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[DRAFT] The WA grant for the gifted

Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:05 pm

I'm pretty much done with this, cba to keep up with it. Thanks for all the input and help, though! :)
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Postby Hakio » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:25 pm

Welcome to the WA! We'd recommend you read our passed resolution list before jumping into the Festering Snakepit.
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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:25 pm

Hakio wrote:Welcome to the WA! We'd recommend you read our passed resolution list before jumping into the Festering Snakepit.

Alright. What do you think, btw?

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Postby Hakio » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:
Hakio wrote:Welcome to the WA! We'd recommend you read our passed resolution list before jumping into the Festering Snakepit.

Alright. What do you think, btw?

If you study up on the normal proposal format this is a good minor issue to legislate and would be a good jumping off point to larger projects. As it is now, however, I would recommend you possibly seek a coauthor or somebody else to help you with the drafting process. Good luck to you and your future endeavors.
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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:37 pm

Hakio wrote:
Pan-America under the United States wrote:Alright. What do you think, btw?

If you study up on the normal proposal format this is a good minor issue to legislate and would be a good jumping off point to larger projects. As it is now, however, I would recommend you possibly seek a coauthor or somebody else to help you with the drafting process. Good luck to you and your future endeavors.

Thanks you for your input, would it qualify as a proposal? Or would I need to redraft it?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:09 pm

"Why, so help me, Odin, are we expected to help fund seminaries? Just because we have the freedom to worship in the WA doesn't mean we should encourage that superstitious drivel.

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"Er, except for the Cute One, of course! That's hardly drivel, after all." Bell adds very loudly and pointedly, looking around nervously for the Kawiaan delegation.

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Why, so help me, Odin, are we expected to help fund seminaries? Just because we have the freedom to worship in the WA doesn't mean we should encourage that superstitious drivel.

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"Er, except for the Cute One, of course! That's hardly drivel, after all." Bell adds very loudly and pointedly, looking around nervously for the Kawiaan delegation.

Alright, so what do you think is wrong and how do you propose I fix it? I asked for feedback, can you put some forward? Thanks.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:30 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Why, so help me, Odin, are we expected to help fund seminaries? Just because we have the freedom to worship in the WA doesn't mean we should encourage that superstitious drivel.

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"Er, except for the Cute One, of course! That's hardly drivel, after all." Bell adds very loudly and pointedly, looking around nervously for the Kawiaan delegation.

Alright, so what do you think is wrong and how do you propose I fix it? I asked for feedback, can you put some forward? Thanks.

"For one, this is illegal for being optional. Resolutions must not be optional in it's mandates. As it stands, contributing to this fund is voluntary, and all operational clauses have to do with participants. So, if the C.D.S.P. decides not to partake, and we absolutely won't be funding the education of non-citizens, this fails to affect us. While this is acceptable for certain resolutions, such as GAR#10 not especially affecting nations without nuclear weapons, or resolutions dealing with democratic elections not affecting pure monarchies, this draft doesn't benefit from that flexibility.

"Also, the formatting is awkward. Keep your clauses as a numbered list, without extra line breaks. And get rid of that blasted reference to religious nuthouses seminaries. I still firmly believe that this is a topic the WA should stay the hell out of, but let's get it looking right before getting into that."

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:33 pm

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Pan-America under the United States wrote:Alright, so what do you think is wrong and how do you propose I fix it? I asked for feedback, can you put some forward? Thanks.

"For one, this is illegal for being optional. Resolutions must not be optional in it's mandates. As it stands, contributing to this fund is voluntary, and all operational clauses have to do with participants. So, if the C.D.S.P. decides not to partake, and we absolutely won't be funding the education of non-citizens, this fails to affect us. While this is acceptable for certain resolutions, such as GAR#10 not especially affecting nations without nuclear weapons, or resolutions dealing with democratic elections not affecting pure monarchies, this draft doesn't benefit from that flexibility.

"Also, the formatting is awkward. Keep your clauses as a numbered list, without extra line breaks. And get rid of that blasted reference to religious nuthouses seminaries. I still firmly believe that this is a topic the WA should stay the hell out of, but let's get it looking right before getting into that."

