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Sex with fake tigers and the Extreme Porn Act

Postby Frazers » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:27 pm

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... e-repealed

Why a woman having sex with a fake tiger shows that the Extreme Pornography Act must be repealed

Experts predicted that the law would result in fewer than 30 cases a year. Instead, there have been thousands of convictions. The Act is not fit for purpose.

Andrew Holland, the Wrexham man who was famously prosecuted for possessing a clip of a woman having sex with a man in a tiger costume, has challenged Section 63 of the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, popularly known as the Extreme Pornography Act. In a letter to the head of the Crown Prosecution Service, Holland’s solicitors have claimed that even five years after its enactment, the law is so unclear and poorly understood – including by police, prosecutors and solicitors – that it too easily traps the innocent. Assisted by a specialist legal team and advised by the sexual freedom campaigning group Backlash, the former defendant has called on CPS head Allison Saunders to review the implementation of Section 63; if no such review is forthcoming, the law will be challenged via judicial review.

Holland’s case illustrates the damage that can be caused by this poorly understood law. He was an ordinary man who loved jokes, the more outlandish the better. He had received the tiger clip, and another six second clip depicting simulated damage to a man’s genitals, as laddish jokes from friends. The friend had shared the clips as part of a braggart, bravado-tinged culture where online buddies swap videos intended to shock. “Unfortunately one of my friends sent me a load of jokes…some of them were hilarious, but unfortunately there were two on there that were classed as obscene,” says Holland.

In the tiger clip, after copulating with the woman, the costumed man looks up and says to the camera: “That beats doing Frosties ads for a living!” Clearly, it is not real; it’s a joke, albeit not to everyone’s taste, and it isn’t meant to be banned under the Act. But when Holland’s phone found its way into the hands of police in 2009, over a matter which was never pursued by them, he found himself charged with possessing extreme pornography, his name plastered across newspapers and websites. “When I went to court, neither my solicitor nor the people at the court understood the new law,” he says.

The trial process showed that lack of understanding. When they had charged Holland, the CPS had not yet heard the clip’s audio, which contained the tiger’s tell-tale punchline. Upon finally hearing the audio, they dropped the charge, but Holland would still have to face trial for the second charge, relating to the six-second clip of simulated genital damage. He pleaded not guilty, but when the jury saw the clip, his lawyers read their shocked reactions and advised him to change his plea to guilty. He followed his lawyers’ advice, and a date for his sentencing was set.

Were it not for the support of Backlash campaigners, the story of Andrew Holland might have ended there. He could have faced a custodial sentence, and any conviction would almost certainly damage his career and personal life. Fortunately for him, the sensational media reports of the “Tiger Porn” case had spread widely, and came to the attention of Backlash. Through their networks, Backlash activists reached out to Holland; when they were finally able to reach him, he had already made his plea. With specialised advice and support from legal experts, he applied to have his guilty plea vacated before sentencing. This was granted, which meant that he would stand trial again, in the knowledge that he had a defence.

This time, he was ready. With the help of civil liberties lawyer Myles Jackman, who frequently advises Backlash, Holland’s legal team had assembled a panel of experts to dispute the pornographic nature of the clip, highlighting that they had been sent without permission, in jest. Eventually, again, the CPS dropped the charges, possibly because they wished to avoid embarrassment in a high-profile, well-informed challenge to the controversial Act.

Holland was cleared, but he had to piece his life together after the many months of litigation. The media furore led to job loss and public ridicule, as his name was publicly associated with illegal pornography. “People were talking…vigilantes and people threatening, I was beaten up on more than one occasion…I was living in fear of my life,” he says. Even today, the ubiquity of the case on the internet worldwide links his name permanently to an embarrassing episode of his life; though he was cleared, he is still at risk, and has moved to an area where nobody knows him. The charges still appear on some background checks, which make it hard for him to find work. “[The story] went everywhere around the world – my name, my address, my age and everything,” he says. At any time, an internet reader might search his name, find old news reports, and skim the headline without following the complexities of his case. In the mind of that skim-reader – perhaps a colleague or neighbour – he will be forever linked with perversion, with deviance.

