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Concesjonist Movement (IDEOLOGY)

Postby El Cuscatlan » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:32 am

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Snake and Sword are common symbols of Consesjonism. Snake represents freedom and danger, sword - readiness to fight for what is right.
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Thunder is another popular symbol. It is symbol of Triumph of Good over evil, by God casting Satan "like a lightning" from the sky. Based on Luke 10:18.
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Consesjonist movement (El Concesjonismo, read El Conceshonismo) is official political doctrine of Gran Cuscatlan, which arose out of General Carlos Silva's thoughts, fused with Martinezism and Alvaro Ferreira's liberalismo contador. The new political doctrine was officially accepted by Martinez (at the end of his life) and Alvaro Ferreira. It's major traits are written in "On Fair Governance" written joinly by Carlos Silva, Raul Martinez (he died during writing it) and Alvaro Ferreira. On fair governance was published after Martinez's death, and became official rulebook of Concesjonist movements all around the world.

In essence Concesjonism is extreme right movement, characterized by focusing on enmity towards political left. Concesjonism has it's major traits, which are: Politeia (or New Model Republic), Neo Liberal Economy, Social Conservatism and Ethnic Nationalism, belief in Supreme Creator and that all people are equal to him. Sometimes it is called "Age of Enlightenment nationalism" because of heavy influences of Salvador López del Rio's writings (General López was founder of Gran Cuscatlan and revolutionary". It took also considerable dose of influence from Greek Philosophy (mainly Aristotle) and Christianity.

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New Model Republic is according to the writers response for problems of Liberal Democracy, which concesjonists oppose. They claim that representative democracy is weak scam, which creates chaos and destroys counties. Model of Politeia - as envisioned first by Łopez, then by Martinez and Silva - is actually combination of democracy, oligarchy and authoritarianism, fusing all the elements into one. Let's analyse all the elements together:

1) Strong Charismatic Leader - Leader (Caudillo in Cuscatlan) should have big competitions. In Martinez's words "President in Healthy republic is like a sun, around which everything circles". This means that the leader's position should be strong, but not unlimited. Leader should generally rule as father to his people, ensuring their well being, and have right to nominate his successor to preserve continuity of idea. The "Caudillo's" power however is big, but not unlimited.

2) The Administrator caste - is element taken from oligarchy. Their role would be mostly executive and administrative. Ferreira sees two types of "Oigos" - Financial Oligos and Military Oligos. Examples of Financial Oligos are modern day bankers or tycoons, of Military Oligos - old Samurai or Knights. According to Silva, Military Oligos are more beneficial to the county because they are often guided by virtue and code of honour, not by greed.

3) Strong popular assembly - incorporates elements from direct democracy. The role of this system is to provide people a voice and incorporate them into ruling system. Of course, there can not exist any political parties, and whole system must be direct and close to the people. Their major goal would be lawmaking, while above two will focus on execution.

4) Judicial and censor board: Censors are the offices - one/third chosen by assembly, one third by Oligos and one third by Leader - whose purpose is to fight corruption and root out conspiracies and pathologies in the system.

Courts should be independent.




LIBERAL COOPERATIONISM


Liberal Cooperationism is official economic doctrine of Concesjonist movement. It calls for "minimal state involvement into economy" and support to big corporations. However, in exchange for letting it free, market should actively cooperate with state - but not on control, but rather on friendship policy. State does not intervene if not needed, and market supports state when it needs it. It is also called economic nationalism.

Only businesses restricted by conesjonists are those which are immoral (sex buisness) and banks. Banks are seen as potential threat for takeover of the county, and for that way they must be controlled. Rest of the market may run as it wants, but banks should be carefully watched.

Welfare is not needed for people who can work, and consesjonists state that "if a man does not work, let him not eat".




Conservatism and Nationalism


Consesjonists see nationalism as key factor in the historic processes. Nation's which national bond and national interest falls, are according to Martinez subject to ruin. Nationalism is what spoils nations, and what gives them identity; that is why, nationalism is widely practiced by consesjonists who adhere to national ideas.

