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Do you believe in evolution?

YES, I believe humans are animals
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NO, God created everything (GENESIS 1:1)
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I don't know
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Why not both?
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Why do people believe in evolution?

Postby Sahrani South » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:07 am

In my opinion, one of the most insidious and damaging ideology ever foisted upon the mind of modern man is the notion that human beings are but animals, and the offspring of other, more primitive creatures. It is known as the theory of evolution.

Ever notice how evolutionists will manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism? For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they’re found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called “circular reasoning.” One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.

The evolutionary cycle is never ending, but they too cannot explain why according to their Darwin inspired calculations that there has been no new species recorded for hundreds of millions of years, let alone the true 6000 years as reality dictates.

They also state it takes billions of years for each animal, insect or plant to evolve. If that's true, why do we have termites? Termites eat wood but can't digest it. In their intestines are smaller insects that digest the cellulose the termites place in there for them. Kind of like the worm inside the cricket. The termite can't exist without the smaller insect, and the smaller insect can't live without the termite. If evolution is true neither insect should be on this planet.

Surely, if evolution was not guided by a God, then we would not have evolved minds geared toward truth, only survival. In that case, why don't smarter people live longer and have more chilfren?

If our IQ is a product of evolution and survival then why are humans the only ones with the higher intellect? And why do people with higher IQs not live any longer than regular people?

If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?

I think that many people today accept evolution as true merely because they have been taught to believe it, despite being a very flawed and contradictory theory without any real proof.

What do you think, NSers, why do people believe in evolution?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:08 am

Because there's evidence.

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I'm debating on whether or not I should even bother with a response. I'd like to think that I have more productive things to do then force logic on unbelievably stubborn people.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Because there's overwhelming evidence for evolution, and none for the garden myth.

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It evolved into a better answer. ;)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:11 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Because there's overwhelming evidence for evolution, and none for the garden myth.

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It evolved into a better answer. ;)


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You saw it here folks, undeniable proof of evolution.
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Postby Transyl » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:11 am

Because there is scientific evidence, as in fossils. And besides it makes more sense than a magical man creating the world and making humans just appear out of thin air. I would rather believe in the facts backed up with evidence than believing in some invisible being who supposedly created the world and everything in it within seven days. Why praise something that you cannot see and there is no legitimate evidence besides 'documents', sometimes you cannot trust documented things because what if they just made it up, that is a possibility. Back then you could get away with lying and everyone would believe what you say because they trusted each others word.
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Postby Sahrani South » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:13 am

Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

They are taught that if given enough time, a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and eventually type President's Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address. This is nonsense.

Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly.

What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity! Time does not make impossible things possible.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:13 am

Because it is a scientific theory. You don't decide whether or not you believe in gravity.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:13 am

As a fellow Christian, these ops really make my head hurt.

I believe in Intelligent Design, but there is nothing in evolution, the Big Bang, modern astrophysics etc. that is contrary to Christian teachings.

So please. Just. I don't know.

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:14 am

Sahrani South wrote:Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.


Please. Please. Source what peer-reviewed scientific journal says such bullsh*t. I beg you.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:15 am

Sahrani South wrote:Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.


Lol.

You know nothing about evolution.
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Postby Sahrani South » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16 am

Transyl wrote:Because there is scientific evidence, as in fossils. And besides it makes more sense than a magical man creating the world and making humans just appear out of thin air. I would rather believe in the facts backed up with evidence than believing in some invisible being who supposedly created the world and everything in it within seven days. Why praise something that you cannot see and there is no legitimate evidence besides 'documents', sometimes you cannot trust documented things because what if they just made it up, that is a possibility. Back then you could get away with lying and everyone would believe what you say because they trusted each others word.


