by Greater Beggnig » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:05 am
by Chestaan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:07 am
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:07 am
by Vistulange » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:23 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:25 am
by Jimanistan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:28 am
Vistulange wrote:While I'm not a Marxist per se, I don't really care about homosexuals, in the way that I don't think about their sexual orientation. What two consenting people do together, preferably in private, is really none of my business. Unless I'm one of the persons.
by Cedoria » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:32 am
by Baltenstein » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:28 am
Cedoria wrote:As a Social Democrat, I would like to weigh in.
I don't care about homosexuality as an issue. If you want to marry somebody, you should be allowed, as long as it is mutually consenting. The Church/reactionary politicians has no right to tell people that they have no right to marry somebody of their choice.
It's a bit rich for the church to claim issues of "morality" considering their own history of sexual abuse amongst members of the clergy.
by Araraukar » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:06 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Olivaero » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:18 am
by Ashmoria » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:19 am
Greater Beggnig wrote:Some Communists such as Guy Hocquenghem have argued that homosexuality is "one of the effects of capitalist sociality" and in the old Soviet Block countries there was a very negative view of homosexuality, (in the Soviet Union it was commonly equated with pedophilia). Others such as the CPUSA have argued that the liberation of gays is a key issue that Marxists must grapple with. As NS tends to be more in favour of gay rights than against it, I was curious as to how the Marxists, Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, Leninists, Trotskyists, etc., here would weigh up homosexuality according to their ideology. As what some of you would call a 'Zubatovist' I am intrigued with Socialism and Communism.
I'm personally completely in favour of gay rights, as I know many homosexuals and I see no reason why their relationships should be treated as lesser than those of heterosexual couples. So Socialists and Communists, what is your opinion of homosexuality and gay rights?
by Greater Beggnig » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:47 am
Ashmoria wrote:Greater Beggnig wrote:Some Communists such as Guy Hocquenghem have argued that homosexuality is "one of the effects of capitalist sociality" and in the old Soviet Block countries there was a very negative view of homosexuality, (in the Soviet Union it was commonly equated with pedophilia). Others such as the CPUSA have argued that the liberation of gays is a key issue that Marxists must grapple with. As NS tends to be more in favour of gay rights than against it, I was curious as to how the Marxists, Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, Leninists, Trotskyists, etc., here would weigh up homosexuality according to their ideology. As what some of you would call a 'Zubatovist' I am intrigued with Socialism and Communism.
I'm personally completely in favour of gay rights, as I know many homosexuals and I see no reason why their relationships should be treated as lesser than those of heterosexual couples. So Socialists and Communists, what is your opinion of homosexuality and gay rights?
is this their current position?
by Destiny Island » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:50 am
by Apparatchikstan » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:57 am
by Baltenstein » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:59 am
Greater Beggnig wrote:For example, there are many people in Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, etc., who are still advocates of the Soviet system, as well as its anti-gay stances.
by Ashmoria » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:08 am
by Destiny Island » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:09 am
Baltenstein wrote:Greater Beggnig wrote:For example, there are many people in Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, etc., who are still advocates of the Soviet system, as well as its anti-gay stances.
Not surprising, just like there are gay Republicans, gay Nazis, gay religious fundamentalists...one's sexual orientation doesn't determine one's political beliefs.
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:24 am
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Juristonia » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:26 am
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:26 am
Ashmoria wrote:Greater Beggnig wrote:
It depends on the Commie in question.
EDIT:
For example, there are many people in Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, etc., who are still advocates of the Soviet system, as well as its anti-gay stances.
are those people considered big time communist/socialist thinkers?
I don't know why any modern communist would care what some guy thought about homosexuality if that opinion was expressed more than 20 years ago. the farther back you go the more it was the thinking of "everyone" at the time, communist or not. it amounts to nothing more than ideological justification of a non-political rejection of something they didn't really understand but thought was yucky.
if there are current communist thinkers who still think that being gay or accepting gay rights is somehow counterrevolutionary and advocate that all communist/socialists should be anti-gay rights, then we can talk. otherwise its a relic of the past just like any other anti-gay politician.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Luziyca » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:27 am
Destiny Island wrote:They're human like everyone else, so why shouldn't they get rights?
by Greater Beggnig » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:30 am
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