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Antarctic Research Treaty (Proposed by Esceen) - AMENDED!
Shahak- Sjin Treaty (Proposed by Shahak)
People Determination Act (Proposed by Nova Finland)
Criminal Trial Act (proposed by Orange-Habsburg)
UNZ Condemnation of Sjin (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists) - REPEALED!
The Regional Health Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists) - AMENDED!
Regional Health Act Amendment (Original Proposal by Union of Kiwi Socialists, Amendment written by Esceen)
Nuclear Weapons Ban (Proposed by Kuki-Airani)
Regional Security Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists) - REPEALED!
WMD Classification Act Re-submission (Proposed by Esceen)
The Panama Canal Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
The Suez Canal Treaty (Proposed by Xarcan)
Repeal Regional Security Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
Repeal: 'NZ Condemnation of Sjin' (Original Proposal by Union of Kiwi Socialists, Amendment written by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
Discussion on a Constitution (Proposed by Christian Constantinople)
Australian Colonization Act (Proposed by Xarcan)
Nuclear-Free Southern Pacific Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
Proposed Euro-African Peace Plan (Submitted by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
UNZ Commendation of Lost Phantoms (Proposed by Union or Kiwi Socialists)
Antarctic Research Treaty Amendment (Original Proposal by Esceen, Amendment written by The Eastern Antarctic State)
Approve the NZ Constitution (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
2nd Amendment of the Antarctic Research Treaty (Original Proposal by Esceen, 2nd Amendment written by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
Repeal #2: The Colonization of Australia Act (Proposed by Franceali)
Mutual Stand Down of Arms (Balkan States) Act (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)
Project World Gate (Proposed by Franceali)
Colonization Act (Proposed by Franceali)
UNZ Commendation of UKS (Proposed by Lost Phantoms)
1st Amendment of NZ Constitution (Proposed by Union of Kiwi Socialists)

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Shahak- Sjin Treaty Proposal

Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:51 am

Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms HALF of their WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

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The State of Shahak
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Postby Nova Finland » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:55 am

Shahak wrote:Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms ALL WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

Regards
The State of Shahak

The sublime Duchy of Nova Finland will second this motion only if the WMD bit is edited from all to halved.
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Postby Nova Finland » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:56 am

OOC: how many votes needed to pass a resolution?
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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:59 am

Nova Finland wrote:
Shahak wrote:Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms ALL WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

Regards
The State of Shahak

The sublime Duchy of Nova Finland will second this motion only if the WMD bit is edited from all to halved.


Sure
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:00 am

Nova Finland wrote:OOC: how many votes needed to pass a resolution?


Although a majority is desired, it is unrealistic that this would occur. As a result, I propose that the nation's directly involved and half of the member states must approve any resolution. This is open to debate however.

IC:

The Democratic Socialists States of Union of Kiwi Socialists hereby approves this proposal, and hopes that it will bring about the end of Shahaki-Sjin conflicts.

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Postby Sjin » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:00 am

Shahak wrote:Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms ALL WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

Regards
The State of Shahak

sounds good but i have no wmds there all gone i nused the all on greatscotland
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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:01 am

Sjin wrote:
Shahak wrote:Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms ALL WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

Regards
The State of Shahak

sounds good but i have no wmds there all gone i nused the all on greatscotland


The Kenetic Bombardment System?
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:02 am

Sjin wrote:
Shahak wrote:Shahak will agree to a treaty with these terms

1. Shahak will be free from a potential attack from Sjin
2. Anti-Shahaki messages will not be posted in the RMB
3. Shahak demands recognition as a country that is not an enemy by Sjin
4. Sjin disarms ALL WMDs.

In exchange Shahak will.

1. Recognise Sjin as a Marxist State and not a Dictatorship
2. Will stay out of Sjin's national matters
3. Not post any Anti-Sjin messages on the RMB
4. Will agree to trade with Sjin and create Diplomatic ties with the country.

Please take this in to consideration.

