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Postby Untaroicht » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:53 pm

I would like to raise a point to other religious people like myself:

Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing. It served as a cornerstone of human civilization for millennium, was the inspiration for some of the world's greatest wonders and marvels of engineering, art, and architecture...The Pyramids were inspired by the egyptian belief in the afterlife, The Sistine Chapel and The Great Mosque of Djenne are other examples of architecture fueled and built by faith. Not only that, it has furthered the human pursuit of science by a great amount (for those who bring up the dark ages and say they were the catholic church's fault, I'd like to point to the islamic golden age going on at the same time).

But one of the greatest tragedies in the universe is that for every meal we serve to a beggar, for every person we save from suicide, for every act of kindness brought about by our respective faiths it is not payed attention to in favor of the rogue acts of extremists and people exploiting the faith for their own gain.

This is why I think the word "heretic" (or it's equivelents in other religions) should be taken more seriously today. Don't get me wrong, there is a good reason for it's lack of usage because of it's overuse and disastrous consequences in some of the inter-faith and inter-denominational squabbles, earning many innocent people death...but that should not be the meaning of the word.

So what is a heretic? Today, I would argue, is someone who deliberately exploits the faith of a large number of people (whether they truly believe in their false beliefs or are just using the religion's name for "marketing power") for hateful and immoral purposes, while simultaneously ignoring the faith's basic principles and teaching's of it's leaders.

For examples, I would like to point out The Westboro Baptist church and ISIS: Two hate groups fueled by heresy. Both of these groups, I think we can all agree, are doing very immoral things in the eyes of the majority of people in that religion and are rampant extremists that practice little of their actual faiths they claim to uphold.

Christ taught us about tolerance, almsgiving, and respect (especially for the dead). These are NOT things the westboro baptists church does. Muhammed (despite having to fight every now and then), taught similar principles that ISIS DOES NOT follow. I'm not entirely sure if the leaders of both groups really believe what they are preaching; rather, I have a suspicion that they are lying and using the religion's appeal to further their own agendas.

But that doesn't matter; whether they don't believe it or are deluded into thinking that is truly what the religion is about, they are still modern day heretics. Now, what do we do with these heretics? "BURN THEM AT THE STAKE?!" I hear the militant atheists cry...

No. We ignore them, until they cross the line of violence. The westboro baptists church has (to my knowledge) not caused any acts of assaults or murders for their message, so they should be ignored when possible and told "that's a croc of shit" when they can't. Groups like ISIS or White Supremacist Odinism that promotes murder, however, needs to be dealt with through military and police action.

So, NSG, what is your opinion on this and your thoughts on how the word "Heresy" and it's equivalents in other religions applies to fringe groups nowadays?
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Postby Galloism » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:09 pm

Untaroicht wrote:Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.

This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.
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Postby Untaroicht » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:11 pm

Galloism wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.

This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.


I know the majority of people on NSG are militant atheists, some even extremists calling for blood; that quote was referring to the more religious members in particular.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:14 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Galloism wrote:This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.


I know the majority of people on NSG are militant atheists, some even extremists calling for blood; that quote was referring to the more religious members in particular.

Even among the religious, I'm not sure we would all say that religion has done more good than harm.

There's a really heavy weight of harm to try and balance against.
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Postby Hakio » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Untaroicht wrote:Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.

HAHAHA fuck no.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Galloism wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.

This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.

In fact I'm just waiting for it to begin.

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Postby Servinta » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:19 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.


I agree with that,religion in its pure form is perfect but its humans who warp the (usually) peaceful and good intentioned religons.
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Postby The BaRen » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:19 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Galloism wrote:This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.

In fact I'm just waiting for it to begin.

It's going to derail the topic of this thread.
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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Untaroicht wrote:Muhammed (despite having to fight every now and then), taught similar principles that ISIS DOES NOT follow. I'm not entirely sure if the leaders of both groups really believe what they are preaching; rather, I have a suspicion that they are lying and using the religion's appeal to further their own agendas.


:rofl:

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Postby Servinta » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:Muhammed (despite having to fight every now and then), taught similar principles that ISIS DOES NOT follow. I'm not entirely sure if the leaders of both groups really believe what they are preaching; rather, I have a suspicion that they are lying and using the religion's appeal to further their own agendas.


:rofl:



:clap: I believe that's the truth,warping the words to suit their own goals.
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Postby Hakio » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.
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Postby District XIV » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:25 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Galloism wrote:This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.


