The Great Greysteel War (ALL GREYSTEEL AND INVITED, OOC)

[The Free Republic of Akan]

A Storm is Coming.

Ok, so this is the OOC thread of the planned Greysteel war which will change the region.

Here, make ideas, discuss, chat and talk about the RP in general. When the IC starts, talk about others posts and do OOC things.

Sides?:
Alex: Nero, Me
GVH: Zammora

[Alexiandra]

Thanks.

[Nerotysia]

To avoid future argument, I think we should perhaps post a total summary of our militaries here.

[Finium]

I think someone (me) suggested that each aside dropped down to two major allies. These war-blocs could interact with third parties, but the actual war between Diol and Alex would be limited to direct involvement from major allies

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'd say 2 allies from outside the region.

Because one of my allies would be Zammora (in the region) and one of Alex' allies would be Nerotysia (also in the region.) It would be totally ridiculous to imagine those 2 nations not getting involved.

[Sardian republic]

so how this even gonna start off territorial expansion ,Assassination, forced annexation, Invasion, Border dispute, ETC.

[Nerotysia]

I'd say 2 allies from outside the region.

Because one of my allies would be Zammora (in the region) and one of Alex' allies would be Nerotysia (also in the region.) It would be totally ridiculous to imagine those 2 nations not getting involved.

I could agree to this. Alex?

[Salzland]

In anticipation of Gothic and other pre-2005 nation involvement, upon being invited by Alex and in contemplation of Vakolicci's tradition of launching massed WMD first strikes, I have extended general invitations to all of Nova, all of Greater Dienstad, and additional specific invitations to (in no particular order) United States of PA, Falkasia, Santheres, Wagdog, Lamoni, Whiskeasy, Oseato and Yohannes.

I have no sympathy for anyone that has a problem with that. Don't flaunt Gothic involvement if you can't handle their involvement being taken seriously.

[Heiraeth]

As someone new to roleplaying, especially roleplaying wars, I'm unclear on how to attempt to protect my nation.

I realize there are no set-in-stone rules involved besides common sense and good roleplay, but I assume there must be some guidelines involved.

All I've pieced together so far is that armies should (depending on who is talking) be from .1% to 5% of one's population, and you can "purchase" Modern Technology military equipment from Lyran Arms and Royal Beaufort based on your defense budget on NS Economy

The two most important things I don't understand are:

How the outcomes of a conflict are determined when the only hard numbers available are quite abstact and
How I should best "spend" my defense budget if I'm interested solely in defense

If anyone could give me a quick rundown on some of this, I would be really grateful.

[Finium]

In anticipation of Gothic and other pre-2005 nation involvement, upon being invited by Alex and in contemplation of Vakolicci's tradition of launching massed WMD first strikes, I have extended general invitations to all of Nova, all of Greater Dienstad, and additional specific invitations to (in no particular order) United States of PA, Falkasia, Santheres, Wagdog, Lamoni, Whiskeasy, Oseato and Yohannes.

I have no sympathy for anyone that has a problem with that. Don't flaunt Gothic involvement if you can't handle their involvement being taken seriously.

We're actually coming to the agreement that we'd like this RP to be much more private, if you rescind the public invitations you've made, that would be appreciated.

[Nerotysia]

As someone new to roleplaying, especially roleplaying wars, I'm unclear on how to attempt to protect my nation.

I realize there are no set-in-stone rules involved besides common sense and good roleplay, but I assume there must be some guidelines involved.

All I've pieced together so far is that armies should (depending on who is talking) be from .1% to 5% of one's population, and you can "purchase" Modern Technology military equipment from Lyran Arms and Royal Beaufort based on your defense budget on NS Economy

The two most important things I don't understand are:

How the outcomes of a conflict are determined when the only hard numbers available are quite abstact and
How I should best "spend" my defense budget if I'm interested solely in defense

If anyone could give me a quick rundown on some of this, I would be really grateful.

Well, as for military equipment, many people also simply use RL equipment (MiGs, Abrams tanks, etc.)

