Can we prove GMO's are bad?

[Araksasya]

I mean, it's definitely not natural, but how do we prove these mutated things are bad. Blue eyes are mutations and we don't hate on blue eyd peeps right?

Please put your:

Stance on GMO's
Further explain stance
Do you ever eat GMO's

[United Marxist Nations]

Stance on GMO's
Further explain stance
Do you ever eat GMO's

1) They are necessary to accommodate the future population.
2) They have higher yield rates with less effort.
3) All the time, just about all plants I eat are.

[Olerand]

I don't know much about the subject, but I know that I don't want GMO crops in the wild until they are proven without a doubt to be harmless, to humans, animals, and nature. It will probably happen sometimes in the future.

Also, no to Monsanto. If France ever allows GMOs, I'd want Monsanto kept out. Maybe the farmers here can form a cooperative or something.

Until then, no GMOs.

[Araksasya]

Stance on GMO's
Further explain stance
Do you ever eat GMO's

1) They are necessary to accommodate the future population.
2) They have higher yield rates with less effort.
3) All the time, just about all plants I eat are.

We are already overpopulated!

[United Marxist Nations]

1) They are necessary to accommodate the future population.
2) They have higher yield rates with less effort.
3) All the time, just about all plants I eat are.

We are already overpopulated!

So, what do you want to do about it? We need GMO's to accommodate them.

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

Stance on GMO's
Further explain stance
Do you ever eat GMO's

1) They are necessary to accommodate the future population.
2) They have higher yield rates with less effort.
3) All the time, just about all plants I eat are.

This.

[Olerand]

We are already overpopulated!

So, what do you want to do about it? We need GMO's to accommodate them.

Immediately fund women's education programs in third world countries. Provide aid for development.
Hell, I'm almost of the opinion France should hand out condoms in its embassies in some of its former colonies.

Certainly not allow everyone to keep reproducing under the guise that we'll just accommodate them.
Even with GMOs, we won't.

[Margno]

No, and its completely arbitrary why we've seized upon this industry when the arguments used against it are literally true of all technology. Genetically engineered crops are an extremely good thing and this opposition is just irrational fear and misinformation, and that's a problem because GMOs are important. They might save a lot of lives in the third world. But they're being opposed at every turn by political lobbyists who don't even have any evidence of what they're saying, and it's scaring everyone into inaction.
I thought being a leftist was about being opposed to pseudoscience and pointless scare mongering. This is the second time the environmentalist movement has disappointed me like this, with the first being nuclear energy.

[Olivaero]

I mean, it's definitely not natural, but how do we prove these mutated things are bad. Blue eyes are mutations and we don't hate on blue eyd peeps right?

Please put your:

Stance on GMO's
Further explain stance
Do you ever eat GMO's

It's as natural as evolution, humans have just simulated the speeding up of the process in the direction we need it to go as we require because otherwise an awful lot of people would be starving right now.

My stance on GMO's is that they are a good and intelligent way to dealing with famine and will definitely become more necessary in the near future, I don't know if I'd eaten GMO's I assume I have.

[Araksasya]

Read Title, Me Too Lazy

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

So, what do you want to do about it? We need GMO's to accommodate them.

Immediately fund women's education programs in third world countries. Provide aid for development.
Hell, I'm almost of the opinion France should hand out condoms in its embassies in some of its former colonies.

Certainly not allow everyone to keep reproducing under the guise that we'll just accommodate them.
Even with GMOs, we won't.

Using GMO plants, we certainly could(easily if countries, especially the incredibly short-sighted US, stopped being so wasteful). The problem is that "organic" food proselytizers won't buy GMO crops. Since europe is the big importer and has a lot of laws against GMOs, and africa is the historic and logical provider of that imported foodstuff, african farmers are forced to grow inefficient crops that have a chance of being totally wiped out by a drought or blight. It's a contributing factor to how much suck there is in africa.

[Araksasya]

We are already overpopulated!

So, what do you want to do about it? We need GMO's to accommodate them.

Accommodate who, evil religious freaks, capitalists, staright edges!?!?

[Olerand]

Immediately fund women's education programs in third world countries. Provide aid for development.
Hell, I'm almost of the opinion France should hand out condoms in its embassies in some of its former colonies.

Certainly not allow everyone to keep reproducing under the guise that we'll just accommodate them.
Even with GMOs, we won't.

Using GMO plants, we certainly could(easily if countries, especially the incredibly short-sighted US, stopped being so wasteful). The problem is that "organic" food proselytizers won't buy GMO crops. Since europe is the big importer, and africa is the historic and logical provider of that imported foodstuff, african farmers are forced to grow inefficient crops that have a change of being totally wiped out by a drought or blight. It's a contributing factor to how much suck there is in africa.

Are you suggesting we import our agricultural needs from Africa? Europe imports agricultural products from Africa?

[Araksasya]

Immediately fund women's education programs in third world countries. Provide aid for development.
Hell, I'm almost of the opinion France should hand out condoms in its embassies in some of its former colonies.

Certainly not allow everyone to keep reproducing under the guise that we'll just accommodate them.
Even with GMOs, we won't.

