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Postby The Peoples Federal Empire » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:44 pm

Alcohol is a wildly abused drug that is addictive and could lead to death. On the other hand, alcohol supports many economies, and without it, many nations could go into poverty? What do you think? Should alcohol be banned? Should it be limited? Should the WA do something about it? Leave your comments and ideas below! :bow:

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:46 pm

No to prohibition, tried it, didn't work, total waste of time and money.

The whole temperance movement that picked up steam after the civil war should have been nipped in the bud.

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Postby District XIV » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:49 pm

The Peoples Federal Empire wrote:Should the WA do something about it?

I'm sorry, but this is NSG. Asking questions in regard to things done or to be done by the WA do not belong here.

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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:50 pm

Booze is your friend.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:51 pm

I'm against it in both the WA and real life.
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Postby Intelectual Atheists » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:56 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but some time, soemone tried to ban achool, but it ended up worse than it started, people buying illegal achool more often than legal achool.
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Postby Chestaan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:58 pm

The Peoples Federal Empire wrote:Alcohol is a wildly abused drug that is addictive and could lead to death. On the other hand, alcohol supports many economies, and without it, many nations could go into poverty? What do you think? Should alcohol be banned? Should it be limited? Should the WA do something about it? Leave your comments and ideas below! :bow:


Key word is addictive. People are going to buy it if it's legal or not, because it's addictive, so why prohibit it?
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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:00 pm

Can we do the equivalent of what always happens in gun threads and start talking about our favorite mixed drinks? :p
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Postby Fireye » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:05 pm

Silent Majority wrote:Can we do the equivalent of what always happens in gun threads and start talking about our favorite mixed drinks? :p

And craft beers.
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Postby Alcase » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:07 pm

I'm against it.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:07 pm

Silent Majority wrote:Can we do the equivalent of what always happens in gun threads and start talking about our favorite mixed drinks? :p


I'll start mixing a drink right now.
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Postby Dragonia Re Xzua » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:12 pm

Prohibition of just about ANYTHING doesn't work in the long term. Here are just a few examples. Banning alcohol will simply make the creation of moonshine that much more urgent, with the only way to stop that from happening is to make everything too expensive to afford. Banning drugs will only open more opportunities for things called "smugglers" and "black markets" or will simply lead to the creation of homemade drugs, which sadly cannot be completely prevented. Banning guns will have similar effects to banning drugs; more opportunities for firearms smugglers and the black market to thrive. The only way to even come CLOSE to outright banning these things is to make America a surveillance camera-addicted, anti-privacy police state. As you can imagine, not that many people will be thrilled about living in a place like that.
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Postby Chestaan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:14 pm

Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Prohibition of just about ANYTHING doesn't work in the long term. Here are just a few examples. Banning alcohol will simply make the creation of moonshine that much more urgent, with the only way to stop that from happening is to make everything too expensive to afford. Banning drugs will only open more opportunities for things called "smugglers" and "black markets" or will simply lead to the creation of homemade drugs, which sadly cannot be completely prevented. Banning guns will have similar effects to banning drugs; more opportunities for firearms smugglers and the black market to thrive. The only way to even come CLOSE to outright banning these things is to make America a surveillance camera-addicted, anti-privacy police state. As you can imagine, not that many people will be thrilled about living in a place like that.


Actually banning guns will lead to a lower number of guns, because guns aren't addictive i.e their demand curve isn't as inelastic as drugs.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:15 pm

Chestaan wrote:
Dragonia Re Xzua wrote:Prohibition of just about ANYTHING doesn't work in the long term. Here are just a few examples. Banning alcohol will simply make the creation of moonshine that much more urgent, with the only way to stop that from happening is to make everything too expensive to afford. Banning drugs will only open more opportunities for things called "smugglers" and "black markets" or will simply lead to the creation of homemade drugs, which sadly cannot be completely prevented. Banning guns will have similar effects to banning drugs; more opportunities for firearms smugglers and the black market to thrive. The only way to even come CLOSE to outright banning these things is to make America a surveillance camera-addicted, anti-privacy police state. As you can imagine, not that many people will be thrilled about living in a place like that.


Actually banning guns will lead to a lower number of guns, because guns aren't addictive i.e their demand curve isn't as inelastic as drugs.


No, but guns will always have a demand.
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Postby Chestaan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:17 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
Actually banning guns will lead to a lower number of guns, because guns aren't addictive i.e their demand curve isn't as inelastic as drugs.


No, but guns will always have a demand.


Oh they certainly will, but a price rise, such as the additional costs incurred from smuggling, will have a much greater effect on demand for guns than it will have on drugs.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:19 pm

Prohibition was by far one of the stupidest decisions to ever hit the Americas. The Temperance campaigners thought they were going to liberate everyone, but instead they resulted in an ultra-powerful mafia whose effects are still being felt today. Hell, prohibition doesn't even work in Muslim countries, where it's actually believed to be proscribed by God. I mean, if even the Almighty can't get people to stop drinking, then how the Hell are we?
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:20 pm

Chestaan wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
No, but guns will always have a demand.


Oh they certainly will, but a price rise, such as the additional costs incurred from smuggling, will have a much greater effect on demand for guns than it will have on drugs.


Not really. In the end criminals will still have them, you will have only made them impossible for people without black market connections to get a hold of.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:21 pm

Because prohibition worked so well before, eh? We need to educate people on the dangers of alcohol, but we shouldn't prohibit them from using it.

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Postby Chestaan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:21 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
Oh they certainly will, but a price rise, such as the additional costs incurred from smuggling, will have a much greater effect on demand for guns than it will have on drugs.


Not really. In the end criminals will still have them, you will have only made them impossible for people without black market connections to get a hold of.


I'm not arguing for or against making guns illegal, I'm just pointing out that the demand curve for guns is more elastic than drugs.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:46 pm

Chestaan wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Not really. In the end criminals will still have them, you will have only made them impossible for people without black market connections to get a hold of.


I'm not arguing for or against making guns illegal, I'm just pointing out that the demand curve for guns is more elastic than drugs.


Although, if 3D printers become more common, this will stop being an issue.
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Postby Murkwood » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:47 pm

It's like Communism. People thought it was a good idea, it was tried, and it failed miserably, only benefiting crooked politicians. People who want it back don't seem to remember history.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:48 pm

Murkwood wrote:It's like Communism. People thought it was a good idea, it was tried, and it failed miserably, only benefiting crooked politicians.


And the Mafia, don't forget the mafia.
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Postby Murkwood » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:48 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Murkwood wrote:It's like Communism. People thought it was a good idea, it was tried, and it failed miserably, only benefiting crooked politicians.


And the Mafia, don't forget the mafia.

Did the Mafia benefit from Communism? :p
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:49 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
And the Mafia, don't forget the mafia.

Did the Mafia benefit from Communism? :p


The Russian Mob did.
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Postby Tule » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:50 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:No to prohibition, tried it, didn't work, total waste of time and money.

The whole temperance movement that picked up steam after the civil war should have been nipped in the bud.


Oh it, did work. It did exactly what is was supposed to do. It reduced alcohol related deaths, arrests and rates of drinking.

People just decided they wanted alcohol legalized again.
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