by Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:55 am
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:08 am
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:09 am
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:17 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:There are gay men and lesbians who wince at those who fall into the stereotype, and whose coming out processes were further complicated by a desire to not be associated with them.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:18 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Values are my big concern.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:19 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They're absolute fuckups doing colonization and internalization as spoon-fed to them while actual issues like transphobia and corrective rape are set aside just so they can pay lip service to cis heteros, knowing cis heteros as a group will never think we are exactly like them with their culture, religion and perspective as historically constructed.
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:27 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:There are gay men and lesbians who wince at those who fall into the stereotype, and whose coming out processes were further complicated by a desire to not be associated with them.
They're absolute fuckups doing colonization and internalization as spoon-fed to them while actual issues like transphobia and corrective rape are set aside just so they can pay lip service to cis heteros, knowing cis heteros as a group will never think we are exactly like them with their culture, religion and perspective as historically constructed.
So, yeah, fuck those people. Not as much as actual hateful members of the oppressive group but fuck them too.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:29 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:They're absolute fuckups doing colonization and internalization as spoon-fed to them while actual issues like transphobia and corrective rape are set aside just so they can pay lip service to cis heteros, knowing cis heteros as a group will never think we are exactly like them with their culture, religion and perspective as historically constructed.
What the fuck is this? This is like irredentism for sexuality.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:32 am
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:34 am
Conserative Morality wrote:What the fuck is this? This is like irredentism for sexuality.
by Sahrani South » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:35 am
by The Flood » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:35 am
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:38 am
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Let's both be honest, dearie, since you're apparently incapable of being polite. Oh, but that get in the way of your self-righteous mouth foaming, wouldn't it? You poor thing.
You've almost certainly done precisely fuck all to end whatever it is you're ranting about. Transphobia and corrective rape are serious issues, so what (other than whining on some tumblr blog) have you done to help? What makes you so special as to criticize how I choose to express myself?
Nothing.
You're telling people they're scum for not fitting your standards, calling people whose expressions of their sexuality and personhood are every bit as valid as your own. In that way, you're helping to perpetuate a toxicity in the LGBT+ community.
And that makes opinions like yours the worst kind of hypocrisy.
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:39 am
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:42 am
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Everything to you people is too radical when it comes from people who aren't expected to have strong opinions.
No, it's because your opinions are neither well thought out nor well articulated, and come off either as bad satire or a race to the bottom of the Oppression Olympics.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:48 am
The Nuclear Fist wrote:HetRio represents what I laid out in my direct response to the OP. Check it out.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Everything to you people is too radical when it comes from people who aren't expected to have strong opinions.
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:48 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The Nuclear Fist wrote:Let's both be honest, dearie, since you're apparently incapable of being polite. Oh, but that get in the way of your self-righteous mouth foaming, wouldn't it? You poor thing.
You've almost certainly done precisely fuck all to end whatever it is you're ranting about. Transphobia and corrective rape are serious issues, so what (other than whining on some tumblr blog) have you done to help? What makes you so special as to criticize how I choose to express myself?
Nothing.
You're telling people they're scum for not fitting your standards, calling people whose expressions of their sexuality and personhood are every bit as valid as your own. In that way, you're helping to perpetuate a toxicity in the LGBT+ community.
And that makes opinions like yours the worst kind of hypocrisy.
The interesting bit is that I said I have nothing against butch, hetero-passable gay men and femme, hetero-passable lesbian women.
You on the other hand is always complaining about claimed poseurs who make a possible mockery of us...
Also pretty nice jab at the validity of internet discussions and information. It's not like they aren't changing much of the world at all.
I'm against right-wing/colonized cissexist gays, not gays who aren't interested in the community. Learn to interpret a text.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:49 am
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:I'm not sure that I'm expressing this clearly, but it can largely be summed up this way: What's the big deal if someone feels more comfortable exhibiting certain cultural or subcultural characteristics? Why are we so easily offended by this?
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:50 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Since when do I care about opinions of anti-SJW LGBT people who don't grasp shit of what we talk about because they're too busy arguing in sites where we are just a side issue rather than a central point of discussion and thought?
You come off bad satire. To whatever "moderate liberal" cause or attitude there might ever be. If you're so busy demanding respect from everyone, you should know better about not judging activist attitudes that arise from meaningful frustration so readily. Such as for example the Gay Inc. attitude of groups like HRC and whatever relevant "LGBT rights" organization to have ever existed in Brazil.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:52 am
Conserative Morality wrote:'You people'? Jesus Christ.
Let me clear something up for you: generally speaking, heterosexuality is not a defining characteristic for worldviews. I expect people to have strong opinions. I hold a great deal of disdain for those who don't. But I also expect people not to hold stupid opinions, and I turn try to refrain from the same.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:53 am
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Except the post I originally responded to came off as you bitching that LGBT folks were irritated at constantly getting lumped together with utter stereotypes. Nowhere in your post did you say you were okay witch any of that, but nice try.
And perhaps learning to better articulate your opinions into something other than nigh meaningless gibberish peppered with impotent rage and tumblrite buzzwords? People might not misinterpret you so much. Oh, but I shouldn't judge you, it isn't as if you haven't been writing in english for years.
by The Nuclear Fist » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:55 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Since when do I care about opinions of anti-SJW LGBT people who don't grasp shit of what we talk about because they're too busy arguing in sites where we are just a side issue rather than a central point of discussion and thought?
You come off bad satire. To whatever "moderate liberal" cause or attitude there might ever be. If you're so busy demanding respect from everyone, you should know better about not judging activist attitudes that arise from meaningful frustration so readily. Such as for example the Gay Inc. attitude of groups like HRC and whatever relevant "LGBT rights" organization to have ever existed in Brazil.
Wow. "Fuck everyone who doesn't agree with me", eh? Sounds less like fighting for LGBT rights and more like fighting for a very specific worldview. Shit, do you expect LGBT people to only enter sites where LGBT topics are just one of many instead of the focus of the discussion? Some people have lives that don't revolve around who they're attracted to, or what sex they were born as.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:55 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Wow. "Fuck everyone who doesn't agree with me", eh? Sounds less like fighting for LGBT rights and more like fighting for a very specific worldview. Shit, do you expect LGBT people to only enter sites where LGBT topics are just one of many instead of the focus of the discussion? Some people have lives that don't revolve around who they're attracted to, or what sex they were born as.
by Grenartia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:56 am
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The interesting bit is that I said I have nothing against butch, hetero-passable gay men and femme, hetero-passable lesbian women.
You on the other hand is always complaining about claimed poseurs who make a possible mockery of us...
Also pretty nice jab at the validity of internet discussions and information. It's not like they aren't changing much of the world at all.
I'm against right-wing/colonized cissexist gays, not gays who aren't interested in the community. Learn to interpret a text.
Except the post I originally responded to came off as you bitching that LGBT folks were irritated at constantly getting lumped together with utter stereotypes. Nowhere in your post did you say you were okay witch any of that, but nice try.
And perhaps learning to better articulate your opinions into something other than nigh meaningless gibberish peppered with impotent rage and tumblrite buzzwords? People might not misinterpret you so much. Oh, but I shouldn't judge you, it isn't as if you haven't been writing in english for years.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:59 am
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:CM, this forum has literally got white nationalists and you direct your frustration about identity essentialism at me?
I'm not talking about your personal opinion, I'm talking about the embodiment of our (queer people's) politics as harmful and toxic when we're actually just saying queer people should respect themselves and learn to value their own kind before what they are taught to be normal because no one else will do this homework for us.
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