Using GMO plants, we certainly could(easily if countries, especially the incredibly short-sighted US, stopped being so wasteful). The problem is that "organic" food proselytizers won't buy GMO crops. Since europe is the big importer and has a lot of laws against GMOs, and africa is the historic and logical provider of that imported foodstuff, african farmers are forced to grow inefficient crops that have a chance of being totally wiped out by a drought or blight. It's a contributing factor to how much suck there is in africa.

WE canfind better ways to help the world, besides plants grown from synthetic DNA and nuclear watse (I'm half kidding here, so don't correct me!) But seriously though, we can!

[Araksasya]

Using GMO plants, we certainly could(easily if countries, especially the incredibly short-sighted US, stopped being so wasteful). The problem is that "organic" food proselytizers won't buy GMO crops. Since europe is the big importer and has a lot of laws against GMOs, and africa is the historic and logical provider of that imported foodstuff, african farmers are forced to grow inefficient crops that have a chance of being totally wiped out by a drought or blight. It's a contributing factor to how much suck there is in africa.

WE, not just corporations can find better ways to help the world, besides plants grown from synthetic DNA and nuclear watse (I'm half kidding here, so don't correct me!) But seriously though, we can!

[Zunkwentania]

No, and its completely arbitrary why we've seized upon this industry when the arguments used against it are literally true of all technology. Genetically engineered crops are an extremely good thing and this opposition is just irrational fear and misinformation, and that's a problem because GMOs are important. They might save a lot of lives in the third world. But they're being opposed at every turn by political lobbyists who don't even have any evidence of what they're saying, and it's scaring everyone into inaction.
I thought being a leftist was about being opposed to pseudoscience and pointless scare mongering. This is the second time the environmentalist movement has disappointed me like this, with the first being nuclear energy.

Exactly my view.

[Communist Volkstrad]

No, and its completely arbitrary why we've seized upon this industry when the arguments used against it are literally true of all technology. Genetically engineered crops are an extremely good thing and this opposition is just irrational fear and misinformation, and that's a problem because GMOs are important. They might save a lot of lives in the third world. But they're being opposed at every turn by political lobbyists who don't even have any evidence of what they're saying, and it's scaring everyone into inaction.
I thought being a leftist was about being opposed to pseudoscience and pointless scare mongering. This is the second time the environmentalist movement has disappointed me like this, with the first being nuclear energy.

Exactly my view.

I second that.

[Divitaen]

Stance on GMOs? Simple. Congressional research from all reputable scientific and research institutions reach the same conclusion. There is no health risk associated with GMOs that is significantly greater than regular food items. They are safe to eat. Most of anti-GMO stigma comes from un-scientific speculation and fear about what "could" happen if we ate it, without due consideration for the science. Seriously, this is like the global warming equivalent. There is broad scientific consensus on this issue: GM crops are no greater health risk than conventional food. Would I eat it? Yeah, of course. Golden Rice and Roundup Ready have already revolutionised the food market, and this is a trend we all should promote.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

Using GMO plants, we certainly could(easily if countries, especially the incredibly short-sighted US, stopped being so wasteful). The problem is that "organic" food proselytizers won't buy GMO crops. Since europe is the big importer, and africa is the historic and logical provider of that imported foodstuff, african farmers are forced to grow inefficient crops that have a change of being totally wiped out by a drought or blight. It's a contributing factor to how much suck there is in africa.

Are you suggesting we import our agricultural needs from Africa? Europe imports agricultural products from Africa?

What happens in a bad year.

[Stalwart Allies]

No.

Because they aren't.

/thread

[Empire of Narnia]

Stance on GMO's: They're good.
Further explain stance: GMOs allow more food to be made for cheaper.
Do you ever eat GMO's: Yeah

[Olerand]

Are you suggesting we import our agricultural needs from Africa? Europe imports agricultural products from Africa?

What happens in a bad year.

You are talking of niche products, not great agricultural needs. We import "green beans and avocados"(we can get those in South America)" and buckets of decorative flowers". Not wheat, or basic foodstuffs.

We don't import food from Africa. We import niche and exotic products, like "buckets of decorative flowers".

EDIT: Any extra wheat or such products we need, we get from America or Russia.

[Benuty]

Nope.

I can however prove that people who want a total conversion to organic methods of farming are uneducated genocidal primitivists .

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

What happens in a bad year.

You are talking of niche products, not great agricultural needs. We import "green beans and avocados"(we can get those in South America)" and buckets of decorative flowers". Not wheat, or basic foodstuffs.
We don't import food from Africa. We import niche and exotic products, like "buckets of decorative flowers".

Please read the whole article before claiming that your country doesn't really need those imports.

[Napkiraly]

1) No, because the technology itself isn't bad.
2) We've been modifying, changing, etc. the genetics of crops for thousands of years. Now we can do more, faster, with greater accuracy, and have a better control. We can gain a lot from increased crop yields, drought resistance, pest resistance, greater nutrition, etc. It's a beneficial technology and the amount of vilification it gets is...*sigh*
3) Yes, though rarely since GMO's aren't as big a thing in Europe. Though the rules have changed recently iirc and the UK will probably start growing more.