1. Well, the numbers aren't really that abstract. Its fairly easy to predict the losses in each battle.
2. I'd say you should ignore naval prowess and focus on your army and air force. Also build lots of fortifications.

Though, to be honest, don't be worried about an attack for now. You have the protection of Alex, me, and perhaps even most of the Compact.

[Alexiandra]

In anticipation of Gothic and other pre-2005 nation involvement, upon being invited by Alex and in contemplation of Vakolicci's tradition of launching massed WMD first strikes, I have extended general invitations to all of Nova, all of Greater Dienstad, and additional specific invitations to (in no particular order) United States of PA, Falkasia, Santheres, Wagdog, Lamoni, Whiskeasy, Oseato and Yohannes.

I have no sympathy for anyone that has a problem with that. Don't flaunt Gothic involvement if you can't handle their involvement being taken seriously.

This. There's absolutely no way I'm going to agree to an ally-cap. Diol is just pitching a fit because his bullying tactics have met with serious, organised resistance this time around.

[Salzland]

As someone new to roleplaying, especially roleplaying wars, I'm unclear on how to attempt to protect my nation.

I realize there are no set-in-stone rules involved besides common sense and good roleplay, but I assume there must be some guidelines involved.

All I've pieced together so far is that armies should (depending on who is talking) be from .1% to 5% of one's population, and you can "purchase" Modern Technology military equipment from Lyran Arms and Royal Beaufort based on your defense budget on NS Economy

The two most important things I don't understand are:

How the outcomes of a conflict are determined when the only hard numbers available are quite abstact and
How I should best "spend" my defense budget if I'm interested solely in defense

If anyone could give me a quick rundown on some of this, I would be really grateful.

Outcomes can be either decided between the participants before or during the roleplay (a preplanned ending) or reached through the natural progression of the roleplay. For example, someone dramatically out maneuvered on a strategic level might elect to sue for peace, rather than continue fighting.

As for how to spend a defense budget, the best way I've found for a new nation is to pick a real life nation that mimics your strategy and capabilities (i.e. Israel or North Korea for smaller or underdeveloped countries, then progressing from there as your nation grows)

[Finium]

In anticipation of Gothic and other pre-2005 nation involvement, upon being invited by Alex and in contemplation of Vakolicci's tradition of launching massed WMD first strikes, I have extended general invitations to all of Nova, all of Greater Dienstad, and additional specific invitations to (in no particular order) United States of PA, Falkasia, Santheres, Wagdog, Lamoni, Whiskeasy, Oseato and Yohannes.

I have no sympathy for anyone that has a problem with that. Don't flaunt Gothic involvement if you can't handle their involvement being taken seriously.

This. There's absolutely no way I'm going to agree to an ally-cap. Diol is just pitching a fit because his bullying tactics have met with serious, organised resistance this time around.

There is no way that the two of you are going to be able to organize an RP of any quality at this scale. Your are both vying for hegemony over a relatively small region; there is no reason to involve the number of players that you are.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This. There's absolutely no way I'm going to agree to an ally-cap. Diol is just pitching a fit because his bullying tactics have met with serious, organised resistance this time around.

There is no way that the two of you are going to be able to organize an RP of any quality at this scale. Your are both vying for hegemony over a relatively small region; there is no reason to involve the number of players that you are.

I would happily tone down my numbers if Alex wouldn't involve whole regions (x2), plus one massive alliance. I'm not rping with that.

[Alexiandra]

This. There's absolutely no way I'm going to agree to an ally-cap. Diol is just pitching a fit because his bullying tactics have met with serious, organised resistance this time around.

There is no way that the two of you are going to be able to organize an RP of any quality at this scale. Your are both vying for hegemony over a relatively small region; there is no reason to involve the number of players that you are.

Larger wars have been successfully orchestrated in the past. Nobody had a problem with introducing allies when Diol had the upper hand.

[Nerotysia]

There is no way that the two of you are going to be able to organize an RP of any quality at this scale. Your are both vying for hegemony over a relatively small region; there is no reason to involve the number of players that you are.

