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Postby Larthinia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:25 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11071607/World-is-losing-battle-against-Ebola-medics-say.html

As the medics said on 7 September, humanity is losing battle against Ebola. "Six months into the worst Ebola epidemic in history, the world is losing the battle to contain it", say the doctors.

So, as the medics say, the world is in big danger because of Ebola. What do you say, NSG?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:40 am

I'd see Ebola as a major threat to humanity as a whole if it was spreading by the tens or even hundreds of thousands within a short period of time but the current outbreak has had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases so far which is far below a major level of concern.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:45 am

Must everyone be so pessimistic? It's still not even close to Spanish Flu. And even that flu didn't destroy humanity.

'Humanity losing battle against Ebola' should be used later, for example, after 1.2 billion deaths, when extinction will sound possible :)
(but Ebola is not so cool like those american-hollywood diseases, when only dozen people and dog survives)
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Postby Consortium of Manchukuo » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:46 am

Terrible for the people involved of course, but until it starts to reach tens or hundreds of thousands of people and effect first world nations significantly I'd doubt that we could apply the title "Humanity losing battle against Ebola". It simply isn't that major of a problem yet, although that isn't to say that it isn't terrible for everybody and that it has to be treated with the utmost caution and concern.

I can understand why the medical personnel in the region would be so concerned since they see such horrors close to hand and are obviously concerned about their patients and the people, as they should but, but it isn't the death of humanity as a whole quite yet.
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:57 am

Media sensationalism is sensationalist. Ebola is spreading because of the poor conditions in Africa, as well as social and cultural issues which are increasing the spread of the disease. Ebola is a symptom of far wider problems that Africa has, and sorting out Ebola is akin to a band aid for a country stricken with poverty, disease and superstitious cultural values.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:04 am

The thing people need to have slammed into their heads until it sticks in there:
Ebola kills before it spreads. No reason to freak out, it sucks as a pandemic virus.
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Postby Tsarist Chernigov » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:04 am

Not at all near being as deadly as Malaria,so not quite as bad as they say.
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:04 am

Dayaar Mongol wrote:*West Africa losing battle against Ebola


*Outside assistance within West Africa losing battle against Ebola.
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Postby Scepez » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:06 am

I'd hate to say it, but the media generally always hypes up diseases.
Remember SARS? Yeah. And there are much worse things going on in the world right now (Ukraine and ISIS, for one).
But I would say it isn't that horrible, the disease is mostly in 3 small countries, which is of course still not a good thing, but compared to other out-breaks, is pretty mild.
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Re: Humanity losing battle against Ebola, medics say.

Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:22 am

Where's the optimism? Besides, the recent ebola outbreak isn't really a global issue.
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Postby Larthinia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:47 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:Where's the optimism? Besides, the recent ebola outbreak isn't really a global issue.

I personally am optimist. The doctors aren't ;)
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Postby Risottia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:02 am

Larthinia wrote:So, as the medics say, the world is in big danger because of Ebola. What do you say, NSG?


I'd say that the UN Security Council is composed of idiots.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... resolution

all nice and shit until...

The resolution addresses the "detrimental effect" of the isolation of the affected countries, especially on their economies. It calls for the lifting of travel and border restrictions, a resumption of shipping and air service to the affected countries

LIFTING TRAVEL AND BORDER RESTRICTIONS? ARE THEY FUCKING CRAZY? Oh but it's for "the economy". Great idea. Let's make the propagation of the virus easier by incrementing travel from the affected areas. If it's good for the economy it's good for everyone, I assume. :palm:
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Postby Risottia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:04 am

Greater Beggnig wrote:The thing people need to have slammed into their heads until it sticks in there:
Ebola kills before it spreads.


Uh uh.

http://healthmap.org/ebola/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28755033

http://time.com/3089810/ebola-map/

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-inte ... d=24853012

Maybe you want to review your statement as in "Ebola doesn't spread AS QUICKLY as other pandemic viruses".
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Postby Nord Amour » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:00 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I'd see Ebola as a major threat to humanity as a whole if it was spreading by the tens or even hundreds of thousands within a short period of time but the current outbreak has had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases so far which is far below a major level of concern.


