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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:21 pm

A man in Florida is being criticized for deliberately ending a "Pay it Forward" line at a local Starbuck's.

Florida Man Deliberately Scuttles 'Pay It Forward' Starbucks Line
By YAZHOU SUN 2 hours ago Good Morning America

A Florida man put an end to a “pay it forward” streak at a local Starbucks because he said he thinks people were participating out of “guilt,” not “generosity.”

Peter Schorsch, a blogger, drove to the Starbucks drive-thru in St. Petersburg, Florida, on Thursday after hearing about the pay it forward phenomenon there that ended with customer No. 458. After he ordered two Venti Mocha Frappuccinos, the barista told him his first drink had been paid for by the previous customer and asked if he would like to pay for the next customer.

“I told him no,” Schorsch, of St. Petersburg, told ABC News. “When the barista asks you to pay it forward, it is no longer spontaneous.”

Though Schorsch didn't pay for the next customer at the drive-thru, he said he tipped the barista $100.

“I’m really not trying to be a Grinch,” Schorsch said. “I know things are hard for baristas and I am willing to help people.”

“I just don’t want to be forced into doing something,” said Schorsch, who is also a part-time political consultant. “This is turning into a social phenomenon and I had to put an end to it.”

When baristas ask customers to pay for the next customer, some patrons simply oblige out of guilt, not generosity, he said.

“Although I can’t prove it, I think this has become an organic marketing ploy for Starbucks,” Schorsch said. “I love Starbucks. I have nothing against them. But this takes away the genuineness.”

Schorsch said some patrons are driving to this particular store after they heard about the pay it forward streak.

“This is turning into something ridiculous and cheesy,” Schorsch said.

“It just seems like a First World problem to me. Middle-class people sitting in their cars at a drive-thru, sipping a $5 drink and worry about someone breaking the ranks,” Schorsch said.

“There is a little humor being a contrarian, but I think if you really want to help, find someone that obviously needs help, like the homeless,” Schorsch said.

"Also, I got a $6 Venti Frappuccino. Someone might just get a $2 coffee," Schorsch said. "This is unfair to that person who paid for me."

An employee at this Starbucks location referred ABC News to the company’s corporate media relations hotline this morning.

Linda Mills, Starbucks’ spokeswoman, did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for a comment.

This store’s pay it forward chain lasted for 10 hours on Wednesday, with 457 customers following the practice, until customer No. 458 refused.


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IMO, this guy was being more than a little dickish. It says in the article that he went to the Starbucks in question after hearing about the "Pay it Forward" line; which implies that he went there specifically to end it, rather than being confronted with an unexpected line and simply refusing once there to go along. It implies he sought out that particular Starbuck's (one assumes there are more than one in the Tampa- St. Petersburg area) which may or may not have been the closest one to him (it doesn't say in the article). He claims he did it because "he said he thinks people were participating out of 'guilt,' not 'generosity.'", but how would he know why others were doing it? And even if he were right, wouldn't that be for them do live with, not him? I rather strongly suspect that this smacks of a publicity stunt on his part, but TBH, there's no direct proof of that. So, what says NSG? Was he right to do this?
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:26 pm

Your only source is Yahoo. Besides, this occur all across the world whenever these things occur: since at some point, the line ends and someone either can't afford to pay or behaves like him.

So yeah, it's not really newsworthy.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:27 pm

A wanker who wishes he had more attention. Wishes he was more then he is.

His pathetic existence will be forgotten when this story is forgotten.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:28 pm

I agree that going there to deliberately end the streak is dickish. I suppose that if my coffee was paid for by the person ahead of me, I might be willing to pay for the coffee of the next person in line, to the amount I was going to pay to begin with. I do question the appropriateness of this in a coffee shop, though. There are better ways to benefit one's fellow humans than to buy them caffeine, after all. Do something good for a person in need and encourage them to pay it forward when they can.

And the original idea in the novel and movie was doing something good for someone that they can't do for themselves. I daresay the people in line at Starbucks can afford the coffee.
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:29 pm

you know there's not much to say really...

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Postby Sunarctica » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:31 pm

Why is this in the news? I mean honestly, this isn't exactly newsworthy.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:32 pm

"I'm not trying to be a grinch,"


Ahahaha...AHAHAHAHAAH. No, the blogger defiantly is. Ever heard of being kind? I mean, his drink was paid for. I don't think paying a little sum of money for the next driver is going to hurt.

I'm guessing this is rather just an attempt to get his name some attention, which will last for a whole five seconds. Or he genuinely thinks he's doing something right when in reality he is just being a fun-killer that that's too cool to participate.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:33 pm

It does seem cheesy.

There must be better ways to be charitable.
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:34 pm

Farnhamia wrote:I agree that going there to deliberately end the streak is dickish. I suppose that if my coffee was paid for by the person ahead of me, I might be willing to pay for the coffee of the next person in line, to the amount I was going to pay to begin with. I do question the appropriateness of this in a coffee shop, though. There are better ways to benefit one's fellow humans than to buy them caffeine, after all. Do something good for a person in need and encourage them to pay it forward when they can.



