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Republican and Democratic Party in USA's politics system

Postby Seraven » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:11 am

Okay, so I may attract some unwanted attentions to the NS's citizens.

I'm a foreigner, so I'm not very familiar with the political system of USA. I know that there two major parties and many many other, smaller parties. Then, there are Republican and Democratic Party. I watched international news sometimes, and between those sometimes, I knew that Democratic and Republican parties have different views on many of USA's domestic and foreign policies.

So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties? Both have democratic sense (Republic and Democratic is usually in one system, like republic system for governments for nations), but why these two parties aren't exactly have the same, or at least, a similar view on both domestic and foreign policies of USA? Why these two parties make the conditions of USA like hell on earth (Kind of exaggerated?)
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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:15 am

Seraven wrote:So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties?

According to bipartisan experts: the Republicans.

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Postby Seraven » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:32 am

Laerod wrote:
Seraven wrote:So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties?

According to bipartisan experts: the Republicans.


So basically, the Republicans now is similar to cult of personification of the right American ideology?
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The Alma Mater wrote:
Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:36 am

Seraven wrote:
Laerod wrote:According to bipartisan experts: the Republicans.


So basically, the Republicans now is similar to cult of personification of the right American ideology?


More or less now, ever since Reagan happened, most of the Rockefeller Republicans (moderate) couldn't gain support.
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Postby Seraven » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:37 am

Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:
Seraven wrote:
So basically, the Republicans now is similar to cult of personification of the right American ideology?


More or less now, ever since Reagan happened, and most of the Rockefeller Republicans (moderate) couldn't gain support.


Is it really bad now, the political system in USA because of Republicans and the effect of it? Does it also affecting economy problem of USA as of now and Obamacare?
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Terra Sector Union » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:38 am

The main problem with these two parties is that they are aided by the corporate media. They program their beliefs, values, opinions etc to their loyal followers. If Fox News (which has a conservative, Republican audience) tells fellow viewers that gay marriage is bad, then they will follow that. They offer little or no critical thinking to choose a side on your own and basically say "We are right and the others are wrong". The same can be said to the more liberal MSNBC.

Polarization is pretty much a big issue in American politics. Both sides often demonize each other and rarely work together when it comes to common issues. Republicans have often bashed Obama for being a authoritarian leader, evil dictator, etc because of the NSA spying but where were those critics when Bush enacted the Patriot Act after the 9/11 attacks? This all has to do with simple political party affiliation.
This is what voting for President has become. The voters are worried which party will get their candidate as the POTUS when they should be worried about actual issues that are affecting the nation. The political party should be the last thing on a voter's mind when it comes to voting. But the media has helped in the dominance of these two parties. The other political parties rarely get a voice in a mainstream media. I may be repeating myself here but democracy in America has become nothing more than a powergrab for the biggest seat in the house. Republican and Democrat Parties are almost like religions now.

That is the main problem OP. It's polarization.
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Postby Burleson » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:43 am

Seraven wrote:Okay, so I may attract some unwanted attentions to the NS's citizens.

I'm a foreigner, so I'm not very familiar with the political system of USA. I know that there two major parties and many many other, smaller parties. Then, there are Republican and Democratic Party. I watched international news sometimes, and between those sometimes, I knew that Democratic and Republican parties have different views on many of USA's domestic and foreign policies.

So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties? Both have democratic sense (Republic and Democratic is usually in one system, like republic system for governments for nations), but why these two parties aren't exactly have the same, or at least, a similar view on both domestic and foreign policies of USA? Why these two parties make the conditions of USA like hell on earth (Kind of exaggerated?)

The Republican Party has conservative viewpoints and the Democratic Party has liberal/socialist viewpoints.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:49 am

Seraven wrote:
Laerod wrote:According to bipartisan experts: the Republicans.


So basically, the Republicans now is similar to cult of personification of the right American ideology?

It's the dedication of the Republican party and their voter base to a dogmatic set of policies regardless of said policies' relation to reality. It's a storm that's been long brewing, and is likely to have some very dire consequences for Republican hopes regarding the Presidency.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:52 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:The main problem with these two parties is that they are aided by the corporate media. They program their beliefs, values, opinions etc to their loyal followers. If Fox News (which has a conservative, Republican audience) tells fellow viewers that gay marriage is bad, then they will follow that. They offer little or no critical thinking to choose a side on your own and basically say "We are right and the others are wrong". The same can be said to the more liberal MSNBC.

