The United Left Council of Commissars (Closed/UL only)

[Bojikami]

The United Left Council of Commissars


Downtown Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

Following the events that occurred on September 9th, 2014, Premier Yuri Ivchenko and General Secretary Alexei Dobrunov of Bojikami worked closely with both delegates and leaders of the nations within the United Left to organise a leading council for the United Left. The idea was conceived after Alexei, upon the resignation of his comrade Griken realised that he now held absolute power within the United Left. In order to counter any possible seizures of power within the alliance from its future leaders that may come, he decided that the United Left must have a council to rule it and balance out the power of the executive (General Secretary). It is for this reason, that he declared that 10 days following the initial declaration of Griken stepping down the leaders of the UL nations shall meet in Regovishkigrad to discuss the council and its formation, and who the first commissars shall be.

Alexei Dobrunov, General Secretary of the United Left

Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

Yuri and Alexei awaited the delegates with anticipation. Both of them taking their natural seats in the United Left building, Alexei recalled the last meeting held here so long ago, back when the far-right and militarists were perceived once as wolves at our door, now seen as house dogs. Though this meeting did not necessarily have the same tense nature that the last had, this emergency conference would be of equal or more importance.

[Stasnov]

Downtown Regovishkigrad, Bojikami


Deputy Commissar of Diplomacy, Volodya Ivanovich Kirov, the Stasnovan represeentative in the United Left arrived outside the Council Building in a black limo. He got out of the limo, escorted by two guards wearing black military coats and pilotka caps, with red outlines and some touches of gold here and there. The 3 got in the building and eventually reached the conference room, they saw that Yuri and Alexei had already taken their seats

"Comrades" said Kirov "It's nice to meet you"

[District XIV]

Downtown Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

Jakob Lyro, the Frelsian delegate, wandered the busy streets of the Bojikamian city of Regovishkigrad. He was searching desperately for the United Left council building, only receiving little information on where the building was or what it looked like.

“Damn it,” he muttered, reaching yet another dead-end. “Oh wait...!” he started to shout, “There it is!” anxiously, Lyro approached the door to the building, draped in UL attire. On the front door the council meeting was clearly labeled for this building, so he entered though the door without a second thought...

[Vedria]

Downtown Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

"Well, we're here", says the limo driver for the Vedrian delegation. Minister Masoskib was there, as Ambassador Delerurist, plus a few men for security. Practically everyone knew of the meeting, due to the well-publicized resignation of Griken from the position of People's Comissar. They were in the city to discuss the future leadership of the alliance, as well as its goals in the future.

And so they stepped out of the limo, one at a time, and entered the meeting place. There, they'd decide the future of the UL, and of Vedria

[Bojikami]

Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

Alexei noticed the three delegations entered and greeted them. "Welcome comrades! We shall wait a bit longer to see who else shall be able to attend the meeting. But since you are here, why don't we discuss the main components of this council, such as whether it should be a representative or direct democracy?"

[Stasnov]

Kirov shook Dobrunov's hand "Thank you comrade Dobrunov" he said and took a seat "About that, well, for alliance this big, i guess that it will be better to have a repressentative democracy. Direct voting will cause a confusion for sure. I suggest that we make this a repressentative democracy, but, if there is a demand by the rest of the member-states we should do something like a referendum, where all nations get to vote."

[Elepis]

Dr Stanislaus Grumman, delegate for the People's Republic of Elepis rushed through the streets of the city in a Mercedes S class, his chauffeur driving speedily through the downtown traffic after many minutes and a pullover by the police for doing over the speed limit, they arrived at the building. Stanislaus rushed by security waving his badge and up to the conference room, he ran to his seat and placed his black coat over it. he drank the entire glass of water in in one gulp and said "Good evening Comrade's" as he sat down

[Communal Ecotopia]

Minister of Foreign Affairs Søvndal drives himself (as is his custom) through the winding streets, looking for the United Left assembly hall. Finally, sensing the increased traffic, he follows and enters the building. Taking off his trade-mark beret-style hat, he surveys the well-dressed crowd and looks down at his sport-coat and slacks. "Under-dressed again, dammit. Back home this would be much less formal." Meanwhile, he moves through the hall and hears a conversation about democratic procedure. "My good man," he bellows far more in the fashion of a musician he once was than the teacher, lawyer, and politician he has become, "direct democracy may be slow and contentious, but shouldn't we sacrifice a bit of expediency for inclusion and dialogue."

