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Korean Unification and Her neighbors

Postby Of Liberion » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:58 am

What do you think would be better for a reunified Korea? Comunist Controlled North or the democratic South? How would a unified Korea of either nation affect the World and Her neighbors? How powerful would Korea be today if it becomes unified?

How would the north be incorporated into a pro democracy instead of a cult worshiping nation?
Or do we just blow them all to H? But no one can get away with that

I am from South Korea born in Seoul so you know what I'd choose
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:22 pm

You are supposed to offer your opinion in the OP, and North Korea hasn't even pretended to be devoted to the realization of communism for over a decade now.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:45 pm

Obviously a unified Korea would just be too powerful for the world to contain. Gangnam Style would become the national anthem, and everyone would be forced to write in Hangul.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:46 pm

No, it is too much effort, and the North would likely drag the South into its own sinkhole.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:48 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:Obviously a unified Korea would just be too powerful for the world to contain. Gangnam Style would become the national anthem, and everyone would be forced to write in Hangul.


I think it is high time for a Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere under the Koreans.

The Chinese dominated East Asia already, the Japanese had their time in the sun, I think it is only fair that the Koreans get a go at it.

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Postby Avenio » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:51 pm

A unified Korea right now under any regime (though let's be honest, N'Korea's not going to be the one doing the unifying - they've got enough problems just maintaining themselves) would be really bad. The economic disparity between the two countries will take generations and billions in aid and development to rectify, and at best you're going to be looking at a pseudo-apartheid state, with little power devolved to the North and strict controls on its citizens. If unification is going to happen and be successful for everyone involved it needs to be prefaced by a long period of economic integration and international development on the North. Otherwise the whole peninsula would get dragged down.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:51 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Obviously a unified Korea would just be too powerful for the world to contain. Gangnam Style would become the national anthem, and everyone would be forced to write in Hangul.


I think it is high time for a Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere under the Koreans.

The Chinese dominated East Asia already, the Japanese had their time in the sun, I think it is only fair that the Koreans get a go at it.

It's actually kind of surprising to me that there wasn't a Korean Chinese dynasty. I mean the Manchus managed to pull it off.
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Postby Dajing (Ancient) » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:58 pm

Is this a serious thread?

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:58 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
I think it is high time for a Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere under the Koreans.

The Chinese dominated East Asia already, the Japanese had their time in the sun, I think it is only fair that the Koreans get a go at it.

It's actually kind of surprising to me that there wasn't a Korean Chinese dynasty. I mean the Manchus managed to pull it off.


And the Mongols.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:59 pm

Dajing wrote:Is this a serious thread?

I think the OP wanted it to be, but he didn't put very much work into it.
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Postby Estenia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:05 pm

Never gonna happen, either North or South Korea will capture each other to make a unified Korea.
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Postby CHUCK NORRlS » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:09 pm

Unification wouldn't be much plausible, also considering how one of the states (a North-based or South-based unified Korea) would have to care for a large amount of poverty.
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Postby Of Liberion » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:17 pm

North Korea has had its citizens under its heel for over 50 years there military will be the most problems there true fanatics. N Korean orphans as young as 4 are taking and trained to be robots for the north. The probs for pro democracy is that North Korea is ranked in the top 5 army's in the world last I herd. There all talk yes but we should not underestimate there zealous ness
If we had to go to war with them we may have firepower and tech on are side but the North Koreans would be like the Japanese in WW2 think that only with MILLIONS Of soldiers sure a lot might defect or run for the hills but it's North Koreans special forces that are going to be trouble some say that force alone is in the 600 thousand and there the hard core soldiers. One way would be to utterly destroy any and all North Korean army's that don't surrender or defect, and take all land marks and propaganda from the north. The civvies would might not be to hard think bout it once they see the truth and experience modern ways of life we'll come on :roll:
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Postby Of Liberion » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:20 pm

North Korea is probably the poorest nation in the world but in a humanitarian view point the world bank might ignore the debt problems North Korea has so it would be easier to rebuild the northern half of the nation

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Postby Estenia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:20 pm

