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Is society too hard on marriage cheaters?

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:45 am

Whenever I hear some news/rumours/allegations from a friend or family about So and So cheating on their wife, I'm always surprised at the overwhelmingly cold, dismissive, highly judgemental, and repulsed attitudes of the whisperers.

People's need/wants to satisfy one's cravings don't automatically stop because they've said some words at some marriage ceremony. We are all humans and at some point for those of us who are married, things in the marriage will turn to shit and/or your spouse will stop being interesting/appealing in the bedroom. We all need to blow off some steam.

People who stay loyal to their spouse are often so quick to feel morally superior to cheaters but I suspect that every person has his/her price. It's just that for some people it may be a bit higher.

After all, most if not all people end up marrying a person they find to be less than absolutely number one on their Sexiest Person list. Even when they are saying those fatalistic words in that church, no doubt both parties secretly or openly have celebrity crushes they find hotter than the person they are wedding.

Imagine if years later that celebrity shows up at the right time and takes an interest. I think when that happens pretty much everyone would cheat. Thankfully though, most of us only get close to a few people of the interested gender in our lives. But IF we are faced with sufficient temptation... I think at that point anyone would cheat.

Cheating is human right?

Do you think society's too harsh and hypocritical towards cheaters? I think so.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:49 am

No, marriage is an agreement for a male and a female to stay together and NOT cheat. If you cheat, then monogamous relationships are not for you, if you don't ask for the right to date more than one partner or to have an open marriage, then it's your own fault. Your hipster powers have no sway over me.
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Postby Aethrys » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:52 am

While it is true that in the grand scheme of things cult ceremonies are on the whole irrelevant, there is some justification for the scorned party when they find out that their "One and only true love" has been exploring their options behind their back. An argument could be made that social expectations regarding monogamy make admitting such desires difficult, but the fact remains that the cheater is promising one thing and doing another (or several others) entirely, and is therefore not entirely without guilt.
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Postby Couasia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:53 am

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Postby SuperFruitland » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:53 am

Society is harsh on cheaters for a good reason. If you make a vow of whatever to stay loyal to your partner, then you should either follow that or get a divorce.

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Postby Vekalse » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:54 am

What kind of thread is this? Of course, it's horrible...
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:56 am

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Postby Couasia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:57 am

Elaborating: As someone whose parents' marriage was very nearly destroyed because of my father cheating on my mother, and as someone who was frequently caught in the crossfire, this thread's OP is disgusting and hurtful not only to me, but to my parents, and anyone who has been in a similar situation.

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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:00 am

If you don't want to be in a monogamous relationship then don't be in a fucking monogamous relationship. Cheating can rarely be justified.
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Postby Padelas » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:00 am

Couasia wrote:Elaborating: As someone whose parents' marriage was very nearly destroyed because of my father cheating on my mother, and as someone who was frequently caught in the crossfire, this thread's OP is disgusting and hurtful not only to me, but to my parents, and anyone who has been in a similar situation.

This. Couldn't have explained it better myself.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:01 am

…Whatever. I mean, I don't exactly want one of our elected officials to be banging the nanny, so to speak, but I couldn't care less what most people do in the bedroom. How you judge them is up to you.

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Postby Nekronia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:03 am

It's lying. Oath-breaking and lying to people who are close to you is not going to exactly make everyone like you, even if they would be tempted just as easily. You have an agreement to be together. Unless consent is given to pursue other interests (such as an open marriage), it's going to be viewed as backstabbing. If following the rules of marriage is too tough, file for divorce and/or just stick with open relationships or a lack of formal/stable relationships outright. I'm not saying adultery should be illegal or anything, I'm just saying that "don't cheat" is under the agreement and that was violated, so I'd view it as justified to not approve of the lying.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:03 am

Couasia wrote:Elaborating: As someone whose parents' marriage was very nearly destroyed because of my father cheating on my mother, and as someone who was frequently caught in the crossfire, this thread's OP is disgusting and hurtful not only to me, but to my parents, and anyone who has been in a similar situation.

