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Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:10 pm

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/10/cops-shoot-teen.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-rioting-looting-erupts-after-peaceful-vigil-1.2732591
Rioting and looting erupted in Ferguson, Missouri, late on Sunday as protests over the killing of a black teenager by a police officer turned violent, law enforcement officials and media reports said. Crowds broke the windows of cars and stores following a day of demonstrations over the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old shot dead on Saturday by a Ferguson police officer.

"We are currently experiencing a riot," a Ferguson police dispatcher said.

About 150 officers in riot gear from throughout St. Louis County, along with canine units, were sent to the area, a dispatcher for the St. Louis County Police Department said.

There was no immediate word on injuries.

Police said Brown was shot after a struggle over a gun in a police car. It was not immediately clear why Brown as in the car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car.



So, NSG, your thoughts on this? Personally, I think we need more details before we can make a judgement on the shooting, though it's despicable that they left his body lying there for 4 hours after he was killed. As for the riots, do you think they will escalate further, or die down soon? Will this be another nationwide debate, like the death of Trayvon Martin?

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Postby Other Thafoo » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:13 pm

good job on being proactive and creating the thread, proud of you

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:13 pm

Other Thafoo wrote:good job on being proactive and creating the thread, proud of you

Yay me. :p

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:15 pm

I think tomorrow morning a call is warranted to my brother-in-law. He lives in St. Louis.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:17 pm

Yep, some reports about officers being shot at, bunch of robberies and store lootings.

"Hey guys, I know how we can deal with a perceived racial issue, let's burn down our own people's businesses!"
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:19 pm

That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

Indeed, it's the product of police brutality.
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Postby Ancient Magmia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:21 pm

Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

And for some reason, police brutality isn't being talked about at all in Washington. I don't get it. Why the resistance to discussing an important issue?

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Postby -Arabiyah- » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:23 pm

This is a tragedy I hope the Shaheedah(Martyrdom) of this teen may be taken by Allah(SWT) this isn't riot worthy though
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:24 pm

Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:25 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.


Then we need more information before we can pass some sort of judgment on this.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:25 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

And for some reason, police brutality isn't being talked about at all in Washington. I don't get it. Why the resistance to discussing an important issue?


Why would DC want to discuss anything important?
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Neutraligon wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And for some reason, police brutality isn't being talked about at all in Washington. I don't get it. Why the resistance to discussing an important issue?


Why would DC want to discuss anything important?

Touché.

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Saruhan wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's sad. I think it's a bit preemptive to reach conclusions about the teen being killed. But, I will say that this is a natural result of people being tired of police brutality in general, and this demonstrates that it's something that needs to be addressed. I don't condone the rioting either.

If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.

Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.
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Neutraligon wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And for some reason, police brutality isn't being talked about at all in Washington. I don't get it. Why the resistance to discussing an important issue?


Why would DC want to discuss anything important?

Ah, nope... they don't give a rat's tail about it!
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Saruhan wrote:If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.


Then we need more information before we can pass some sort of judgment on this.

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That's quite a lot of information, and from the source, too.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:30 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Saruhan wrote:If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.

Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.

Sort of reminds you of the 2011 England riots.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:31 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Saruhan wrote:If you look at the twitter feeds of people involved in this (what a time to be alive) it's easily apparent this isn't about police brutality, but about stealing shit. Or about beating on white people.

Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.


I will say the same thing I say about the riots I saw in response to drawing of Muhammad in the middle East. Riots will only make people distrust you more, refuse to listen to you, and possibly turn against you. It is among the worst ways to respond to something as the riot itself becomes the issue, rather than the issue that caused the riot.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:32 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Then we need more information before we can pass some sort of judgment on this.

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That's quite a lot of information, and from the source, too.


I'm mostly talking about the death of the teenager, which seems to have been used as an excuse to loot...
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Merizoc wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.

Sort of reminds you of the 2011 England riots.

There will always be people who latch on to legitimate concerns and use them as an excuse to do bad shit.
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Neutraligon wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.


I will say the same thing I say about the riots I saw in response to drawing of Muhammad in the middle East. Riots will only make people distrust you more, refuse to listen to you, and possibly turn against you. It is among the worst ways to respond to something as the riot itself becomes the issue, rather than the issue that caused the riot.

Pretty much this.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:36 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which is why I don't condone this. Riots like these BEGIN as strong reactions to issues that people want to be addressed but aren't. They then devolve into bigger problems like looting.

Sort of reminds you of the 2011 England riots.

Nah, England had less of a spark to it. I mean the dude had a machete. But yes because there's a riot it means that any concerns that come out of this are either going to be drown out by the noise of the looting, or because by taking up the cause, people can fling mud and say that their opponents support rioting and looting
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Sort of reminds you of the 2011 England riots.

There will always be people who latch on to legitimate concerns and use them as an excuse to do bad shit.


Even the most peaceful demonstrations will attract a nasty element looking to start something. When a demonstration starts in anger, it will often end in rioting.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:39 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There will always be people who latch on to legitimate concerns and use them as an excuse to do bad shit.


Even the most peaceful demonstrations will attract a nasty element looking to start something. When a demonstration starts in anger, it will often end in rioting.

The police had better be very careful how they handle this. They don't have a particularly good record and image right now.
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