Conservatism is another important topic. According to Silva, nation cut from it religion and tradition will live artificial life until it dies. This means that even if consesjonists are pro-freedom of religion, they support special status to majority of religion. While they are pro-secularism, morals coming from Abrahamic religions are ideal and holy, as they come from supreme creator. That is why everything must be based on this morals.

Family is nucleus of social life, and should be actively supported. This also means fighting with abortion, euthanasia and LGBT movement, as according to consesjonists they are destructive to the population.
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:21 am

I encourage comments and so on.
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Postby Prairie Canada » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:31 am

why fight the lgbt community? the more people that can be organized into family units, the better. It's good for society for more people to be in a socially acceptable family unit

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Postby Prairie Canada » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:44 am

I mean...the ideology would be a lot more attractive to people overseas and airtight if you at least remained silent about lgbt issues

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Postby Croatia-Slavonia » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:43 pm

It might gain very, very limited popularity here, but the arbitrary LGBTQ hatred will most likely be removed.

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Postby Ardoki » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:56 pm

Any movement which aimed to take away the rights of women (abortion) and the LGBT community, would be shut down in Ardoki under our hate speech laws.
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Postby Krijger » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:22 pm

I could adopt this.
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:35 pm

Krijger wrote:I could adopt this.


I would be very thankful.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:54 pm

Why do you hate LGBT people?
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:57 pm

Ardoki wrote:Why do you hate LGBT people?


I do not hate anybody, and concesjonism is not 100% my RL believes either; but both IRL and OOC I am against homosexuality because of my faith.

But, let's not turn this thread into discussion of RL believes. Concesjonism is.... more radical.
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Postby Amatha » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:32 am

Would you be interested in an RP where the Amathan Eighty-Fourth Sector arrests Concesjonists?
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:20 am

Amatha wrote:Would you be interested in an RP where the Amathan Eighty-Fourth Sector arrests Concesjonists?


Sure, but only if this is diplomatic one. And expect me to bloody crack down on communism in return.
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Postby Amatha » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:26 am

El Cuscatlan wrote:
Amatha wrote:Would you be interested in an RP where the Amathan Eighty-Fourth Sector arrests Concesjonists?


Sure, but only if this is diplomatic one. And expect me to bloody crack down on communism in return.

Yeah, I aint got time for no war.
I'll write it in foreseeable future.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:58 pm

This is not likely to catch on in Inyursta due to its strong central-leader and oligocratic leanings.

Ardoki wrote:Any movement which aimed to take away the rights of women (abortion) and the LGBT community, would be shut down in Ardoki under our hate speech laws.


Abortion does not threaten the rights of women in any society which science prevails over political correctness.
Science dictates that the minute cells attain the capability to respond to stimuli, reproduce, metabolize and processes a specific genetic code, they are considered living. (<-- which itself is a redundant point because in order for something to be considered a cell it must be living)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/life

Summed up very nicely here:
http://academic.wsc.edu/mathsci/hammer_m/life.htm

In short, any nation which makes this claim about abortion cannot consider themselves pro-science without either admitting abortion is simply a right to murder or else be hypocritical.

Consider yourself schooled. :ugeek:
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:59 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:This is not likely to catch on in Inyursta due to its strong central-leader and oligocratic leanings.

Ardoki wrote:Any movement which aimed to take away the rights of women (abortion) and the LGBT community, would be shut down in Ardoki under our hate speech laws.


Abortion does not threaten the rights of women in any society which science prevails over political correctness.
Science dictates that the minute cells attain the capability to respond to stimuli, reproduce,
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/life

Summed up very nicely here:
http://academic.wsc.edu/mathsci/hammer_m/life.htm

In short, any nation which makes this claim about abortion cannot consider themselves pro-science without either admitting abortion is simply a right to murder or else be hypocritical.

Consider yourself schooled. :ugeek:



Guys, this is semi-IC thread. While I am against Abortion, please, do not start ideological debates in my thread, as this is planing hub for Concesjonist movement. Thank you.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:01 pm

El Cuscatlan wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:This is not likely to catch on in Inyursta due to its strong central-leader and oligocratic leanings.