There is no fossil evidence to support the "ape-man" image, which is unceasingly promulgated by the media and evolutionist academic circles. With brushes in their hands, evolutionists produce imaginary creatures, nevertheless, the fact that these drawings correspond to no matching fossils constitutes a serious problem for them. Despite the fact that no complete "transitional form" fossil has ever been found, the theory of evolution is taught more than ever in classrooms around the world. We keep finding more and more huge burial sites of dinosaurs, which are supposedly 65 million years old, yet we cannot find a single skeleton of a half man, half ape, pre-human being. Such fossils should stand a much better chance of being preserved, since they would only be maybe tens of thousands of years old, not millions as with the dinosaurs (in the evolutionist's timeline). Now why do you suppose this is? Maybe simply because evolution never happened? If evolution were true, we would find at least thousands of skeletons of the "transitional" skeletons shown in the evolutionist drawing below. Now if I were a believer in evolution, I would need to seriously question my faith in the absence of any such skeletons.
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Postby Yngen » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16 am

Your arguments are all literally just 'IF WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS WHY ARE THERE MONKEYS'.

They are based on a massive failure to understand the principles of evolution, as well as carbon dating and reproduction.

Evolution is not actually survival of the FITTEST, it is survival of the one most likely to reproduce. Being intelligent, or strong, or whatever, might help your chances of reproducing, but so might being resilient to disease, or the ability to produce hundreds of babbie monsters in one sex bout, or blissfully unaware stupidity. Us finding a new way to reproduce successfully doesn't mean that monkeys still can't reproduce successfully, or find other ways to do so. Evolution isn't some kind of contest where every single organism is weighed against every other and then one is made extinct, like some supernatural game of Top Trumps. Just FYI.


Let me ask you this:
If a higher being really designed humans by hand, then why on earth would it put the pleasure and waste disposal functions right next to each other, and why on earth would it make us vitally dependent on one single tube being free of solid matter to breathe, and then insist we shovel solid matter down said tube to live?

There is plenty of room for religion and evolution together right now. But I'm not entirely sure your OP is serious, given how baseless every single claim it makes seems to be.
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Postby Fortschritte » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16 am

Sahrani South wrote:Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

They are taught that if given enough time, a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and eventually type President's Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address. This is nonsense.

Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly.

What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity! Time does not make impossible things possible.


Your post lacks any sense whatsoever. Quite franky, I can't wrap my head around it. No scientific support? Evolution is the only theory with any valid scientific support. And, it has a staggering 99.9% of support from scientists.

http://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/20 ... tory03.htm
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Postby Fortschritte » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:17 am

Sahrani South wrote:
Transyl wrote:Because there is scientific evidence, as in fossils. And besides it makes more sense than a magical man creating the world and making humans just appear out of thin air. I would rather believe in the facts backed up with evidence than believing in some invisible being who supposedly created the world and everything in it within seven days. Why praise something that you cannot see and there is no legitimate evidence besides 'documents', sometimes you cannot trust documented things because what if they just made it up, that is a possibility. Back then you could get away with lying and everyone would believe what you say because they trusted each others word.


There is no fossil evidence to support the "ape-man" image, which is unceasingly promulgated by the media and evolutionist academic circles. With brushes in their hands, evolutionists produce imaginary creatures, nevertheless, the fact that these drawings correspond to no matching fossils constitutes a serious problem for them. Despite the fact that no complete "transitional form" fossil has ever been found, the theory of evolution is taught more than ever in classrooms around the world. We keep finding more and more huge burial sites of dinosaurs, which are supposedly 65 million years old, yet we cannot find a single skeleton of a half man, half ape, pre-human being. Such fossils should stand a much better chance of being preserved, since they would only be maybe tens of thousands of years old, not millions as with the dinosaurs (in the evolutionist's timeline). Now why do you suppose this is? Maybe simply because evolution never happened? If evolution were true, we would find at least thousands of skeletons of the "transitional" skeletons shown in the evolutionist drawing below. Now if I were a believer in evolution, I would need to seriously question my faith in the absence of any such skeletons.