Okay, thank you for your input. Just say this next time, lol.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:35 pm

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Okay, thank you for your input. Just say this next time, lol.

"I did. You just didn't hear the subtext of that particular bit until I added it with the rest. We still haven't delved into the subject matter, after all."

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:42 pm

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Pan-America under the United States wrote:
Okay, thank you for your input. Just say this next time, lol.

"I did. You just didn't hear the subtext of that particular bit until I added it with the rest. We still haven't delved into the subject matter, after all."

Oh well, thank you for your feedback regardless. What about the subject matter?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:52 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:Oh well, thank you for your feedback regardless. What about the subject matter?

"Primarily, that this isn't needed. I see no reason a nation should have to contribute to the education of anybody but those attending their own schools. Setting up an international piggy bank is doing just that. And if this is a single-payer system, well then, what's the point? If you allow nations to opt out, wealthy nations with no issues will do so, and leave the only users those too destitute to make a difference.

"Establishing that the funding is an issue, we can focus on the recipients. Will all schools receive funding? Regardless of subject matter? I made a stink about religion, but what about those theocracies that ONLY teach religion? What about those schools that spread misinformation to students with malice of forethought? Surely we won't fund those. But how do we separate deliberate lies from differing perspectives? Different versions of history in conflict, with both sides rooted in truth? It gets sticky. Which is why national authorities are in a much better position to handle education at all levels, ambassador, and that's just painting it with broad strokes."

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:58 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Pan-America under the United States wrote:Oh well, thank you for your feedback regardless. What about the subject matter?

"Primarily, that this isn't needed. I see no reason a nation should have to contribute to the education of anybody but those attending their own schools. Setting up an international piggy bank is doing just that. And if this is a single-payer system, well then, what's the point? If you allow nations to opt out, wealthy nations with no issues will do so, and leave the only users those too destitute to make a difference.

"Establishing that the funding is an issue, we can focus on the recipients. Will all schools receive funding? Regardless of subject matter? I made a stink about religion, but what about those theocracies that ONLY teach religion? What about those schools that spread misinformation to students with malice of forethought? Surely we won't fund those. But how do we separate deliberate lies from differing perspectives? Different versions of history in conflict, with both sides rooted in truth? It gets sticky. Which is why national authorities are in a much better position to handle education at all levels, ambassador, and that's just painting it with broad strokes."

Eh, you actually make some good points. Maybe I could just revise the idea from grants to scholarships for students?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:01 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:Eh, you actually make some good points. Maybe I could just revise the idea from grants to scholarships for students?

"Don't sound so surprised. I've been here a while. You could, but you'd have the same issues with funding, for one, and you'd run into the same issue of national authorities being significantly more likely to handle this better then the WA could."

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:54 pm

Revised, need opinions from people.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:15 pm

"I still see no reason C.D.S.P. Greenbacks should find the education of non-C.D.S.P. citizens and legal residents thereof. Also, this has become shockingly human-centric."

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:16 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I still see no reason C.D.S.P. Greenbacks should find the education of non-C.D.S.P. citizens and legal residents thereof. Also, this has become shockingly human-centric."

I'm pretty satisfied with this. Human-centric, though?

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Postby District XIV » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:19 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"I still see no reason C.D.S.P. Greenbacks should find the education of non-C.D.S.P. citizens and legal residents thereof. Also, this has become shockingly human-centric."

I'm pretty satisfied with this. Human-centric, though?

“Using things like ‘12 and 19’, the ‘IQ level’ part, etc. Keep in mind that the World Assembly covers a wide scope of nations, and each nation may or has the majority of its population inhabited by a non-Humanoid species.”
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:24 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:I'm pretty satisfied with this.

"Great. Then you can explain why nations should be paying exorbitantly for individuals who are not under their jurisdiction, paying into their tax structure, contributing to their civil service, or otherwise benefiting their nation. I'm interested in hearing the justification."
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:32 pm

District XIV wrote:
Pan-America under the United States wrote:I'm pretty satisfied with this. Human-centric, though?