Abortion does not threaten the rights of women in any society which science prevails over political correctness.
Science dictates that the minute cells attain the capability to respond to stimuli, reproduce,
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/life

Summed up very nicely here:
http://academic.wsc.edu/mathsci/hammer_m/life.htm

In short, any nation which makes this claim about abortion cannot consider themselves pro-science without either admitting abortion is simply a right to murder or else be hypocritical.

Consider yourself schooled. :ugeek:



Guys, this is semi-IC thread. While I am against Abortion, please, do not start ideological debates in my thread, as this is planing hub for Concesjonist movement. Thank you.


I am just pointing out that he is wrong by biological definition.

IC'ly this can be used to bash his socialist and neocolonialist regime, showing how anti-scientific and anti-intellectual they are.

Also, I posted about its likelyhood of catching on in Inyursta.
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Postby Tafir » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:10 pm

Sheikh Rasul al Tafiri is interested in Concesjonism. Although, he has questions about how a strong leader (presumably an executive?) and a strong popular assembly can co-exist? Also, what is the role of the administrator class?

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Postby Ardoki » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:08 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
El Cuscatlan wrote:

Guys, this is semi-IC thread. While I am against Abortion, please, do not start ideological debates in my thread, as this is planing hub for Concesjonist movement. Thank you.


I am just pointing out that he is wrong by biological definition.

IC'ly this can be used to bash his socialist and neocolonialist regime, showing how anti-scientific and anti-intellectual they are.

Also, I posted about its likelyhood of catching on in Inyursta.

I responded to your scientifically inaccurate and absurd claims by telegram. We shouldn't pollute Cuscatlan's thread.
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Postby McNernia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:02 pm

Mcnernia is quite proudly a Monarchy with a Parliament. None the less the Concesjonist Front as a National Union party they are quite a vocal and listen to part of HM House of Commons.
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The movement has gained popular ground and is becoming high among members of the Kataeb and Lebanese Forces parties.
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There's a lack of definite and indefinite articles that you need to work on, Cus.

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Postby Peirza » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:24 pm

I don't understand the form of government, how does it work? Specifically with the balance of powers. Isn't this a Presidential system with a Senate, a Bureaucracy and an independent judiciary?

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Postby Quirina » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:48 pm

In Etria-Livania, SACTO member-nation of Quirina, the Concesjonist Movement was formed as a merger between neo-fascists and Martinezists, although the non-anti-Semite national socialist party is still the dominant political power there. Overall (I mean in all of Quirina), it is of little influence, since most are domineered by either Non-Communist Lefts, Monarcho-Imperialists, and Federalist-Nationalists.

One thing I would like to point out in this ideology is similar to both nationalism and syndicalism combined, although there are still other issues needed to be addressed. I remember answering a list of them back in my days in NSG Senate, and I'm looking for it. I'll post it here and see how each topic is being faced by Concesjonism.

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Postby Viridisolum » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:30 am

As a Christian Catholic IRL, I believe that everybody has the right to be what they want to be. I know many Christian Catholics supporting LGBTs.

Here, if God can be questioned on this matter . . .

Would God favour people who want to force their ideals to another because they think it is right and just and according to religious beliefs created by people themselves, even if it costs others' lives or those who simply want to live their lives they want it to be?

No religion can answer this question, not any Christian sect, not even the Vatican or the Pope himself. God is the only answer to this question.

Truth be told, I'm just surprised to see such a political ideology backed by a religion which resents the likes of your ideology. Then an interest of making a personal comment on the ideology's view on homosexuals suddenly sprung up.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:06 am

In a brief summary: Widely ridiculed, and borderline illegal due to the anti LGBT stance(if one assumes this to mean a lack of equal rights for LGBT citizens).


Most of the social issues that it is against have already been widely accepted by the majority of Valaran society. Its hard to find a single proposed 'solution' that Concesjonism offers which would be accepted by any noticeable portion of society aside from an independent judicial system.
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