[Chilokver]

OOC: Wonder if my telegrams worked?

IC: The black sedan drove up to the UL building, Megan Connors expertly pulling into a tiny parking space. Confidently, she stepped out, despite having never been involved in the United Left before.

"Good day Comrades. I trust you are all well?"

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

OOC: I finally found my ambassador.

IC: Algat Rizvan pulled up in a small black electric vehicle. He checked his watch as he got out. A few minutes late, he thought. He quickly walked up the steps, and showed his information to the guards as he walked in. He entered the main hall. "Hello," he said. "Sorry that I'm a little late. I see the discussion has started already." Algat sat down at his seat and arranged some papers from a binder.

[Sebtopiaris]

Downtown Regovishkigrad, Bojikami

Johhnahsoes Troejahnoes stepped off of his little red biofeul-powered motorcycle, dressed in normal political attire. He was the average Sebtopiariot man- his skin was of an olive, Mediterranean complexion, his eyes were a deep blue, his hair flowed in long, almost-black locks, and he was of a medium, slender build. This was his first conference in foreign territory, and with Sebtopiaris's status as a new member in the united left, it would have a lot of exciting things to learn about the layout of the organisations and the level of international cooperation Sebtopiaris would be welcomingly obligated to participate in, which it had no problem with.

Johnahsoes looked at his watch. "Haeloeohs Sardihs, I'm late", he muttered to himself as he sprinted through the spacious doorway of the conference room before taking a seat. "Sorry I am late, my sindrohihx", he apologised ,"there was a delay for my flight. I hope I haven't missed much." He then sat quietly and listened to the conversation, assuming that he was only a few minutes late and that he could pick up a lot about the conversation by listening to it, and providing his ideas in a productive manner when the time was right. Just like a Karihstohpohlihs Metropolitan Council gathering, he thought.

[Bojikami]

Alexei looked at the new arrivals before him, and he nodded happily. "Fair point, comrade Kirov. For those of you now arriving, we are having a discussion on whether this new council should adopt a representative form or take a more direct approach." Dobrunov then takes his seat and awaits the beginning of the discussions.

[Sebtopiaris]

Alexei looked at the new arrivals before him, and he nodded happily. "Fair point, comrade Kirov. For those of you now arriving, we are having a discussion on whether this new council should adopt a representative form or take a more direct approach." Dobrunov then takes his seat and awaits the beginning of the discussions.

"Thank you for informing me on the current situation, Moeihs'quihs Sihndrohihs", said Johhnahsoes thankfully. He stroked the stubble that lined his jaw thoughtfully as he thought about which approach the council should take, and then got up and said ," I believe the council should take a more direct approach. That way we can better respond to the needs of member nations and, more importantly, their people. A direct or semi-direct approach would be greatly beneficial for the people of all of our nations, something which I'd like to see."

[Vedria]

Alexei looked at the new arrivals before him, and he nodded happily. "Fair point, comrade Kirov. For those of you now arriving, we are having a discussion on whether this new council should adopt a representative form or take a more direct approach." Dobrunov then takes his seat and awaits the beginning of the discussions.

A few moments after the Sebtopiarisian delegate's speech, Alath steps up to speak.

"While I believe that democracy is the best ideology by which to lead a nation, the United Left is not a nation. It is an organization of nations for their common good, for their survival. We have banded together under the threat of fascist oppression, and, even though we are now stronger than ever, that threat still stands. Democracy is great, but our survival is greater. Therefore, I suggest that we adapt a government in which our leading council, made up of 5 to 8 of our senior members, have absolute power in directing UL policy. While it is most probable that they'd have the welfare of the United Left and it's member states at it's top priority, sometimes this may not be so, at least, in the eyes of our less senior members. In light of this, I propose that our members, if they see that any action done by the ruling council is not in the United Left's best interests, will be able to call for a referrendum which, if it passes, has the ability to override the said action by the ruling council.

Of course, this is still all up for debate, but I believe that this will be best for our alliance in the coming years. "

[Sebtopiaris]

A few moments after the Sebtopiarisian delegate's speech, Alath steps up to speak.

OOC: It's Sebtopiariot.

