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Why the lawsuit, and should pot be illegal for all?

They jealous of the monies, and yes, illegal!
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They jealous of the monies, and no, let them lament their losses!
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It's a burden they have to pay, and yes, illegal!
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It's a burden they have to pay, and no, let them lament their losses!
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It's over the money, and yes, illegal!
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It's over the money, and no, let them lament their losses!
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They want to keep the people down, and yes, illegal!
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Oklahoma and Nebraska sue Colorado over weed

Postby Blasted Craigs » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:19 am

As per topic.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/oklahoma-and-nebraska-sue-colorado-over-dangerous-marijuana-law-20141219
The claim the two states make, is that they have to bear the cost of law enforcement when the weed, which can be legally bought in Colorado, travels in the pockets of Nebraskan and Oklahoman tourists when they return to their home states. Not to mention, I guess the local cartels are probably hurting from a drop in sales, since surprisingly, people would rather buy safe and legal weed over some dude on the corner selling possibly unsafe and illegal weed.

So, do you think this is a legitimate concern?
If not, what do you think Nebraska's and Oklahoma's true concerns are?
Do you think the state of Colorado should be forced to make weed illegal again?
If yes or no, why or why not?
My take on this....

I think that this is not a true legitimate concern. Considering that one is only allowed to buy an ounce a day from each establishment, you would have to go to 16 different establishments to even get a pound of the weed. So, unless frat boy cartels are going up and down multiple cities in Colorado to get a few pounds a day, I don't see how this contributes a financial burden on the two neighboring states. My point is, with the limitations in place, it would take a massive effort to legally get a sizable source of weed from Colorado, just to take it back across state lines, to risk jail time to sell it illegally, not to mention the major players, the regular cartels, already have their own supply of the stuff. So there is not only competition, but the risk far out-ways the benefit, as weed in Colorado is comparable in price to the illegal stuff in the other surrounding states.

In fact, as weed becomes cheaper, it will drive the price down, thus damaging the ability of crime cartels to entice people to buy their product, so they lose their customers, or lower the prices, both of which drives their ability to function as normal down.

I think the actual concern of these states is not increased cost, but lost revenue. You see, the states make a LOT of money off the drug war, in confiscated property and assets. It is an indirect way to tax the poor, and an extra tax on anyone else who buys drugs. When convicted in a drug offense, the state takes any assets, to include retirement and disability, you might have. This is covered already under civil forfeiture laws, but it makes it easy to take one's money because any amount of cash can be used for, in the opinion of the arresting officer, to "buy drugs."

So, there is a massive financial reason to make drugs stay illegal, especially the gateway drug, weed. And the reason weed is a gateway drug is illegal producers will often splice more expensive drugs into the weed, to get a person hooked, thus buying the more expensive and more profitable drugs. This problem is eradicated with legalization. Not many people say, "I want to be a crack head!"

The fact this makes it easy to lock up many minorities, since punishment can be mitigated or expanded at the perusal of the judge sitting on the bench for drug offenses, thus ensuring many minorities never vote, is icing on the cake for these government officials, since minorities often vote liberal, and these are conservative states. So although I don't think this is a primary concern, I believe they see this as a great benefit.

So I think, no, Colorado should not be forced to make weed illegal. I say this because of the great boons to society from the legalization of weed, even though I plan to never smoke the stuff, just like I never plan to smoke cigarettes. But just because I don't plan on using it, does not mean I think no one ever should.

So, what say you?
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:25 am

Looks like some governors need a joint rolled and delivered to them.

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Postby Davinhia » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:28 am

It's gone way way way too far. I don't really care if people smoke it medicinally, but for recreation, and to cause a problem like this is outrageous. You tried making weed legal, but I guess you failed. I think it's time to ban it. That's really all that I can say.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:29 am

I say that you shouldn't have limited the poll to a single response per voter.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:30 am

Oklahoma and Nebraska won't win. The ruling will probably be, "states can legalize marijuana grown and sold in state but the federal government can restrict interstate transport and sale".
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Postby Burleson 2 » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:31 am

Keep pot illegal.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:31 am

Seems like a stupid precedent to set if they win.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:35 am

i don't know where they get the extra time and money to do stupid lawsuits like this. don't they have actual state legal business to take care of?

it may be that there is some constitutional question of whether or not Colorado can legalize something that the federal government says is illegal but NE and OK have nothing to do with that. it really doesn't hurt them at all.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:36 am

So now what, is Idaho going to sue Washington?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:36 am

Burleson 2 wrote:Keep pot illegal.
I proudly support Oklahoma and Nebraska in their efforts to prevent the "stoning of America"


And you still have no legitimate argument to back your position. What is it really for you? Associate it with those dirty hippies? The scary people selling it in the inner cities?

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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:38 am

actually, if they are worried about it so much they ought to be suing the federal government over its new rule of leaving the states that have legalized marijuana for medical purposes (and recreational?) alone. that at least would make some sense.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:41 am

Geilinor wrote:Oklahoma and Nebraska won't win. The ruling will probably be, "states can legalize marijuana grown and sold in state but the federal government can restrict interstate transport and sale".

