it is largely not productive to have skilled workers leave abroad nor is it good for them to live as second class citizens abroad, so NSg here are my questions :


Do you believe that Indians abroad get lesser opportunities and discriminatory treatment ?

Would you agree with the judges remarks ?

Do you agree that a member of the judiciary of any country should pass such remarks ?


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The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

He wasn't water boarded hundreds of times and then killed in an "accident", thus, we are tolerating racism.

Or something.

[Valaran]

The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

Exactly. While individually horirible, surely this is a good example of fact that racism isn't tolerated, and how its a minority viewpoint?

[Dutchland-UK-Prussia]

1. Yes, unfortunately.
2. No. Definitely not.
3. No. Judges should be honest and unbiased, but sadly that isn't always the case.

[Manisdog]

In a certain developed country in the western hemisphere, a judge passed a rather racist and stereotypical remark against an Indian woman, Now this is rather astounding considering that the judiciary in any "Liberal Democracy" ideally should be impartial, honest and objective, this is not only a violation of what is generally considered tolerant behavior but a gross violation of standards that should ideally be maintained by a member of the judiciary. Now what makes me wonder is that if a member of the judiciary can pass such remarks, what would possibly be the attitudes of the general populace towards people from the Indian subcontinent. I would argue against immigrating to the developed countries and certainly some countries would be better than others but in general living like an outsider in any nation would be difficult and the only country that could accept you is your own.

Now there is no doubt that the previously rich lands of India have been pillaged and made poor but if you look in the past 20 years there are tons of opportunities at home than lets say abroad, where things are a little tough and tight, this has produced right wing fringe parties and also contribute the already growing anti-Indian sentiment abroad. Outsourcing of what they believe to be there jobs add fuel to the fire.

Now when Indians travel abroad and work in the west they would not be allowed to excel and as the official line of this judge, who is racist, that we Indians should be doing unimportant and unskilled jobs, this is a prevailing view abroad. If a member of the judiciary can make such remarks this could be unfortunately true, racist indeed but true, Indian history is a tragic history but the future of India is not tragic, I think there are countless opportunities at home and going abroad is a waste.

Now also it is largely not productive to have skilled workers leave abroad nor is it good for them to live as second class citizens abroad, so NSg here are my questions :


Do you believe that Indians abroad get lesser opportunities and discriminatory treatment ?

Would you agree with the judges remarks ?

Do you agree that a member of the judiciary of any country should pass such remarks ?


http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 616_1.html

The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

My point is that if a member of a judiciary made such a comment, he must have thought that he would get away with that and there was nothing wrong in saying such things, considering that the judiciary are widely respected in every country, could such a view of Indians be more prevalent among the populations of those certain countries ?

If the judge made such a remark and thought there is some degree of truth to it. than could it be said that Indians are denied opportunity abroad


Also if a member of the judiciary can pass such statements and clearly views Indians as second class citizens should wise and smart Indians stop going to the developed countries of the west and

[Fortschritte]

The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

My point is that if a member of a judiciary made such a comment, he must have thought that he would get away with that and there was nothing wrong in saying such things, considering that the judiciary are widely respected in every country, could such a view of Indians be more prevalent among the populations of those certain countries ?

If the judge made such a remark and thought there is some degree of truth to it. than could it be said that Indians are denied opportunity abroad


Also if a member of the judiciary can pass such statements and clearly views Indians as second class citizens should wise and smart Indians stop going to the developed countries of the west and

Or, more likely, he was just a dullard who didn't think about the consequences of his stupid actions.

[Fartsniffage]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

[Allentyr]

*sigh*

He is under investigation and was forced to step down. Happy? Haha, I know you're not.

[MERIZoC]

The judge stepped down. The right side won. Your point?

[Fortschritte]

*sigh*

He is under investigation and was forced to step down. Happy? Haha, I know you're not.

He's probably happy since this a excuse for one of his infamous anti Britain crusades.

[Manisdog]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

That could be one way of looking at it but also that if such a important and prestigious person can make comments like these in a court of law that is my problem, you see he would have never made such comments if he knew he would have been asked to stepped down, this could be an important indication

[Ethel mermania]

The judge was forced to step down. What's your point?

My point is that if a member of a judiciary made such a comment, he must have thought that he would get away with that and there was nothing wrong in saying such things, considering that the judiciary are widely respected in every country, could such a view of Indians be more prevalent among the populations of those certain countries ?

