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Why the term "African-American" is bogus

Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:29 pm

The term "African-American" is not a fair term to use, because it doesn't have much of a definition.

For example, why is Obama considered an "African-American" when he is half white? I got a DNA ancestry test and it said I was around 1% North African Arab. Am I an African-American?

The point is, the term is useless and unimportant, it doesn't reflect race in an accurate or positive way.

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Postby Murkwood » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:30 pm

People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:31 pm

No, you're not an "African American" or "Black" either, as your skin colour is white. Correct me If I am wrong but I think I remember seeing a picture of you on MintLemonade or here.


Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.


Basically this.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:32 pm

Race is a social construct.

African-American is one such division within the society of the USA.

Here in the US, race is primarily a visual thing (Phenotypes and such), with ancestry being a necessary but ultimately secondary aspect of it.

Therefore, as Obama is considered black by the standards of the society we live in, who the fuck cares about precise measurements and shit? This is absolutely pointless. Race is absolutely pointless and arbitrary, so why the fuck is it important that the concept be reflected in an accurate or positive way?
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Race is a social construct.

African-American is one such division within the society of the USA.

Here in the US, race is primarily a visual thing (Phenotypes and such), with ancestry being a necessary but ultimately secondary aspect of it.

Therefore, as Obama is considered black by the standards of the society we live in, who the fuck cares about precise measurements and shit? This is absolutely pointless. Race is absolutely pointless and arbitrary, so why the fuck is it important that the concept be reflected in an accurate or positive way?


How is race a social construct? Go on, either explain here or send me a telegram.

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Postby DesAnges » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:33 pm

I've always enjoyed when either on the Internet or on one memorable occasion IRL an American has referred to to black Brit as British-African-American.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:33 pm

DesAnges wrote:I've always enjoyed when either on the Internet or on one memorable occasion IRL an American has referred to to black Brit as British-African-American.


:rofl:

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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Race is absolutely pointless and arbitrary, so why the fuck is it important that the concept be reflected in an accurate or positive way?

Because Obama isn't fully black, it misrespresents him and it's a racist viewpoint.
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:34 pm

If you have a certain amount of melanin in your skin, you have to be counted in a different category of person when the government official holding a clipboard comes by for the census. It's all perception. But yes, it's basically the PC version of Black.
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Postby Totally Not Leningrad Union » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:35 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:No, you're not an "African American" or "Black" either, as your skin colour is white. Correct me If I am wrong but I think I remember seeing a picture of you on MintLemonade or here.


Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.


Basically this.

Who said African-Americans have to be "black".

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Conserative Morality wrote:Race is a social construct.

African-American is one such division within the society of the USA.

Here in the US, race is primarily a visual thing (Phenotypes and such), with ancestry being a necessary but ultimately secondary aspect of it.

Therefore, as Obama is considered black by the standards of the society we live in, who the fuck cares about precise measurements and shit? This is absolutely pointless. Race is absolutely pointless and arbitrary, so why the fuck is it important that the concept be reflected in an accurate or positive way?


How is race a social construct? Go on, either explain here or send me a telegram.

It generally is besides the phenotypes of Caucazoid, Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid.
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Postby Kranstentistan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:35 pm

Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.

If you think about it, it's actually politically incorrect, as it erases black people outside of Africa like the Australian Aborigines, and many indigenous races in Papua New Guinea.

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Postby Vicious Debaters » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:35 pm

African-American means that you're closely descended from folks in Africa but you're an American because you live in America.

Just like I'm Swiss-American.

I admit, it's fairly arbitrary. You are what you consider yourself.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:35 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:Because Obama isn't fully black, it misrespresents him and it's a racist viewpoint.

Thanks for missing all of the rest of my post.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

Totally Not Leningrad Union wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:No, you're not an "African American" or "Black" either, as your skin colour is white. Correct me If I am wrong but I think I remember seeing a picture of you on MintLemonade or here.




Basically this.

Who said African-Americans have to be "black".

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How is race a social construct? Go on, either explain here or send me a telegram.

It generally is besides the phenotypes of Caucazoid, Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid.


White Africans are usually Afrikaner, so wouldn't it be Afrikaner-American? :eyebrow:

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Postby Trollgaard » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

Well, I see your point, though I'm not sure if I agree. Are Irish-American, or German-American, and so on bogus terms?

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Postby Alcase » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

I never use "African-American"

I just say black
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

Kranstentistan wrote:
Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.

If you think about it, it's actually politically incorrect, as it erases black people outside of Africa like the Australian Aborigines, and many indigenous races in Papua New Guinea.

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Postby DesAnges » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

Kranstentistan wrote:
Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.

If you think about it, it's actually politically incorrect, as it erases black people outside of Africa like the Australian Aborigines, and many indigenous races in Papua New Guinea.

And from the other angle, the Afrikaaners and other white people from the continent.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:37 pm

Why do people complain so much about this? It is generally clear enough what is meant when someone says "African-American."
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Postby Viritica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:38 pm

It's the PC version of black.

Which is kind of funny since there are plenty of black people who don't even have African ancestry.
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Postby DesAnges » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:39 pm

Trollgaard wrote:Well, I see your point, though I'm not sure if I agree. Are Irish-American, or German-American, and so on bogus terms?

I regard them as bogus more than two generations on.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:39 pm

It's what happens when some black people decided it huwt der feewings.

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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:39 pm

Murkwood wrote:People are trying to make it into the PC version of Black.


No, it's just a term that is used to describe someone who is American and has African heritage.
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Lavan Tiri wrote:It's what happens when some black people decided it huwt der feewings.


What are you talking about?
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