Regards
The State of Shahak

sounds good but i have no wmds there all gone i nused the all on greatscotland


You used them ALL on Graetscotland?

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Postby Sjin » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:03 am

Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:
Sjin wrote:sounds good but i have no wmds there all gone i nused the all on greatscotland


You used them ALL on Graetscotland?

yes
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:04 am

Shahak wrote:The Kenetic Bombardment System?


I hereby propose a second resolution which restricts both the tests and usage of Kinetic Bombardment Systems

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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:04 am

Sjin wrote:
Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:
You used them ALL on Graetscotland?

yes


What about The Kenetic Bombardment System?
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Postby Nova Finland » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:04 am

Sjin wrote:
Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:
You used them ALL on Graetscotland?

yes

Nova Finland would like to request how many WMD sjin had in the first place.
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Postby Sjin » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:05 am

Shahak wrote:
Sjin wrote:sounds good but i have no wmds there all gone i nused the all on greatscotland


The Kenetic Bombardment System?

not reconised as a wmd as irl is ilegil to have wmds in space and the us sined it and they are bilding one
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Postby Nova Finland » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:06 am

Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:
Shahak wrote:The Kenetic Bombardment System?


I hereby propose a second resolution which restricts both the tests and usage of Kinetic Bombardment Systems

Seconded
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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:09 am

Nova Finland wrote:
Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:
I hereby propose a second resolution which restricts both the tests and usage of Kinetic Bombardment Systems

Seconded


I agree
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Postby Sjin » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:32 pm

Nova Finland wrote:
Sjin wrote:yes

Nova Finland would like to request how many WMD sjin had in the first place.

I have zero
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:04 pm

So do you agree to the proposal Sjin?

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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:52 pm

Union of Kiwi Socialists wrote:So do you agree to the proposal Sjin?


Good question?
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WMD Classification act

Postby Esceen » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:44 pm

The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Research/Defense purposes only) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death. If used outside of users territory, it will be considered a warcrime/crime against humanity. E.G. Tsunami bombs

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements: Shahak, Union of Kiwi Socialists, Esceen, Shamdag
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:48 pm

Esceen wrote:The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death.

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Tsunami bombs, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements:


Union of Kiwi Socialists politely requests that their Tsunami Bomb be allowed for research purposes.
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Postby Nova Finland » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:54 pm

Esceen wrote:The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death.

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Tsunami bombs, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements:

Maybe legalise 3 as deterrent?
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Postby Shahak » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:55 pm

Esceen wrote:The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death.

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Tsunami bombs, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements:


I second that
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Postby Union of Kiwi Socialists » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:40 pm

Nova Finland wrote:
Esceen wrote:The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death.

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Tsunami bombs, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements:

Maybe legalise 3 as deterrent?


The legalization of Class 3 would ensure MAD principles for defence, I would support this amendment.

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Postby Sjin » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:26 am

Esceen wrote:The WMD Classification act would help classify and identify Weapons of Mass Destruction. There would be a scale that rates how destructive the weapon is. Weapons classified 3 and up on the destructive scale would be banned from use and if used would be considered crimes against humanity. WMDs of any classification cannot be used against wildlife conservation areas or areas with human life.

1 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is not particularly destructive. Can only destroy a tiny area of land. E.G. a 5 x 5 square kilometer area.

2 (Not Banned) - A WMD that is Partially destructive. It is not banned, but it is not acceptable to use in a wartime scenario.

3 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a small city and cause severe human harm and death.

4 (Banned) - A WMD that can destroy a large city or kill large amounts of people. E.G. Chemical Weapons, Tsunami bombs, Biological Weapons, Toxicological Weapons

5 (Banned) - A WMD that can cause a large amount of physical destruction and has the capability to kill large amounts of people. Weapons that are capability to cause major radioactive fallout are categorized as 5 aswell. E.G. Nuclear Weapons, Radiological Weapons

Endorsements:

no sorry bill but i cant let you do that
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