Of Liberion wrote:North Korea has had its citizens under its heel for over 50 years there military will be the most problems there true fanatics. H Korean orphans as young as 4 are taking and trained to be robots for the north. The probs for pro democracy is that North Korea is ranked in the top 5 army's in the world last I herd. There all talk yes but we should not underestimate there zealous ness
If we had to go to war with them we may have firepower and tech on are side but the North Koreans would be like the Japanese in WW2 think that only with MILLIONS Of soldiers sure a lot might defect or run for the hills but it's North Koreans special forces that are going to be trouble some say that force alone is in the 600 thousand and there the hard core soldiers. The only way would be to utterly destroy any and all North Korean soldiers that don't surrender or defect, and take all land marks and propaganda from the north. The civvies would not be to hard maybe think bout it once they see the truth and experience modern ways of life we'll come on :roll:

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Postby CHUCK NORRlS » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:22 pm

Estenia wrote:The number of soldier has no matter on wars. That is skill, how lucky and brave the soldiers are.

I'm sure that morale is also important in determining which Korea or side would advance.
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Postby Roisylvania » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:25 pm

Obviously it would be better united under Southern style government than the pseudo-communist totalitarian dynastic regime in the North, but combining them would more than likely cause more problems than solve.

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Postby Giliberafta » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:27 pm

Sooner or later, someone is going to make a Kim Jong Il joke.

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Postby Valkalan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:28 pm

I'm not sure South Korea is even interested in retaking the north. As you can see, it would require vast financial input to bring North Korean infrastructure up to par. Consider the fact that East Germany was one of the better maintained communist nations. North Korea is far more decrepit.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:29 pm

Glorious North Korea must invade the South!

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Postby Of Liberion » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:32 pm

Valkalan wrote:I'm not sure South Korea is even interested in retaking the north. As you can see, it would require vast financial input to bring North Korean infrastructure up to par. Consider the fact that East Germany was one of the better maintained communist nations. North Korea is far more decrepit.



True but we have yet to mention all of the NATO/ UN nations that will pledge and support a rebuilding of Korea the United states of America will obviously be the biggest suporter,

But the only problem would be China DUN DUN DUN. Russia? God knows!

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Postby Valkalan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:44 pm

Of Liberion wrote:
Valkalan wrote:I'm not sure South Korea is even interested in retaking the north. As you can see, it would require vast financial input to bring North Korean infrastructure up to par. Consider the fact that East Germany was one of the better maintained communist nations. North Korea is far more decrepit.



True but we have yet to mention all of the NATO/ UN nations that will pledge and support a rebuilding of Korea the United states of America will obviously be the biggest suporter,

But the only problem would be China DUN DUN DUN. Russia? God knows!

China has already stated that it wouldn't mind Korean unification under the South. Of course, was China was not yet a nuclear power at the time of the Korean War. It is unlikely that Russia will offer any significant resistance. Please see these notes.

Such an endeavor as the will test the generosity of the international community. As the link in my previous post stated, over two decades the cost of rebuilding East Germany was over 2 trillion euros. North Korea is even more backward than East Germany therefore we can expect even greater costs.
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Postby Roisylvania » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:44 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:Glorious North Korea must invade the South!

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And get skunked before they reach Chuncheon.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:44 pm

Estenia wrote:
Of Liberion wrote:North Korea has had its citizens under its heel for over 50 years there military will be the most problems there true fanatics. H Korean orphans as young as 4 are taking and trained to be robots for the north. The probs for pro democracy is that North Korea is ranked in the top 5 army's in the world last I herd. There all talk yes but we should not underestimate there zealous ness
If we had to go to war with them we may have firepower and tech on are side but the North Koreans would be like the Japanese in WW2 think that only with MILLIONS Of soldiers sure a lot might defect or run for the hills but it's North Koreans special forces that are going to be trouble some say that force alone is in the 600 thousand and there the hard core soldiers. The only way would be to utterly destroy any and all North Korean soldiers that don't surrender or defect, and take all land marks and propaganda from the north. The civvies would not be to hard maybe think bout it once they see the truth and experience modern ways of life we'll come on :roll:

The number of soldier has no matter on wars. That is skill, how lucky and brave the soldiers are.

Actually, all other things being equal, the army with massively superior numbers will usually crush the army reliant on bravery.

Fortunately air superiority is better then both.
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Postby Hladgos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:47 pm

A unified Korean peninsula is impossible at this state. The only 'unification' that could take place would be the destruction of the north and south Koreans moving into the new land, which probably wouldn't even be possible because China would want the land, anyway. The implications are too complex to fully understand anyway, at least for me.
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