[Stasnov]

Kirov stood up

"I partially agree with comrade Alath. But, i'll have to disagree with what he said about the council. In my opinion, council members should have terms and not be in the council for life. That way, we can be democratic and have the UL in a stable situation. And like our Vedrian comrade said, will can be able to call for a referrendum if the rest of the UL thinks that the Coucil's descision doesn't serve the UL's interests."

[Vedria]

Kirov stood up

"I partially agree with comrade Alath. But, i'll have to disagree with what he said about the council. In my opinion, council members should have terms and not be in the council for life. That way, we can be democratic and have the UL in a stable situation. And like our Vedrian comrade said, will can be able to call for a referrendum if the rest of the UL thinks that the Coucil's descision doesn't serve the UL's interests."

"Ah, yes. Of course. Term limits shall be imposed, and council members will be elected. Of course, they'd need to be screened first as to ensure they are good enough to lead us."

OOC: @ Sebtopiaris: Sorry. Will fix and remember.

[Sebtopiaris]

Kirov stood up

"I partially agree with comrade Alath. But, i'll have to disagree with what he said about the council. In my opinion, council members should have terms and not be in the council for life. That way, we can be democratic and have the UL in a stable situation. And like our Vedrian comrade said, will can be able to call for a referrendum if the rest of the UL thinks that the Coucil's descision doesn't serve the UL's interests."

"I agree with this. I wholly support term limits to keep the council democratic, and a system of delegate revocability like what is seen in many well-functioning worker's councils in my home country also shows promise."

Alexei looked at the new arrivals before him, and he nodded happily. "Fair point, comrade Kirov. For those of you now arriving, we are having a discussion on whether this new council should adopt a representative form or take a more direct approach." Dobrunov then takes his seat and awaits the beginning of the discussions.

A few moments after the Sebtopiarisian delegate's speech, Alath steps up to speak.

"While I believe that democracy is the best ideology by which to lead a nation, the United Left is not a nation. It is an organization of nations for their common good, for their survival. We have banded together under the threat of fascist oppression, and, even though we are now stronger than ever, that threat still stands. Democracy is great, but our survival is greater. Therefore, I suggest that we adapt a government in which our leading council, made up of 5 to 8 of our senior members, have absolute power in directing UL policy. While it is most probable that they'd have the welfare of the United Left and it's member states at it's top priority, sometimes this may not be so, at least, in the eyes of our less senior members. In light of this, I propose that our members, if they see that any action done by the ruling council is not in the United Left's best interests, will be able to call for a referrendum which, if it passes, has the ability to override the said action by the ruling council.

Of course, this is still all up for debate, but I believe that this will be best for our alliance in the coming years. "

"I will have to disagree with my dear Sihndrohihs Alath, however. While you are right that in times of danger democracies tend to cease to be democracies, as many successful democracies have shown by suspending elections during major wars and allowing competent, brave men to stay in power and save our country, I must point out that we can at least allow for some level of directness and democracy in peaceful times like this. We have banded together- the fascists no longer stand a threat to our freedom for now, and in our glorious banding together I think it is just that we exercise the wonderful democratic process to help represent each other and keep our nations out of crisis, be it economic or political."

OOC: @ Sebtopiaris: Sorry. Will fix and remember.

It's fine. Common mistake.

[Vedria]

"And that, dear sirs, brings me to my second point. Due to the vast mass that is the United Left, direct or even representative democracy is a slow and time-consuming process. We have well over fifty members, and some only send communiques every month or so. We can't have something like that slowing down our decision making. Therefore, I say we push my proposal for an executive council

Thank you."

And with that, Alath sits down.

[Stasnov]

"And that, dear sirs, brings me to my second point. Due to the vast mass that is the United Left, direct or even representative democracy is a slow and time-consuming process. We have well over fifty members, and some only send communiques every month or so. We can't have something like that slowing down our decision making. Therefore, I say we push my proposal for an executive council

Thank you."

And with that, Alath sits down.

"Comrade Alath, i think that the Council of Commissars will fulfill this role, am i mistaken?"

said Kirov with a strange look on his face

[Vedria]

"And that, dear sirs, brings me to my second point. Due to the vast mass that is the United Left, direct or even representative democracy is a slow and time-consuming process. We have well over fifty members, and some only send communiques every month or so. We can't have something like that slowing down our decision making. Therefore, I say we push my proposal for an executive council

Thank you."

And with that, Alath sits down.