I know the majority of people on NSG are militant atheists, some even extremists calling for blood; that quote was referring to the more religious members in particular.

[Citation needed]

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Postby Untaroicht » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:27 pm

Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.


I have a strong feeling you didn't read a word of the god-damned OP past the first few sentences and are just posting anti-theistic garbage in a thread about religion just to feel edgy.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:28 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Galloism wrote:This opinion may not be resoundingly echoed on NSG, you know.


I know the majority of people on NSG are militant atheists, some even extremists calling for blood; that quote was referring to the more religious members in particular.

Uh, quite the blatant generalization don't you think?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:28 pm

Hakio wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:Whether you're buddhist, muslim, odinist, christian, jewish, sikh, etc, I think we all can agree that religion it itself is a very good and beautiful thing.

HAHAHA fuck no.

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Postby Hakio » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:28 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.


I have a strong feeling you didn't read a word of the god-damned OP past the first few sentences and are just posting anti-theistic garbage in a thread about religion just to feel edgy.


The OP is utter bullshit. Religion has done nothing good and the way he excuses Mohammad's actions by minimizing it in comparison to ISIS is ridiculous. ISIS is probably staying the closest to what Mohammad actually did; kill and conquer.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:29 pm

Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.

Explain why only 7% of recorded wars in history are religious if it is so fucking terrible?
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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:
I know the majority of people on NSG are militant atheists, some even extremists calling for blood; that quote was referring to the more religious members in particular.

Uh, quite the blatant generalization don't you think?

Quite. I'm still waiting for his proof of such a thing.

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Benuty wrote:
Hakio wrote:HAHAHA fuck no.

Grow up, you weren't invited to the party so stop toilet papering my house!

NEVER!! :p
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:29 pm

Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.


Superstition doesn't have to be exclusive with religion. Just look at pirates.

And the "Amazing Atheist" proves that half the rest isn't exclusive with religion either.
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Benuty wrote:
Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.

Explain why only 7% of recorded wars in history are religious if it is so fucking terrible?
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The fact that we wasted human life on 7% of military conflicts on imaginary myths and fables is still horrible. Also, citation needed.
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Postby Servinta » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:31 pm

Hakio wrote:Bad things religion has given us: 9/11, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Israeli-Palestine conflict, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, slavery, Westboro Baptists Church, theocracy, witch trials, superstition, creationism, Sati, antiabortionism, rejection of contraception, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, jihadism, ISIS/ISIL, terrorism etc

Good things religion has given us: Art, music, astronomy, architecture, mathematics... can't think of anymore.


Slavery (has happened without religious reasoning), Israeli-Palestine conflict (two different ethnic groups would still war over land and territory),sexism (happens without religious reasoning as well),Terrorism (various reasons for terrorism).

It has given us unification of certain countries (sadly it also puts us at odds with others). :(

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:32 pm

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Untaroicht wrote:
I have a strong feeling you didn't read a word of the god-damned OP past the first few sentences and are just posting anti-theistic garbage in a thread about religion just to feel edgy.


The OP is utter bullshit. Religion has done nothing good and the way he excuses Mohammad's actions by minimizing it in comparison to ISIS is ridiculous. ISIS is probably staying the closest to what Mohammad actually did; kill and conquer.


Yup.
Religion has done nothing good, because without it the crusades totally wouldn't have happened for some, lesser, reason. The Roman Empire would've stayed together, because fuck logic! Christianity was the only reason that the Empire fell! A whole new golden age of society would begin! But without the Church who prevented European kings from going at each others throats everyday.

Nope! None of that is even relevant because I pick the details I want to use and the others that go against what I say is WRONG.
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Postby Hakio » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:33 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Hakio wrote:
The OP is utter bullshit. Religion has done nothing good and the way he excuses Mohammad's actions by minimizing it in comparison to ISIS is ridiculous. ISIS is probably staying the closest to what Mohammad actually did; kill and conquer.


Yup.
Religion has done nothing good, because without it the crusades totally wouldn't have happened for some, lesser, reason. The Roman Empire would've stayed together, because fuck logic! Christianity was the only reason that the Empire fell! A whole new golden age of society would begin! But without the Church who prevented European kings from going at each others throats everyday.

Nope! None of that is even relevant because I pick the details I want to use and the others that go against what I say is WRONG.


Uh I listed good things religion has done also, you know.
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