It could easily become exponential. Indeed, it's already defied all of our models of previous outbreaks.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140916122936.htm

Do not be too shocked if the number of estimated infections suddenly skyrockets.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:02 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I'd see Ebola as a major threat to humanity as a whole if it was spreading by the tens or even hundreds of thousands within a short period of time but the current outbreak has had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases so far which is far below a major level of concern.

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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:04 am

We should just turn Africa into a big "no touchy" zone.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:04 am

Nord Amour wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I'd see Ebola as a major threat to humanity as a whole if it was spreading by the tens or even hundreds of thousands within a short period of time but the current outbreak has had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases so far which is far below a major level of concern.


It could easily become exponential. Indeed, it's already defied all of our models of previous outbreaks.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140916122936.htm

Do not be too shocked if the number of estimated infections suddenly skyrockets.

The main reason it's spreading is because patients are rioting in treatment centers and the doctors in those areas have poor sanitation equipment. Ebola is terrible at spreading itself, because you need direct contact with bodily fluid.
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Postby Nord Amour » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:08 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Nord Amour wrote:
It could easily become exponential. Indeed, it's already defied all of our models of previous outbreaks.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140916122936.htm

Do not be too shocked if the number of estimated infections suddenly skyrockets.

The main reason it's spreading is because patients are rioting in treatment centers and the doctors in those areas have poor sanitation equipment. Ebola is terrible at spreading itself, because you need direct contact with bodily fluid.


That's true as of now, but because ebola is a virus, it's at a high risk of mutating. Likewise, the fatality rate of this particular strain is lower, which allows the disease to spread before killing off its hosts. Natural selection will favor the most transmissible strains of ebola.

One fracture in the virus's DNA and it could go airborne.

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Postby Kiruri » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:14 am

Risottia wrote:
Larthinia wrote:So, as the medics say, the world is in big danger because of Ebola. What do you say, NSG?


I'd say that the UN Security Council is composed of idiots.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... resolution

all nice and shit until...

The resolution addresses the "detrimental effect" of the isolation of the affected countries, especially on their economies. It calls for the lifting of travel and border restrictions, a resumption of shipping and air service to the affected countries

LIFTING TRAVEL AND BORDER RESTRICTIONS? ARE THEY FUCKING CRAZY? Oh but it's for "the economy". Great idea. Let's make the propagation of the virus easier by incrementing travel from the affected areas. If it's good for the economy it's good for everyone, I assume. :palm:



Ugh.. .puhleez.. You're not looking at it the right way. Ya see, this here's a perfect opportunity to attract potential wealthy European and American tourists. Just think about it: "Come see the world's largest ebola outbreak and take home an infected syringe as a souvenir (only 25,99 USD!!) for friends and family (or so that you can brag about how you're wealthy enough to travel abroad and buy many overpriced trinkets)"
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:17 am

Ebola is practically stuck in Western Africa. Time to get genuinely concerned when there's hundreds of thousands infected.
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Postby Kiruri » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:17 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Nord Amour wrote:
It could easily become exponential. Indeed, it's already defied all of our models of previous outbreaks.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140916122936.htm

Do not be too shocked if the number of estimated infections suddenly skyrockets.

The main reason it's spreading is because patients are rioting in treatment centers and the doctors in those areas have poor sanitation equipment. Ebola is terrible at spreading itself, because you need direct contact with bodily fluid.

Ebola may be terrible at spreading itself, but humans are naturals at spreading Ebola. Well, those that live in West Africa, at least.
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Postby Nord Amour » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:19 am

Pandeeria wrote:Ebola is practically stuck in Western Africa. Time to get genuinely concerned when there's hundreds of thousands infected.


You may not need to wait very long...

And even if it does not spread any more, the slow and painful deaths of innocent people is still something to be concerned about.

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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:22 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:Must everyone be so pessimistic? It's still not even close to Spanish Flu. And even that flu didn't destroy humanity.

Spanish Flu had a mortality rate of at most 20%. Ebola has one between 50-90%.

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