"Comrade Alath, i think that the Council of Commissars will fulfill this role, am i mistaken?"

said Kirov with a strange look on his face

Once more, Alath gets up and speaks.

"Well, yes. As long as out Council of Commissars is small, they can fulfill the role of an executive council.

[Stasnov]

"Comrade Alath, i think that the Council of Commissars will fulfill this role, am i mistaken?"

said Kirov with a strange look on his face

Once more, Alath gets up and speaks.

"Well, yes. As long as out Council of Commissars is small, they can fulfill the role of an executive council.

"That's what i'd prefer as a temporary solution" said Kirov and sat down. He started searching his coat's inner pocket and got a cigar out of it "Uhmm, is smoking allowed on here??" he said with an akward look on his face

[Elepis]

Dr Grumman rose to speak "Comrades, I agree with the idea of a council, a direct democracy system would be too confusing. However the members of this council must have strict term limits to stop it turning in to a Junta with the same people on it for years. I would like to see a council where you can have a unlimited amount of terms BUT the terms cannot be consecutive, as to limit the power of one nation of one group of nations!"

[The High Lords]

The Dominion Representative arrived, and took the nearest available seat. He cared not for what had been mentioned earlier, but made note to his assistant, Yerikan, to obtain this information. Konstantin Ramischollen laid back, and waited for the next available pause, before submitting his remarks and plan.

"I am saddened that Griken has decided to step down, as his work within this coalition has been most vital. However, passing on this information, I see that we seem to realize that there is a greater issue at hand. We need a replacement. I have no qualms with having Dobrunov succeed into the vacancy. But I hear, from reports that came to me, that there are notions of democracy.

I want to warn you all, first and foremost, of the dangers involved in the endeavour that we have begun. As was represented in the Soviet Dominion's history, and possibly other Soviet nations of the same kind, a fully communist system cannot work. We cannot fully account for all people's needs and wants throughout a Soviet system representing Communism. Either an iron-fisted ruler is born of it, or an apathetic figurehead. It is near impossible to achieve a middle ground in which the Soviet State can thrive.

On the other hand, democracy proves to be an issue. Similar problems are mirrored in this system, allowing for a tyranny of the majority. We are either communist or socialist nations, united under the hammer and sickle. We are dedicated to the equality of mankind. The democratic system will, eventually, lead to a power struggle. Those who have, and those who have not will struggle over the thing to be had. Those who live in Novaya Moskva will have things that those in Kalinigrad will not have. These peoples will eventually offset, and then attempt dominance. There are fully Communist ones of us, and there are Democratic Socialist ones of us. I can only foresee struggles between the two leftist ideologies, and as to how things ought to be executed.

Democracy can also become a bogged down system, with none of the participants agreeing to do anything. As separate nations with our own interests, we will all be vying for our own good. Granted, we will all come into this system striving for the Common Good, but it is inevitable when our individual needs trump it. When a vote passes on an issue so hotly debated and impassioned, vital to each and every one of our nations, I fear that it will rip apart this Unity at the very seams. When we divide ourselves fifty-one to forty-nine, what is to be of the lost? Are the lost simply resigned to accepting their position and have continuance?

I illustrate the dangers of the Iron Fist, but I also illustrate the dangers of a free vote for all. Complications and strife is sure to result, but it is our job to fully accommodate each and every one of us represented, but to ensure that we all are willing to co-operate with the other, for the achievement of the Common Good. For at our very roots, we follow the leftist ideology, and realize there is something greater for Mankind, and it is our responsibility to seize that - for the human race. It begins with us.

Following my arrival is a plan, from the Dominion, for the future of the United Left. I shall share the details with you all when it becomes available."

OOC: I am merely the John Locke to your Thomas Jefferson.



EDIT: minor edit

[Chilokver]

Dr Grumman rose to speak "Comrades, I agree with the idea of a council, a direct democracy system would be too confusing. However the members of this council must have strict term limits to stop it turning in to a Junta with the same people on it for years. I would like to see a council where you can have a unlimited amount of terms BUT the terms cannot be consecutive, as to limit the power of one nation of one group of nations!"

"Exactly. While a democracy can lead to power struggles, a strict term limit and controlling legislation shall ensure that we do not encounter any problems. Would a term limit of 1 month be acceptable?" questioned Megan as she frantically took notes on her iPad.