Basically this.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:44 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Oklahoma and Nebraska won't win. The ruling will probably be, "states can legalize marijuana grown and sold in state but the federal government can restrict interstate transport and sale".

Basically this.

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the ruling, if it gets that far, would be "states can legalize marijuana grown and sold in the state but the federal government can enforce its own laws on the growing, distribution and sale of the drug inside and outside of the state"
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:46 am

Nebraska and Oklahoma just need to put the following on the roads entering from Colorado into there states.

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A detour around there states.

In reality, Nebraska has a major interstate that goes into Colorado but not Oklahoma. See the following large map.

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Postby Arcanda » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:50 am

I'm in favor of legalization, but if the Oklahoman or Nebraskan citizens don't want it, it's their choice and it shouldn't be forced upon them.It also works the other way around.

However, if it creates problems, then Colorado is at the origin of the problem, and should regulate their borders better so the problem doesn't fall on those who didn't provoke it in the first place.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:54 am

Arcanda wrote:I'm in favor of legalization, but if the Oklahoman or Nebraskan citizens don't want it, it's their choice and it shouldn't be forced upon them.It also works the other way around.

However, if it creates problems, then Colorado is at the origin of the problem, and should regulate their borders better so the problem doesn't fall on those who didn't provoke it in the first place.

Oklahoma and Nebraska are responsible for their state law. The federal government enforces federal prohibitions, OK and NE enforce theirs. The way I'm understanding it, there are two laws, one law being the state's to enforce.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:58 am

Yet they don't bitch about enforcement costs when people buy booze and smokes in other states and don't report it.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:59 am

Arcanda wrote:I'm in favor of legalization, but if the Oklahoman or Nebraskan citizens don't want it, it's their choice and it shouldn't be forced upon them.It also works the other way around.

However, if it creates problems, then Colorado is at the origin of the problem, and should regulate their borders better so the problem doesn't fall on those who didn't provoke it in the first place.

i was a bit surprised when driving back to NM from CO that there weren't cops on the border looking for marijuana importers. i guess its not a priority and, well, there is plenty of weed in NM without worrying about the little bit brought in from legal sales in CO.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:08 am

Oh boo hoo, they have to bear the costs of their own laws. Maybe they should stop being stupid and legalize marijuana.

They certainly have no authority over Colorado law

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Postby WestRedMaple » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:09 am

Davinhia wrote:It's gone way way way too far. I don't really care if people smoke it medicinally, but for recreation, and to cause a problem like this is outrageous. You tried making weed legal, but I guess you failed. I think it's time to ban it. That's really all that I can say.


Um, failed? Weed is legal in Colorado.

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Postby Blasted Craigs » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:11 am

Davinhia wrote:It's gone way way way too far. I don't really care if people smoke it medicinally, but for recreation, and to cause a problem like this is outrageous. You tried making weed legal, but I guess you failed. I think it's time to ban it. That's really all that I can say.

So am I safe to assume you believe in the concept of states having "powers" and not rights? So, you are for the legalization of gay marriage as well, right? Since the banning of it is due to the efforts of the states, and it causes a problem that gay couples are forced to live in states that do not have the ban, thus increasing the population. Thus, using this argument, the bans the states put in place should not be respected,as the federal position is it should be legal, thus the concept of banning it "failed".
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Postby WestRedMaple » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:11 am

Arcanda wrote:I'm in favor of legalization, but if the Oklahoman or Nebraskan citizens don't want it, it's their choice and it shouldn't be forced upon them.It also works the other way around.

However, if it creates problems, then Colorado is at the origin of the problem, and should regulate their borders better so the problem doesn't fall on those who didn't provoke it in the first place.


The 'problem' is created by Oklahoma and Nebraska laws. Enforcing their laws is THEIR responsibility.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:16 am

So far, federal courts haven't really been kind to states trying to legalize weed in various capacities, so I don't know that they will be this time. Especially since this suit lies in the thing that's been used to slap weed states before, interstate commerce. Up to this point medical marijuana states have just more or less gone, "Well, like, that's just your opinion...man" and carried on, but with recreational weed I don't know that they'll be able to make that stand as successfully.

I do think that there probably are a fair amount of people rolling into CO and buying a zip to take back to Nebraska or Oklahoma to make having to live in Nebraska or Oklahoma more bearable. How much more this is costing them is...no idea...
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:17 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Arcanda wrote:I'm in favor of legalization, but if the Oklahoman or Nebraskan citizens don't want it, it's their choice and it shouldn't be forced upon them.It also works the other way around.

However, if it creates problems, then Colorado is at the origin of the problem, and should regulate their borders better so the problem doesn't fall on those who didn't provoke it in the first place.

i was a bit surprised when driving back to NM from CO that there weren't cops on the border looking for marijuana importers. i guess its not a priority and, well, there is plenty of weed in NM without worrying about the little bit brought in from legal sales in CO.


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Postby Manisdog » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:38 am

Ok the state of colarado should make sure that the weed, which is legal in there state goes to the other states with tight border controls, it would be the best thing to do

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