Holland hopes to prevent anyone else from falling foul of a law that he feels is not fit for purpose. “I want to clear my name, and put the point across to people that are ignorant in their understanding of extreme pornographic images…People showing a cartoon clip on their mobile phone in a pub face being in the same position as me, even though they’ve got no knowledge that what they have is illegal,” he says.

Without a CPS revision of the guidance around Section 63, or its overturn in a successful judicial review, it is very likely that more innocent people will be exposed to the indignity of arrest and the damaging consequences of unjust conviction. Backlash has worked with many people who feel they were unjustly accused. They have heard from those who were reported to the police to satisfy a grudge, and those who police charged after discovering images during investigation for other issues. With increasing availability of high-speed wireless Internet, and the popularity of social media and instant messaging services like WhatsApp, it’s increasingly easy to be carrying an offending image around in your pocket.

According to Jackman, the new technology creates unprecedented opportunities for people to pass illegal images around unknowingly. “You have a group of people who communicate by text or app messaging services, and a member of the group may post something as a joke without realising it’s illegal. I’ve sent you an image, you haven’t asked for it, you don’t know what it is. You could be in possession of extreme pornography and could be arrested for being in possession of it…We are seeing an increasingly large amount of this. [Prosecution is] not limited to people with alternative sexual preferences, but is now an issue which affects the entire adult population,” he says.

In the challenge, Holland’s legal team, advised by Backlash, emphasise the Act’s violations of human rights. With the concept of “extreme” pornography poorly defined, and without reliable guidance from CPS to prosecutors, individuals find it difficult to determine what is and isn’t legal. Perhaps, this is why a law which experts predicted would get less than 30 cases a year has had over 5,000 convictions since its inception. It’s impossible to know how many people have pleaded guilty to possession of images that were not actually unlawful. “I can only assume that a vast proportion of people caught will have been affected in the same way as [Holland],” says Jackman. Even if only a few of those cases were like Holland’s, or like the case of former Boris Johnson aide Simon Walsh (whose career was destroyed when he was accused), the law’s impact on social freedoms is disproportionate to any social good that it has caused.

This challenge comes at a time of contrasting trends around sexuality and morality. Racy erotica is available on the shelves of bookshops in every high street, but much of society exists in a moral panic, and even a whiff of this fear can ruin lives and tear communities apart. It is the duty of our judiciary to uphold the core, liberal values of human rights and freedom of expression, not to give into moral panic. In holding the justice system to account, Holland and his lawyers can stem the tide of panic, but only society as a whole can decide to reject it altogether. “I think liberalism always wins eventually but it takes time; there’s friction between more progressive impulses and more conservative ones, and when it comes to social issues, be it gay marriage or slavery, these debates can be very short or they can be very long-lived,” says Jackman. “Eventually I think when it comes to sexual morality, which is clearly not a state politics issue but a personal one, these things will change, it just takes time,” he says.


The act is a joke and needs, at the very least, some reworking. The main problem I see is trying to find a major political player willing to take the lead and drive through such a change. It's not going to be easy to try to change something called the Extreme Pornography Act and not get absolutely destroyed in the press.

What say you? Is the act good or bad? Why? How would you change things?

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Postby Vekalse » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:28 pm

Uhhh
You heard it here first. Kidding, you probably heard it from Lindenhole: I am literally insane. :P

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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:29 pm

:eyebrow:

...extreme porn act?

Christ, just go to Reddit or Xhamster.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:29 pm

Cyrisnia wrote::eyebrow:

...extreme porn act?

Christ, just go to Reddit or Xhamster.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:29 pm

Vekalse wrote:Uhhh

You know what?
I like this response.
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:30 pm

I have no problem with furry porn being illegal whatsoever.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:30 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote::eyebrow:

...extreme porn act?

