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Postby United facist States of America » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 am

Often you hear criticism of the EU but Never do you hear anything about the Others. We have the African Union where some have actually Advocated to create an african Federation. Then there is the south American Union. The Association of South East asian Nations, the Pacific Islands Forum and a few Others. NSG why do you think that These don't get so much attention as the European Union does.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:28 am

Euro-centric media makes the European Union look more important to the world than the others. However, I'm not sure if the African Union is really working right now. I wish Africa would one day form large, powerful sovereign unions and eliminate tribal wars for a more peaceful society.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:20 am

Because the EU is most firmly integrated.
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Postby Faiv » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:25 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Euro-centric media makes the European Union look more important to the world than the others. However, I'm not sure if the African Union is really working right now. I wish Africa would one day form large, powerful sovereign unions and eliminate tribal wars for a more peaceful society.


Media doesn't make European Union more important. European Union is more important.

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Postby Solorni » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:25 am

The European Union is also the largest economic union in the world. In fact, as a sum of its parts it is the largest economy in the world.... bigger than the U.S.A.. The African Union is not as big and not as integrated as the European Union.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Euro-centric media makes the European Union look more important to the world than the others. However, I'm not sure if the African Union is really working right now. I wish Africa would one day form large, powerful sovereign unions and eliminate tribal wars for a more peaceful society.

It is the largest economy in the world... wouldn't that make it more important than the others?
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:27 am

Solorni wrote:The European Union is also the largest economic union in the world. In fact, as a sum of its parts it is the largest economy in the world.... bigger than the U.S.A.. The African Union is not as big and not as integrated as the European Union.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Euro-centric media makes the European Union look more important to the world than the others. However, I'm not sure if the African Union is really working right now. I wish Africa would one day form large, powerful sovereign unions and eliminate tribal wars for a more peaceful society.

It is the largest economy in the world... wouldn't that make it more important than the others?

So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?

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Postby Kaskavia Watershed » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:32 am

Genivaria wrote:
Solorni wrote:The European Union is also the largest economic union in the world. In fact, as a sum of its parts it is the largest economy in the world.... bigger than the U.S.A.. The African Union is not as big and not as integrated as the European Union.
It is the largest economy in the world... wouldn't that make it more important than the others?

So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?


Free trade of what? African countries don't produce much besides food and raw materials. Their production of the former is tragically unreliable, and the latter are pretty useless for sale to other non-industrialised nations.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:34 am

Interestingly it seems the AU intends to imitate the EU's economic policies.
The AU's future goals include the creation of a free trade area, a customs union, a single market, a central bank, and a common currency (see African Monetary Union), thereby establishing economic and monetary union. The current plan is to establish an African Economic Community with a single currency by 2023.[64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union#Economy

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:37 am

Genivaria wrote:Interestingly it seems the AU intends to imitate the EU's economic policies.
The AU's future goals include the creation of a free trade area, a customs union, a single market, a central bank, and a common currency (see African Monetary Union), thereby establishing economic and monetary union. The current plan is to establish an African Economic Community with a single currency by 2023.[64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union#Economy

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:38 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Interestingly it seems the AU intends to imitate the EU's economic policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union#Economy

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Postby Solorni » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:40 am

Genivaria wrote:
Solorni wrote:The European Union is also the largest economic union in the world. In fact, as a sum of its parts it is the largest economy in the world.... bigger than the U.S.A.. The African Union is not as big and not as integrated as the European Union.
It is the largest economy in the world... wouldn't that make it more important than the others?

So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?

All I said was that the EU was the biggest. I'm not sure if it is the model to follow given all of the recent struggles. But it's difficult to judge.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:43 am

Getting the African Union to work together is like [insert something more difficult than getting the African Union to work together].
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:44 am

Solorni wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?

All I said was that the EU was the biggest. I'm not sure if it is the model to follow given all of the recent struggles. But it's difficult to judge.

It seems to me the austerity measures are what's been causing the problems.

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:44 am

African nations struggle to create co-operation within their own borders let alone internationally, such is the result of colonialism and ethnic groups being divided along arbitrary lines created by European land acquisitions. Until Africa becomes a continent of stable nations, the AU will never function beyond anything more than a forum and a loose economic alliance. Hence why it isn't talked about as much as the EU; it isn't anywhere near as important.
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Postby Faiv » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:44 am

Genivaria wrote:
Solorni wrote:The European Union is also the largest economic union in the world. In fact, as a sum of its parts it is the largest economy in the world.... bigger than the U.S.A.. The African Union is not as big and not as integrated as the European Union.
It is the largest economy in the world... wouldn't that make it more important than the others?

So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?