I would happily tone down my numbers if Alex wouldn't involve whole regions (x2), plus one massive alliance. I'm not rping with that.

Diol, tell your 20-billions that they can't be involved. Then perhaps Alex will be more willing to negotiate.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There is no way that the two of you are going to be able to organize an RP of any quality at this scale. Your are both vying for hegemony over a relatively small region; there is no reason to involve the number of players that you are.

Larger wars have been successfully orchestrated in the past. Nobody had a problem with introducing allies when Diol had the upper hand.

Exactly. I kept my numbers reasonable.

[Alexiandra]

Larger wars have been successfully orchestrated in the past. Nobody had a problem with introducing allies when Diol had the upper hand.

Exactly. I kept my numbers reasonable.

Reasonable? The first ally you involved had a population of over twenty billion.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Exactly. I kept my numbers reasonable.

Reasonable? The first ally you involved had a population of over twenty billion.

Who asked if I needed help.

[The Free Republic of Akan]

I would happily tone down my numbers if Alex wouldn't involve whole regions (x2), plus one massive alliance. I'm not rping with that.

Diol, tell your 20-billions that they can't be involved. Then perhaps Alex will be more willing to negotiate.

Or tell them to have an RP pop of 2 billion.

[Salzland]

Respectfully, where was the call for a cap or restraint when the nations claimed on Diol's side mustered over 60 billion citizens, across multiple regions including one of the premier roleplaying regions in the game, against an alliance half that size, that by no means is guaranteed to participate 100% on the receiving end of a beatdown?

I'm sorry that this didn't turn into the curb stomp some people seem to have wanted, but I'm not responsible for doing other peoples' research regarding who they're attacking. Diol's been after Alex for 3 years now, he knew what would happen here because it happened every other time he took a swing at Alex.

Again, given Vak/Diol's propensity for WMD strikes, and the roleplaying regions that would be impacted by same, there's no invitations to rescind. My neighbors and allies, who would be dramatically impacted by my country's potential destruction, which I am risking here, have every right to be here.

[Alexiandra]

This is my final word.

Diol thought he knew exactly what he was letting himself in for. He was perfectly fine with a mismatch when it favoured him. Now that the tables have turned, he's whining about injustice and unfairness.

We will not limit our strength so that Diol can win and continue to feed his ego. We fight at full strength, or not at all.

It's Diol's choice.

[Finium]

Respectfully, where was the call for a cap or restraint when the nations claimed on Diol's side mustered over 60 billion citizens, across multiple regions including one of the premier roleplaying regions in the game, against an alliance half that size, that by no means is guaranteed to participate 100% on the receiving end of a beatdown?

I think Diol's actions are equally inappropriate and I think Alex would have been better off calling for a cap then. Alex's "solution" is a horrid idea and I'm surprised that you would encourage an RP on this scale that is almost certainly guaranteed to fail miserably.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Respectfully, where was the call for a cap or restraint when the nations claimed on Diol's side mustered over 60 billion citizens, across multiple regions including one of the premier roleplaying regions in the game, against an alliance half that size, that by no means is guaranteed to participate 100% on the receiving end of a beatdown?

I'm sorry that this didn't turn into the curb stomp some people seem to have wanted, but I'm not responsible for doing other peoples' research regarding who they're attacking. Diol's been after Alex for 3 years now, he knew what would happen here because it happened every other time he took a swing at Alex.

Again, given Vak/Diol's propensity for WMD strikes, and the roleplaying regions that would be impacted by same, there's no invitations to rescind. My neighbors and allies, who would be dramatically impacted by my country's potential destruction, which I am risking here, have every right to be here.

Actually, I have started precisely 1 agressive war against Alexiandra (in partnership with Nitom.)
The first war involving both myself and Alex, which you also started getting involved in, was rightfully retconned as it was a training rp for my ICT teacher who knew nothing about NationStates, which you happily dragged out of all proportions.

Now, I don't know if you enjoy rping against 2 rp regions and some miscelanious nations, but I certainly don't.