No it can't. Regardless of potential differences in journalistic integrity between the two, MSNBC does not have the market shares Fox News has and it definitely doesn't have the market shares in the relevant voting bloc that Fox News has.

tl;dr: False equivalency is false

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Postby Meridiani Planum » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:55 am

The Republicans and Democrats are not that different from my perspective. They might differ a little on social and economic issues, but they both still want big, intrusive government. They ultimately are both the Establishment.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:57 am

Burleson wrote:
Seraven wrote:Okay, so I may attract some unwanted attentions to the NS's citizens.

I'm a foreigner, so I'm not very familiar with the political system of USA. I know that there two major parties and many many other, smaller parties. Then, there are Republican and Democratic Party. I watched international news sometimes, and between those sometimes, I knew that Democratic and Republican parties have different views on many of USA's domestic and foreign policies.

So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties? Both have democratic sense (Republic and Democratic is usually in one system, like republic system for governments for nations), but why these two parties aren't exactly have the same, or at least, a similar view on both domestic and foreign policies of USA? Why these two parties make the conditions of USA like hell on earth (Kind of exaggerated?)

The Republican Party has conservative viewpoints and the Democratic Party has liberal/socialist viewpoints.


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Postby Seraven » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:58 am

The topic of this thread was inspired by another thread in General, about the possibility of USA turning into multi-party systems, which of course bugging me because multi-party system isn't exactly a good option as well (It might raise party exclusive to religion, race, or worse, ideology).

I'm surprised that there are more voters on Independents than Democratic or Republican. Though, why there is Independent parties when they know they can't be chosen as the majority of the Congress's members?
Copper can change as its quality went down.
Gold can't change, for its quality never went down.
The Alma Mater wrote:
Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:58 am

Laerod wrote:
Seraven wrote:So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties?

According to bipartisan experts: the Republicans.


Second that. The right has no interest on any level to actually cooperate with the left. Both parties simply have visions that are too different from each other.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:59 am

Seraven wrote:The topic of this thread was inspired by another thread in General, about the possibility of USA turning into multi-party systems, which of course bugging me because multi-party system isn't exactly a good option as well (It might raise party exclusive to religion, race, or worse, ideology).

I'm surprised that there are more voters on Independents than Democratic or Republican. Though, why there is Independent parties when they know they can't be chosen as the majority of the Congress's members?


Because the fact that independents are almost entirely unrepresented in American politics is a bizarre democratic outlier.

People who are educated and well-versed in political science and theory are simply unprepared for the cold, hard truth that American politics isn't really politics.

It's tug-of-war corporations can bet on.
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Postby Seraven » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:01 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Seraven wrote:The topic of this thread was inspired by another thread in General, about the possibility of USA turning into multi-party systems, which of course bugging me because multi-party system isn't exactly a good option as well (It might raise party exclusive to religion, race, or worse, ideology).

I'm surprised that there are more voters on Independents than Democratic or Republican. Though, why there is Independent parties when they know they can't be chosen as the majority of the Congress's members?


Because the fact that independents are almost entirely unrepresented in American politics is a bizarre democratic outlier.

People who are educated and well-versed in political science and theory are simply unprepared for the cold, hard truth that American politics isn't really politics.

It's tug-of-war corporations can bet on.


Now Politics of USA just a shadow of its former self. Right?
Copper can change as its quality went down.
Gold can't change, for its quality never went down.
The Alma Mater wrote:
Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Toronina » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:03 am

Burleson wrote:
Seraven wrote:Okay, so I may attract some unwanted attentions to the NS's citizens.

I'm a foreigner, so I'm not very familiar with the political system of USA. I know that there two major parties and many many other, smaller parties. Then, there are Republican and Democratic Party. I watched international news sometimes, and between those sometimes, I knew that Democratic and Republican parties have different views on many of USA's domestic and foreign policies.

So what exactly, the main problem between these two parties? Both have democratic sense (Republic and Democratic is usually in one system, like republic system for governments for nations), but why these two parties aren't exactly have the same, or at least, a similar view on both domestic and foreign policies of USA? Why these two parties make the conditions of USA like hell on earth (Kind of exaggerated?)

The Republican Party has conservative viewpoints and the Democratic Party has liberal/socialist viewpoints.

