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Is the afterlife dystopia?

Postby Gandorra (Ancient) » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:15 pm

I strongly feel like the religious concept of the afterlife especially in Christianity is a dystopia. So dystopia is our only choice as it looks whether we live to see the technological singularity or die. struggle and no work = dystopia. Also the afterlife means a lifted state of mind, meaning it excludes human sexuality and hunger, and that stuff.

Excuse my ignorance of non-Abrahamic religions, but what are the different ideas of afterlife for NSG? Also, what's your utopia or dystopia like? I was raised by Catholic parents and went to church.

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Postby Othelos » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:16 pm

I was taught that the majority if the time in heaven would be spent worshiping God. Sounds kind of boring, honestly.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:17 pm

Gandorra wrote:I strongly feel like the religious concept of the afterlife especially in Christianity is a dystopia. So dystopia is our only choice as it looks whether we live to see the technological singularity or die. struggle and no work = dystopia. Also the afterlife means a lifted state of mind, meaning it excludes human sexuality and hunger, and that stuff.

Excuse my ignorance of non-Abrahamic religions, but what are the different ideas of afterlife for NSG? Also, what's your utopia or dystopia like? I was raised by Catholic parents and went to church.

Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
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Postby Olavoland » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:17 pm

It depends on what kind of afterlife you believe in.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Gandorra wrote:I strongly feel like the religious concept of the afterlife especially in Christianity is a dystopia. So dystopia is our only choice as it looks whether we live to see the technological singularity or die. struggle and no work = dystopia. Also the afterlife means a lifted state of mind, meaning it excludes human sexuality and hunger, and that stuff.

Excuse my ignorance of non-Abrahamic religions, but what are the different ideas of afterlife for NSG? Also, what's your utopia or dystopia like? I was raised by Catholic parents and went to church.

Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

What if the company was in Heaven?

Then what would you need Hell for?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Othelos wrote:I was taught that the majority if the time in heaven would be spent worshiping God. Sounds kind of boring, honestly.

From which part?
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Gandorra wrote:I strongly feel like the religious concept of the afterlife especially in Christianity is a dystopia. So dystopia is our only choice as it looks whether we live to see the technological singularity or die. struggle and no work = dystopia. Also the afterlife means a lifted state of mind, meaning it excludes human sexuality and hunger, and that stuff.

Excuse my ignorance of non-Abrahamic religions, but what are the different ideas of afterlife for NSG? Also, what's your utopia or dystopia like? I was raised by Catholic parents and went to church.

Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

Saul Alinsky also has an interesting, and somewhat compelling take.

ALINSKY: ... if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:21 pm

Heaven is paradise, hell is fire and darkness.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:21 pm

There is a good possibility that if one were to exist, it could be very dystopian. Just like God is "all-loving", but lead the Jews in genocide against the Canaanites, Heaven could be "paradise" and name only.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:22 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:Heaven is paradise, hell is fire and darkness.


Good thing neither likely exist.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:22 pm

An eternity of stagnation and absence of struggle as envisioned by Christianity is an awful vision. Truly.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Benuty wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

What if the company was in Heaven?

Then what would you need Hell for?

You wouldn't but thinking about the people most likely to go to Heaven - admittedly by their own estimations - I wouldn't find them all that interesting.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Scomagia wrote:An eternity of stagnation and absence of struggle as envisioned by Christianity is an awful vision. Truly.

Yes, but you wouldn't notice, you'd be too caught up in the glorification of You-Know-Who.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Gandorra wrote:I strongly feel like the religious concept of the afterlife especially in Christianity is a dystopia. So dystopia is our only choice as it looks whether we live to see the technological singularity or die. struggle and no work = dystopia. Also the afterlife means a lifted state of mind, meaning it excludes human sexuality and hunger, and that stuff.

Excuse my ignorance of non-Abrahamic religions, but what are the different ideas of afterlife for NSG? Also, what's your utopia or dystopia like? I was raised by Catholic parents and went to church.

Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

If you think the idea of Heaven is merely boring you aren't looking at it hard enough.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Benuty wrote:What if the company was in Heaven?

Then what would you need Hell for?

You wouldn't but thinking about the people most likely to go to Heaven - admittedly by their own estimations - I wouldn't find them all that interesting.

Given Darwin, Carl Sagan, and Christopher Hitchens are there I most certainly would.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sorry, how is the good side of the afterlife dystopia? Hell is hell, to be sure, but Heaven sounds fine. Boring, but fine. As Mr. Clemens said, Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

If you think the idea of Heaven is merely boring you aren't looking at it hard enough.

Maybe but you seem to forget that the people in Heaven want to be there.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:29 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:Heaven is paradise, hell is fire and darkness.

Is Alighieri your teacher in religious studies class or something?
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The New Sea Territory wrote:There is a good possibility that if one were to exist, it could be very dystopian. Just like God is "all-loving", but lead the Jews in genocide against the Canaanites, Heaven could be "paradise" and name only.

Le non, that would be Joshua, and thus the responsive trolling by other Semitic armies for decades to come.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:Heaven is paradise, hell is fire and darkness.

Is Alighieri your teacher in religious studies class or something?

Signore Dante's hell is not all darkness and fire. There's shit and mud and cloaks of lead and ice, too.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:31 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Is Alighieri your teacher in religious studies class or something?

Signore Dante's hell is not all darkness and fire. There's shit and mud and cloaks of lead and ice, too.

Just do not get lost in the woods of suicide. I hear the lake of blood is nice to visit this time of year.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:32 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Is Alighieri your teacher in religious studies class or something?

Signore Dante's hell is not all darkness and fire. There's shit and mud and cloaks of lead and ice, too.

Sounds like a typical Saturday night.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:34 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Signore Dante's hell is not all darkness and fire. There's shit and mud and cloaks of lead and ice, too.

Sounds like a typical Saturday night.

With Demons, and tormented souls instead of teenagers :P oh what fun.
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:35 pm

Meh, don't believe in an afterlife.
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