No. But to become most important union they should have highest combined GDP.

So long EU will remain number 1 in international policies. Right now Germany alone has 50% higher GDP than African Union combined so African Union is quite irrelevant in international politics.

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Postby Faiv » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:45 am

Genivaria wrote:
Solorni wrote:All I said was that the EU was the biggest. I'm not sure if it is the model to follow given all of the recent struggles. But it's difficult to judge.

It seems to me the austerity measures are what's been causing the problems.


Austerity hasn't been causing problems. Problems started before austerity measures were introduced. Countries having problems did exactly the opposite to austerity measures (spent way too much money they really didn't have).
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:45 am

Faiv wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So if the AU established travel visas, open borders, and internal free trade the economy would start booming?


No. But to become most important union they should have highest combined GDP.

So long EU will remain number 1 in international policies. Right now Germany alone has 50% higher GDP than African Union combined so African Union is quite irrelevant in international politics.

Except that Africa is a great place to start investing if China's actions are anything to go by.

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Postby Faiv » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:48 am

Genivaria wrote:
Faiv wrote:
No. But to become most important union they should have highest combined GDP.

So long EU will remain number 1 in international policies. Right now Germany alone has 50% higher GDP than African Union combined so African Union is quite irrelevant in international politics.

Except that Africa is a great place to start investing if China's actions are anything to go by.


Why would you want to invest in Africa? You never know what's going to happen tomorrow and investors don't like uncertainty. And there isn't much highly qualified workforce either.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:50 am

Faiv wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Except that Africa is a great place to start investing if China's actions are anything to go by.


Why would you want to invest in Africa? You never know what's going to happen tomorrow and investors don't like uncertainty. And there isn't much highly qualified workforce either.

Which is why both the West and China favor stability in Africa now.
So supporting the AU is considered beneficial for all.

The vision of a self-confident, united, and capable Africa has obvious attractions on the continent. But it also appeals to Washington, which increasingly views instability and violence within Africa’s many fragile states as enabling conditions for terrorists and violent extremists

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:50 am

Faiv wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Except that Africa is a great place to start investing if China's actions are anything to go by.


Why would you want to invest in Africa? You never know what's going to happen tomorrow and investors don't like uncertainty. And there isn't much highly qualified workforce either.

What's uncertain? Mineral resources aren't going to lose their value any time soon.
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Postby United facist States of America » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:56 am

What about the South american union which has the 3rd largest GDP ( PPP) and 4th largest GDP ( nominal ).
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Postby Faiv » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:58 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Faiv wrote:
Why would you want to invest in Africa? You never know what's going to happen tomorrow and investors don't like uncertainty. And there isn't much highly qualified workforce either.

What's uncertain? Mineral resources aren't going to lose their value any time soon.


You missed the point I'm afraid.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:00 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:African nations struggle to create co-operation within their own borders let alone internationally, such is the result of colonialism and ethnic groups being divided along arbitrary lines created by European land acquisitions. Until Africa becomes a continent of stable nations, the AU will never function beyond anything more than a forum and a loose economic alliance. Hence why it isn't talked about as much as the EU; it isn't anywhere near as important.

Are you saying the AU is a good example to be used against the EU or the other way around? Because Eurosceptics keep saying they want their sovereignty or whatever, but as far as I know, they never used the AU as an example of a failed union.
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Postby Solorni » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:01 am

United facist States of America wrote:What about the South american union which has the 3rd largest GDP ( PPP) and 4th largest GDP ( nominal ).

They aren't Unions in the same sense the European Union is.
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Genivaria wrote:It seems to me the austerity measures are what's been causing the problems.


Austerity hasn't been causing problems. Problems started before austerity measures were introduced. Countries having problems did exactly the opposite to austerity measuers (spent way too much money they really didn't have).

Austerity has been causing problems in the sense that these countries need to stimulate and grow in order to pay off their debts. But you are correct in saying that there was issues prior to this especially in countries like Italy and Greece which followed unsustainable populist policies.
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Postby United facist States of America » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:03 am

Solorni wrote:
United facist States of America wrote:What about the South american union which has the 3rd largest GDP ( PPP) and 4th largest GDP ( nominal ).

They aren't Unions in the same sense the European Union is.
Faiv wrote:
Austerity hasn't been causing problems. Problems started before austerity measures were introduced. Countries having problems did exactly the opposite to austerity measuers (spent way too much money they really didn't have).

Austerity has been causing problems in the sense that these countries need to stimulate and grow in order to pay off their debts. But you are correct in saying that there was issues prior to this especially in countries like Italy and Greece which followed unsustainable populist policies.

Actually the South american unions merged into a single union in 2008.
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