Exactly, and the Republicans refuse to work with the Democrats, and the Democrats can be just as bad.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:04 am

Seraven wrote:
Now Politics of USA just a shadow of its former self. Right?


Wouldn't have a clue, I'm not well-versed in American history.

My understanding is that it's been this bad since the start of the Cold War, but I don't know when that became the case.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:11 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Seraven wrote:The topic of this thread was inspired by another thread in General, about the possibility of USA turning into multi-party systems, which of course bugging me because multi-party system isn't exactly a good option as well (It might raise party exclusive to religion, race, or worse, ideology).

I'm surprised that there are more voters on Independents than Democratic or Republican. Though, why there is Independent parties when they know they can't be chosen as the majority of the Congress's members?


Because the fact that independents are almost entirely unrepresented in American politics is a bizarre democratic outlier.

People who are educated and well-versed in political science and theory are simply unprepared for the cold, hard truth that American politics isn't really politics.

It's tug-of-war corporations can bet on.

I think you're not properly interpreting what "independents" means. The term is largely meaningless in the US and is everything but synonymous with "nonpartisan". The vast majority of independents today are people that are partisans that don't like to label themselves, yet can still be counted on to vote for their party.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:11 am

Toronina wrote:
Burleson wrote:The Republican Party has conservative viewpoints and the Democratic Party has liberal/socialist viewpoints.

Exactly, and the Republicans refuse to work with the Democrats, and the Democrats can be just as bad.

No.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:15 am

Laerod wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Because the fact that independents are almost entirely unrepresented in American politics is a bizarre democratic outlier.

People who are educated and well-versed in political science and theory are simply unprepared for the cold, hard truth that American politics isn't really politics.

It's tug-of-war corporations can bet on.

I think you're not properly interpreting what "independents" means. The term is largely meaningless in the US and is everything but synonymous with "nonpartisan". The vast majority of independents today are people that are partisans that don't like to label themselves, yet can still be counted on to vote for their party.


My response was about 'independent' parties, although I was incorrect in referring to such, given the context.
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Postby Toronina » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:23 am

Laerod wrote:
Toronina wrote:Exactly, and the Republicans refuse to work with the Democrats, and the Democrats can be just as bad.

No.

If you're going to reply to my point, can you do more then just a no? Could you please explain how I'm wrong? This is my personal opinion, and honestly I don't pay much attention to America/
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Postby The Shar Nadal Collective » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:32 am

So us politics... Imagine if you will to kindergarden bullies, throwing hissy fits. Neither side has a grasp on reality, and the big tactics are: Democrats complain and wish things were better and blame everything on big business and Republicans. Republicans don't enact anything a Democratic president wants, and try to impeach him or claim he is not American by birth, and if proven wrong claim it is a communist plot.
Basically morons and cry babies. Oh and they work less than our unemployed, to do less than a broken Chia pet.
That said, it is marketed world wide like the Kardashians, and everyone trembles like it is the end of the world. Most Americans view the whole thing with apathy realising if a politicians lips are moving he is lying. Unfortunately they are far less flamboyant than European politicians and less entertaining than the Toronto mayor.
Why anyone worries about American politic outside the good old US of A is a mystery to me as we don't here.

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Postby The Shar Nadal Collective » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:33 am

Sorry about above post... Tablet and auto correct.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:35 am

Toronina wrote:
Laerod wrote:No.

If you're going to reply to my point, can you do more then just a no? Could you please explain how I'm wrong? This is my personal opinion, and honestly I don't pay much attention to America/

Yeah, go read the second post in the thread, in particular the link. It's an opinion piece by two bipartisan longterm observers of congress.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:36 am

The Shar Nadal Collective wrote:So us politics... Imagine if you will to kindergarden bullies, throwing hissy fits. Neither side has a grasp on reality, and the big tactics are: Democrats complain and wish things were better and blame everything on big business and Republicans. Republicans don't enact anything a Democratic president wants, and try to impeach him or claim he is not American by birth, and if proven wrong claim it is a communist plot.
Basically morons and cry babies. Oh and they work less than our unemployed, to do less than a broken Chia pet.
That said, it is marketed world wide like the Kardashians, and everyone trembles like it is the end of the world. Most Americans view the whole thing with apathy realising if a politicians lips are moving he is lying. Unfortunately they are far less flamboyant than European politicians and less entertaining than the Toronto mayor.
Why anyone worries about American politic outside the good old US of A is a mystery to me as we don't here.

No.

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