“Using things like ‘12 and 19’, the ‘IQ level’ part, etc. Keep in mind that the World Assembly covers a wide scope of nations, and each nation may or has the majority of its population inhabited by a non-Humanoid species.”

Oh FFS. Should we start whacking ambassadors (again) for bringing up this kind of shit? :roll:

"Children attending intermediate to higher-level secondary education," then. Is that good?

To the author, the WA already has a general fund for these kinds of endeavors. If you cite "proceeds for which shall be drawn from WA funding," the WAGF will automatically be increased to support this scholarship and you won't need to require everyone donate 1% (which is a pretty high amount, anyway - were the USA an NS nation, it would be donating $30 billion...just to a scholarship fund!).
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Postby District XIV » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:40 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
District XIV wrote:“Using things like ‘12 and 19’, the ‘IQ level’ part, etc. Keep in mind that the World Assembly covers a wide scope of nations, and each nation may or has the majority of its population inhabited by a non-Humanoid species.”

Oh FFS. Should we start whacking ambassadors (again) for bringing up this kind of shit? :roll:

"Children attending intermediate to higher-level secondary education," then. Is that good?

To the author, the WA already has a general fund for these kinds of endeavors. If you cite "proceeds for which shall be drawn from WA funding," the WAGF will automatically be increased to support this scholarship and you won't need to require everyone donate 1% (which is a pretty high amount, anyway - were the USA an NS nation, it would be donating $30 billion...just to a scholarship fund!).

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:42 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
District XIV wrote:“Using things like ‘12 and 19’, the ‘IQ level’ part, etc. Keep in mind that the World Assembly covers a wide scope of nations, and each nation may or has the majority of its population inhabited by a non-Humanoid species.”

Oh FFS. Should we start whacking ambassadors (again) for bringing up this kind of shit? :roll:

"Children attending intermediate to higher-level secondary education," then. Is that good?

RP hater!!!1!

And with that, I think I've successfully run yet another joke into the ground.
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:To the author, the WA already has a general fund for these kinds of endeavors. If you cite "proceeds for which shall be drawn from WA funding," the WAGF will automatically be increased to support this scholarship and you won't need to require everyone donate 1% (which is a pretty high amount, anyway - were the USA an NS nation, it would be donating $30 billion...just to a scholarship fund!).

Which would be about the entire US non-military aid budget! 1% is ridiculously high, but using WAGF obviates the need for hard numbers anyway.

I do think there's scope for legislation in this area though so I will have my character reply in the morning, once I've OOCly learned whether I still live in the UK or not.

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:46 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Pan-America under the United States wrote:I'm pretty satisfied with this.

"Great. Then you can explain why nations should be paying exorbitantly for individuals who are not under their jurisdiction, paying into their tax structure, contributing to their civil service, or otherwise benefiting their nation. I'm interested in hearing the justification."

You're leaving out that you get money too.

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Postby Pan-America under the United States » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:48 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
District XIV wrote:“Using things like ‘12 and 19’, the ‘IQ level’ part, etc. Keep in mind that the World Assembly covers a wide scope of nations, and each nation may or has the majority of its population inhabited by a non-Humanoid species.”

Oh FFS. Should we start whacking ambassadors (again) for bringing up this kind of shit? :roll:

"Children attending intermediate to higher-level secondary education," then. Is that good?

To the author, the WA already has a general fund for these kinds of endeavors. If you cite "proceeds for which shall be drawn from WA funding," the WAGF will automatically be increased to support this scholarship and you won't need to require everyone donate 1% (which is a pretty high amount, anyway - were the USA an NS nation, it would be donating $30 billion...just to a scholarship fund!).

So, what would that mean?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:48 pm

Pan-America under the United States wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Great. Then you can explain why nations should be paying exorbitantly for individuals who are not under their jurisdiction, paying into their tax structure, contributing to their civil service, or otherwise benefiting their nation. I'm interested in hearing the justification."

You're leaving out that you get money too.

"My nation doesn't need the money. We're capable of funding our own system, and refuse to find others', be it through this mechanism, or by having this money black hole tap into the WAGF, which still comes from member states."

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