A good point, Farn. Perhaps it would have been better if Starbuck's hadn't been encouraging their customers to do it; considering how much money they have themselves. But still, to seek it out with the intention of ending it was uncalled-for in my opinion.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:34 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
"I'm not trying to be a grinch,"


Ahahaha...AHAHAHAHAAH. No, the blogger defiantly is. Ever heard of being kind? I mean, his drink was paid for. I don't think paying a little sum of money for the next driver is going to hurt.

I'm guessing this is rather just an attempt to get his name some attention, which will last for a whole five seconds. Or he genuinely thinks he's doing something right when in reality he is just being a fun-killer that that's too cool to participate.

He's definitely a grinch but really, charitable works in Starbucks? Surely people can find better ways to "pay it forward."
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:35 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I agree that going there to deliberately end the streak is dickish. I suppose that if my coffee was paid for by the person ahead of me, I might be willing to pay for the coffee of the next person in line, to the amount I was going to pay to begin with. I do question the appropriateness of this in a coffee shop, though. There are better ways to benefit one's fellow humans than to buy them caffeine, after all. Do something good for a person in need and encourage them to pay it forward when they can.



A good point, Farn. Perhaps it would have been better if Starbuck's hadn't been encouraging their customers to do it; considering how much money they have themselves. But still, to seek it out with the intention of ending it was uncalled-for in my opinion.

I agree about the guy being a prat, yes.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:36 pm

He's not a grinch because he's tipped the barista $100. It's clearly not an issue of being stingy.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Ahahaha...AHAHAHAHAAH. No, the blogger defiantly is. Ever heard of being kind? I mean, his drink was paid for. I don't think paying a little sum of money for the next driver is going to hurt.

I'm guessing this is rather just an attempt to get his name some attention, which will last for a whole five seconds. Or he genuinely thinks he's doing something right when in reality he is just being a fun-killer that that's too cool to participate.

He's definitely a grinch but really, charitable works in Starbucks? Surely people can find better ways to "pay it forward."


Of course.

Though it's just being a buzzkill to go there to end it. Sure, you can spend money for more charitable things, but it's just a nice thing to do.
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:37 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:1) Try to be noticed by others by doing something annoying, yet not totally despicable.
2) Get reported by internet news.
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Touché.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:37 pm

Meh. Most people wouldn't even tip the server. Especially if they refused to pay forward. Granted, if there's nobody behind them then most people won't, and who can blame them, but it's just common courtesy if somebody paid forward for you.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:37 pm

He has a point. If the Barista is asking you to pay it forward, it stops being something out of generosity and starts being something done because you feel like you have to. It's not really generosity anymore.

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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:39 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:He has a point. If the Barista is asking you to pay it forward, it stops being something out of generosity and starts being something done because you feel like you have to. It's not really generosity anymore.



But why seek it out, as he did? Who is he to determine that for others?
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:39 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:1) Try to be noticed by others by doing something annoying, yet not totally despicable.
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it's a man in florida, it's literally the dumbest thing that has came out of online news. Hell "Florida man" has it's own reddit.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:42 pm

Allanea wrote:He's not a grinch because he's tipped the barista $100. It's clearly not an issue of being stingy.


Well? He claims he did.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:43 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:He has a point. If the Barista is asking you to pay it forward, it stops being something out of generosity and starts being something done because you feel like you have to. It's not really generosity anymore.



But why seek it out, as he did? Who is he to determine that for others?

Seek out what? He just didn't want to pay extra.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:44 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:He's definitely a grinch but really, charitable works in Starbucks? Surely people can find better ways to "pay it forward."


Of course.

Though it's just being a buzzkill to go there to end it. Sure, you can spend money for more charitable things, but it's just a nice thing to do.

Yes, it's a nice thing to do but when it becomes a tacit store policy - I imagine the request is accompanied by a look that says "And you're an asshole if you say no" - it's too much. Catherine Ryan Hyde's novel and the movie made of it envisioned "Pay It Forward" as actually helping people, not encouraging hipster back-patting.

I need to stay away from this thread. *looks coldly at Maineiacs and makes a note on a hand-held device*
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Postby Lordieth » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:44 pm

Allanea wrote:He's not a grinch because he's tipped the barista $100. It's clearly not an issue of being stingy.


No, he did it to prove a point at other peoples' expense. That makes him a dick.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:44 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:

But why seek it out, as he did? Who is he to determine that for others?

Seek out what? He just didn't want to pay extra.


He intentionally drove to it to be an ass.

It would be one thing, if he happened to be in the line......
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Postby Vozt Yurkova » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:45 pm

I don't really get it. If someone buys you a coffee and you then buy somebody else a coffee you're effectively buying your own coffee. I don't get what's charitable about giving money to Starbucks in someone else's stead. It's false charity to allow people to pat themselves on the back for paying to drink a Starbucks.
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