Sounds like the OP is getting a little something on the side. *cough cough*
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Postby Garwall » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:04 am

Looking at marriage cheating from an entirely objective viewpoint, a marriage is a contract (at its heart) between two individuals to remain together as a unit for emotional/financial/social support where both parties pledge to maintain the relationship and remain faithful to that relationship. Deviating from said contract by breaching the relationship's code by "cheating" is breaching your end of the contract, and is thus a sign of unfaithfulness. People who are unfaithful to their contracts are not to be trusted in society, because without the ability to put faith in to, and rely on, another human being then organized society cannot function.

So objectively, marriage cheaters commit pretty offensive crimes to organized society. I'd say society is justified in their treatment of people such as marriage cheaters.

Also, the OP seems to take the point that satisfying cravings for sexual intimacy with those you are sexually attracted to is "human" insofar that "human" desires are instinctual. It must be noted that organized society relies on the rule of law that is constructed to regulate human instinct and change human behavior to allow for better lives. Humans don't normally grow food exclusively for other people to consume, but allowing such acts to happen (as it does today) allows other humans to do other jobs that produce goods for everyone to use and improve their lives with.
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Postby James Deans » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:08 am

Socialist Tera wrote:No, marriage is an agreement for a male and a female to stay together and NOT cheat. If you cheat, then monogamous relationships are not for you, if you don't ask for the right to date more than one partner or to have an open marriage, then it's your own fault. Your hipster powers have no sway over me.

Fuck yes! Who breaks a fucking contract?

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:55 am

...No, if someone's made a commitment to a monogamous relationship, it's not at all hypocritical or "too harsh" to call them out on voluntarily breaking it.

Involuntarily perhaps, but I doubt it's very common to involuntarily cheat without it being rape, at which point it would be outright victim blaming.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:55 am

No, society isn't too hard on marriage cheaters. If you promise to be committed to the other person, cheating is a pretty big betrayal, and it shows that the cheater is untrustworthy.

If someone can't control him/herself, he/she should stay out of a monogamous relationship.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:57 am

I can say as a married man that cheaters disgust me. If you make an agreement with another person to be exclusively intimate with them, you damn well do it. Fuck that noise about "Desire" or "needs". If you "need" to get some strange that badly, maybe a monogamous relationship isn't for you and you should have some respect for the other person and break it off.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:59 am

SuperFruitLand wrote:Society is harsh on cheaters for a good reason. If you make a vow of whatever to stay loyal to your partner, then you should either follow that or get a divorce.


Or not get married at all. That might be a good thing to do.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:00 am

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
SuperFruitLand wrote:Society is harsh on cheaters for a good reason. If you make a vow of whatever to stay loyal to your partner, then you should either follow that or get a divorce.


Or not get married at all. That might be a good thing to do.

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Postby Kiribati-Tarawa » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:00 am

Socialist Tera wrote:No, marriage is an agreement for a male and a female to stay together and NOT cheat. If you cheat, then monogamous relationships are not for you, if you don't ask for the right to date more than one partner or to have an open marriage, then it's your own fault. Your hipster powers have no sway over me.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:01 am

Scomagia wrote:I can say as a married man that cheaters disgust me. If you make an agreement with another person to be exclusively intimate with them, you damn well do it. Fuck that noise about "Desire" or "needs". If you "need" to get some strange that badly, maybe a monogamous relationship isn't for you and you should have some respect for the other person and break it off.


What if you didn't know it wasn't for you at the time you married?

I mean, everyone changes right? Think back to You 7 years ago for example. A lot of your want and needs, personality aspects, circumstances change dramatically yeah?

No one ever has 100% knowledge or even close to that about their self control years down the road.
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Postby Lalaki » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:02 am

Some people want to live lives where they are not bound to one partner. I am not one of them, but who am I to judge? However, they should not get married until they are ready for monogamy. Marriage is a sacred bond between two people in which they agree to spend the rest of their lives together. Faithful.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:02 am

If you make a vow to stay loyal to your partner and they do as well, you cheat on them while they remain faithful? It's betrayal. It's one thing if you two have an open relationship and both sleep with others, but you cannot blatantly betray your partner without expecting backlash.

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