Christ, just go to Reddit or Xhamster.

+ 4chan

Pornhub.
Tumblr.
Blogspot.
Twitter.
Twatter.
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Postby Vekalse » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:31 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Vekalse wrote:Uhhh

You know what?
I like this response.


Lol. I was just dumbfounded. :p
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:31 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:+ 4chan

Pornhub.
Tumblr.
Blogspot.
Twitter.
Twatter.

And since this is furry pornography
<censored links>
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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:32 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:Pornhub.
Tumblr.
Blogspot.
Twitter.
Twatter.

And since this is furry pornography
<censored links>

Nonsense you all need to go to <censored by prudish mods for violation of pg-13 rule>.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:34 pm

Benuty wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:And since this is furry pornography
<censored links>

Nonsense you all need to go to <censored by prudish mods for violation of pg-13 rule>.

I'll bet a earring and raise you my tongue this will start being targeted around furries.
Just watch.
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Postby Spoder » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:34 pm

"Ooh, it's unconventional sex. I don't partake in it, but nobody else should be able to."

I wouldn't partake either, but I just don't get the judicial system sometimes...
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Postby Cardulan » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:34 pm

Hell, I did not even knew that these things existed :? .

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:36 pm

Blazedtown wrote:I have no problem with furry porn being illegal whatsoever.


So you admit that your opinions should be ridiculed as authoritarian and openly against this magical thing called "freedom"?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:37 pm

Cardulan wrote:Hell, I did not even knew that these things existed :? .


Rule 34.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:37 pm

Frazers wrote:What say you? Is the act good or bad?
Bad
Why?
It limits expression for arbitrary reasons
How would you change things?
Get rid of the act
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:38 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Cardulan wrote:Hell, I did not even knew that these things existed :? .


Rule 34.

If it exists, there's porn of it
<digression here>
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:I have no problem with furry porn being illegal whatsoever.


So you admit that your opinions should be ridiculed as authoritarian and openly against this magical thing called "freedom"?

He's always been against zoophilia and furries.
It's been a known case with him.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:38 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Frazers wrote:What say you? Is the act good or bad?
Bad
Why?
It limits expression for arbitrary reasons
How would you change things?
Get rid of the act

You must have a fun internet browsing history.
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:39 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:I have no problem with furry porn being illegal whatsoever.


So you admit that your opinions should be ridiculed as authoritarian and openly against this magical thing called "freedom"?


Dude, you're an anarchist, you ridicule everyone's opinions as authoritarian.
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Postby Giovenith » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:40 pm

Not sure if this is too obscure of a joke...

Well, as long as it's not a real tiger (which would honestly be more dangerous for her than the tiger), I don't see what the problem is. People are into some weird stuff, okay, but as long as they don't break any laws over it, who cares if they fantasize?
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Postby Spoder » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:40 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
So you admit that your opinions should be ridiculed as authoritarian and openly against this magical thing called "freedom"?


Dude, you're an anarchist, you ridicule everyone's opinions as authoritarian.

Why does it bother you that somebody does something which does not harm you or anybody else in any way, shape or form?
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:40 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Bad
It limits expression for arbitrary reasons
Get rid of the act

You must have a fun internet browsing history.

I don't see how any of what I just said provides any indication about how my browsing history looks. This obviously limits consensual sexual activity, and as such needs to be abolished. That's as far as my views on the subject go.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:40 pm

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Postby Olivaero » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:41 pm

It's a shit law that should feel bad about it's self. if you defend it you probably spend too much time clutching your pearls or asking people to think about the children. Probably on the list of my top ten least favorite UK laws. 0/10 would not pass it again.
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Postby Frazers » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:42 pm

Spoder wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Dude, you're an anarchist, you ridicule everyone's opinions as authoritarian.

Why does it bother you that somebody does something which does not harm you or anybody else in any way, shape or form?


I think you're going to have to define harm and the limits of its application to an act of law for this to be a debatable post.

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