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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:50 am

One day, you're on a thread on NS. The topic is glowing bright and smooth. The discussion is lively and everything is fine. Then, you and your group of debating pals get sidetracked into a discussion, say about socialised medicine. Then you get sidetracked again, and now you're discussing regulations. The thread gets locked, everyone's unhappy and the debate ends.

This will no longer be the case. I present to you, the first entirely Econ devouted thread on the entirety of General.

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For all people and all economic persuasions, Keynesians, Monetarists, Austrians, Socialists, Communists, Libertarians, Supply Siders, Marxists, Classical Liberals, Neo-Liberals, Syndicalists, Anarchists, and all things in between.

Keep the discussion between you and the other poster on economics of any kind, and you're good. Don't spam, flame, troll, or anything against the rules (obviously).

What's my economic views, you ask? Well, I consider myself primarily a Post Keynesian, taking views from the main economic schools and incorporating them into my general philosophy. I am usually centrist in economic matters, and while I don't really agree with Libertarians, I do find a few of their ideas intriguing.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:51 am

Looks like you beat Ark to it. :p

In a more serious note, I'm a smaller-government capitalist.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:55 am

Murkwood wrote:Looks like you beat Ark to it. :p

In a more serious note, I'm a smaller-government capitalist.

I'm curious, would you support a healthcare system similar to the system in Japan?

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:59 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Looks like you beat Ark to it. :p

In a more serious note, I'm a smaller-government capitalist.

I'm curious, would you support a healthcare system similar to the system in Japan?

It's an interesting idea, but it has many flaws, most notably being the part about the hospitals.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:02 am

Murkwood wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I'm curious, would you support a healthcare system similar to the system in Japan?

It's an interesting idea, but it has many flaws, most notably being the part about the hospitals.

But non-profit hospitals run by physicians make sense, the physicians are still paid highly and are not under pressure from private interests to deliver a profit.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:02 am

Bojikami wrote:I'm a democratic communist.

That sounds like an oxymoron.
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Postby Benian Republic » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:03 am

Murkwood wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I'm a democratic communist.

That sounds like an oxymoron.

I'm a liberal nationalist and that also sounds like an oxymoron but it works
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:04 am

Murkwood wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I'm a democratic communist.

That sounds like an oxymoron.

Communism is meant to be a classless, free, moneyless utopia on a post scarcity world.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:04 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Murkwood wrote:That sounds like an oxymoron.

Communism is meant to be a classless, free, moneyless utopia on a post scarcity world.

How can a system like that be democratic?
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:04 am

Murkwood wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I'm a democratic communist.

That sounds like an oxymoron.

Not at all actually. Communism is an economic ideology, and despite what happened in the last century it does not at all imply there has to be a dictatorship.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:05 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Murkwood wrote:It's an interesting idea, but it has many flaws, most notably being the part about the hospitals.

But non-profit hospitals run by physicians make sense, the physicians are still paid highly and are not under pressure from private interests to deliver a profit.

Indeed, it actually makes more sense for quality of care.
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:06 am

Murkwood wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Communism is meant to be a classless, free, moneyless utopia on a post scarcity world.

How can a system like that be democratic?

Um, Communist economics, democratic government? Rosa Luxemburg kind of made a whole thing based around it.
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Postby Benian Republic » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:06 am

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:07 am

Bojikami wrote:
Murkwood wrote:That sounds like an oxymoron.

Not at all actually. Communism is an economic ideology, and despite what happened in the last century it does not at all imply there has to be a dictatorship.

The problem is that democracy will tend to favor some mixed economics whether it's a Social Democrat or a nearly full-capitalist system like the US. That's a whole different thread as to why the voters don't go full socialist/communist or full capitalist.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:07 am

Murkwood wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Communism is meant to be a classless, free, moneyless utopia on a post scarcity world.

How can a system like that be democratic?

Like anarchism, it depends on consensus.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:08 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Not at all actually. Communism is an economic ideology, and despite what happened in the last century it does not at all imply there has to be a dictatorship.

The problem is that democracy will tend to favor some mixed economics whether it's a Social Democrat or a nearly full-capitalist system like the US. That's a whole different thread as to why the voters don't go full socialist/communist or full capitalist.

Never go full Communist.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:08 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Murkwood wrote:How can a system like that be democratic?

Like anarchism, it depends on consensus.

Anarchism can't be democratic.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:09 am

I'd call myself an "empirical Austrian", and I'm a supply-sider on monetary policy.

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Postby Benian Republic » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:09 am

Benian Republic wrote:Who else here is a liberal nationalist I can't be alone :(
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:11 am

Kelinfort wrote:What's my economic views, you ask? Well, I consider myself a Keynesian, usually centrist in economic matters,

Really? I thought you'd be generally opposed to cutting taxes for higher incomes groups.

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:11 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What's my economic views, you ask? Well, I consider myself a Keynesian, usually centrist in economic matters,

Really? I thought you'd be generally opposed to cutting taxes for higher incomes groups.

Not if it has a proper incentive or the tax burden is too high.

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