Sorry, we have fossil evidence for ape men. That's kind of how we, y'know, know they existed.
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Postby Sahrani South » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am

Fortschritte wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Life did not start with a bolt of lightning striking a pond of water as claimed by the main stream scientists.

Kids are taught that life can evolve given enough time. This is a false statement without any scientific support.

They are taught that if given enough time, a monkey at a typewriter could punch keys at random and eventually type President's Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address. This is nonsense.

Time does not make impossible things possible. As an example, a computer was programmed in an attempt to arrive at the simple 26-letter alphabet. After 35,000,000,000,000 (35 trillion) attempts it has only arrived at 14 letters correctly.

What are the odds that a simple single cell organism could evolve given the complexity of more than 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations all in the correct places? Never in eternity! Time does not make impossible things possible.


Your post lacks any sense whatsoever. Quite franky, I can't wrap my head around it. No scientific support? Evolution is the only theory with any valid scientific support. And, it has a staggering 99.9% of support from scientists.

http://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/20 ... tory03.htm


Certainly, all of evolution's teachings are farfetched, but none any more farfetched than the notion that the neck of a giraffe grew longer and longer over millions of years in order to obtain food from the tops of trees. So how did giraffes survive for millions of years before they were able to reach the food? Did they climb trees? The teachings of evolution are so far-fetched.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am

OP looks like copypasta anyway. I've reported it.

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Postby Risottia » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am

Sahrani South wrote:In my opinion, one of the most insidious and damaging ideology ever foisted upon the mind of modern man is the notion that human beings are but animals, and the offspring of other, more primitive creatures. It is known as the theory of evolution.

Yeah! Just look how many acts of terrorism and genocides have been committed in the name of evolution by rabid hordes of brutish ape-men who shouted "Darwinu Akhbar! Dawkins vult!".

Oh wait.

If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?

:palm:
Ever noticed how creationists try to build huge strawmen of evolution while not having even the slightest grasp of what it is, or of what a theory is?

I think that many people today accept evolution as true merely because they have been taught to believe it, despite being a very flawed and contradictory theory without any real proof.

Quoth the creationist. :rofl:

why do people believe in evolution?

People don't believe in evolution. They observe it happening. And scientists have described it with a theory, which is internally coherent and supported by objective measurements. In the meantime, creationists were busy denying the blatant evidence.
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Postby Fortschritte » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am

Sahrani South wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Your post lacks any sense whatsoever. Quite franky, I can't wrap my head around it. No scientific support? Evolution is the only theory with any valid scientific support. And, it has a staggering 99.9% of support from scientists.

http://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/20 ... tory03.htm


Certainly, all of evolution's teachings are farfetched, but none any more farfetched than the notion that the neck of a giraffe grew longer and longer over millions of years in order to obtain food from the tops of trees. So how did giraffes survive for millions of years before they were able to reach the food? Did they climb trees? The teachings of evolution are so far-fetched.


Excuse me, answer my question instead of talking about motherfucking giraffes.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:19 am

If you actually knew even an ounce of our biochemical pathways, or even biology, you'd instantly realise how imperfect our physiology is. For example, there is a redundant transport system in our lipid catalysis pathway that doesn't make sense, but can be tracked down to the biochemistry of a bacterial organism that uses that same pathway to harvest biomolecules.

Evolution has more than fossils backing it up, and you'd do well to study the material you're criticising before throwing away any credibility you have with this pseudo-philosophy.

Your understanding of evolution is far too simple, and I encourage you to study it more extensively. You should also seek further enlightenment about how the sedimentary layers in the earth are truly dated.

If evolution was guided by God, it would not have been so messy, disorganised and littered with little mistakes on every path to begin with.

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Postby Sahrani South » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:19 am

Why are evolutionists so afraid of debating this? Maybe they know that there is no solid proof?
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Come up with your own arguments, don't just copypasta and act like it's your own.
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