If the judge made such a remark and thought there is some degree of truth to it. than could it be said that Indians are denied opportunity abroad


Also if a member of the judiciary can pass such statements and clearly views Indians as second class citizens should wise and smart Indians stop going to the developed countries of the west and

The judge couldn't say it, and lost his job over it. So I am not seeing how he got away with it.

If anything, the fact that ms. Patel sentence was vacated. And the judge lost his job, Indians can expect justice in the uk.

[Alyakia]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

That could be one way of looking at it but also that if such a important and prestigious person can make comments like these in a court of law that is my problem, you see he would have never made such comments if he knew he would have been asked to stepped down, this could be an important indication

but they can't

he was clearly mistaken

[Gun Manufacturers]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

That could be one way of looking at it but also that if such a important and prestigious person can make comments like these in a court of law that is my problem, you see he would have never made such comments if he knew he would have been asked to stepped down, this could be an important indication

But he WAS asked to step down for those comments, so what's the problem?

[Fartsniffage]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

That could be one way of looking at it but also that if such a important and prestigious person can make comments like these in a court of law that is my problem, you see he would have never made such comments if he knew he would have been asked to stepped down, this could be an important indication

Have there been incidents previous to this where judges have been able to say similar things and keep their position that would have made this judge feel this way?

[Fortschritte]

I thing this is a fantastic example of just how advanced certain nations have become in fighting racism. I mean, in other nations people are actively being killed in large numbers due to their race or religious beliefs but in many parts of the west a comment that 30 years ago would have just flown under the radar is resulting in a powerful person losing their position.

That could be one way of looking at it but also that if such a important and prestigious person can make comments like these in a court of law that is my problem, you see he would have never made such comments if he knew he would have been asked to stepped down, this could be an important indication

That's a entirely fallacious argument. The judge was likely just not using his noggin. It's not as if he thought to himself "I can't be hurt by my dumb comments, because Britain doesn't care."

[Manisdog]

My point is that if a member of a judiciary made such a comment, he must have thought that he would get away with that and there was nothing wrong in saying such things, considering that the judiciary are widely respected in every country, could such a view of Indians be more prevalent among the populations of those certain countries ?

If the judge made such a remark and thought there is some degree of truth to it. than could it be said that Indians are denied opportunity abroad


Also if a member of the judiciary can pass such statements and clearly views Indians as second class citizens should wise and smart Indians stop going to the developed countries of the west and

The judge couldn't say it, and lost his job over it. So I am not seeing how he got away with it.

If anything, the fact that ms. Patel sentence was vacated. And the judge lost his job, Indians can expect justice in the uk.

Yes indeed It would not have been good publicity if anything happened otherwise, but the point is that the judge thought that he could possibly say this and he did, this might be the opinion of a respectable amount of people and thus he thought that saying such things would not be controversial

[Fortschritte]

The judge couldn't say it, and lost his job over it. So I am not seeing how he got away with it.

If anything, the fact that ms. Patel sentence was vacated. And the judge lost his job, Indians can expect justice in the uk.

Yes indeed It would not have been good publicity if anything happened otherwise, but the point is that the judge thought that he could possibly say this and he did, this might be the opinion of a respectable amount of people and thus he thought that saying such things would not be controversial

Except, there are very, very few people in his country who would hold opinions akin to his.

[Alyakia]

The judge couldn't say it, and lost his job over it. So I am not seeing how he got away with it.

If anything, the fact that ms. Patel sentence was vacated. And the judge lost his job, Indians can expect justice in the uk.

Yes indeed It would not have been good publicity if anything happened otherwise, but the point is that the judge thought that he could possibly say this and he did, this might be the opinion of a respectable amount of people and thus he thought that saying such things would not be controversial

or he thought it wouldn't get out

[Planita]

Manisdog.... <sigh>

[Valaran]

Manisdog.... <sigh>

[Tagmatium]

The judge couldn't say it, and lost his job over it. So I am not seeing how he got away with it.

If anything, the fact that ms. Patel sentence was vacated. And the judge lost his job, Indians can expect justice in the uk.

Yes indeed It would not have been good publicity if anything happened otherwise, but the point is that the judge thought that he could possibly say this and he did, this might be the opinion of a respectable amount of people and thus he thought that saying such things would not be controversial

But he was still made to step down because of it, showing that a "respectable amount of people" thought that it was, in fact, unacceptable.