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Canada Should Get Nuclear Weapons

Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:28 pm

I think that Canada should get nuclear weapons.

Things look like they're pretty crazy down in the US border and some day, the USA might suddenly decide to invade and annex Canada (they've shown their willingness to invade somewhere as far away as Iraq for oil).

After all, Canada is sitting on top of extremely resource rich land. It has massive reserves of oil, natural gas, and mineral resources. Should the US or another country turn imperial one day, Canada would be a logical target. Its a massive country with a ton of natural resources (and tons of untapped resources in the Canadian North), yet it only has around 34 million people (less people than the tiny island country of the UK), almost all located in easily targetted cities close to the US border. I am NOT exaggerating when I say if the USA wanted to, it could invade and take all of Canada's major cities in a few weeks.

Canada isn't safe. It relies too much on the USA, if the USA turns against it or if the USA is unwilling to defend Canada when Canada gets attacked, it is doomed. Canada must get nuclear weapons. Then no one would dare invade it no matter the profits because Canada could retaliate with a nuclear strike. I'm surprised that Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons. France, the UK, China, and Russia all have them so why not Canada?

It's time for Canada to get nukes to ensure it is secure. It's time for Canada to join the world's elite and prestigious club of nations, a club whose individual members have the capability to destroy entire cities and forests with the click of a button. It's time for Canada to get some of that glory and power. Now is the time to do it, when war is looming, it will be too late.

What do you think NSG? Is it time for Canada to go nuclear?
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Postby Margno » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:36 pm

The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.
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Postby Pays den haut » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 pm

If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 pm

Pays den haut wrote:If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.


why would Quebec seperate if Canada becomes more powerful?

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Postby Luziyca » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:47 pm

Margno wrote:The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.

Um, it is not sure if Israel has nuclear weapons for sure.

Pays den haut wrote:If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.

No. That said, I think we need to invest in peaceful nuclear power first, then develop nukes later.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:49 pm

Margno wrote:The United States will never invade Canada. Besides , having nuclear weapons doesn't mean no one will ever dare attack you. Israel has nuclear weapons, and it's at war.


How do you know? In politics anyone can betray anyone. Alliances are on paper only, remember when the Germans invaded the USSR despite their non-aggression pact? If Roose Bolton can suddenly betray Robb Stark, the US could one day (in theory) do the same to Canada. It's a cruel world and Canada should be prepared for anything.

Israel can still fight wars if it wants. But if Arab nations ever come close to winning and taking over Israel, don't you think Israel would threaten a nuclear strike long before?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:50 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Pays den haut wrote:If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.

No. That said, I think we need to invest in peaceful nuclear power first, then develop nukes later.


This is a viable strategy.

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Postby Adab » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:50 pm

There is no reason for Canada to get nuclear weapons, at least not now. The United States would never invade, let alone annex Canada. That would put the Americans in trouble with all of the Commonwealth, bring down the Special Relationship, and turn practically all of the world against them. Unless the United States government is somehow overtaken by some madman, I see no possibility of it turning that imperial.
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Postby Pays den haut » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Pays den haut wrote:If Canada gets nuclear weapons, it will be another good reason for Québec to separate. And by the way Stephen Harper eats in US hands, US don't have to invade them.


why would Quebec seperate if Canada becomes more powerful?


Canada wouldn't become more powerful, they would become more stupid. Here in Québec we don't like wars, we like peace.

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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:52 pm

Ireland needs a nuke more than canada WAY MORE THAN CANADA
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:52 pm

Pays den haut wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why would Quebec seperate if Canada becomes more powerful?


Canada wouldn't become more powerful, they would become more stupid. Here in Québec we don't like wars, we like peace.


the first sentence doesn't make any sense.

If you have nukes, by definition you become more powerful (you can now devastate entire cities with ease).

If you have nukes, that has no bearing on the intelligence of your citizens (they would not ''become more stupid'').

Also... Quebec likes peace, fine. Nukes are not about starting wars, they're about security. Canada is more secure with them, Quebec is more secure with them.
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Postby The Eastern Antarctic State » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:53 pm

They are both in NATO, so they won't and most likely can't invade each other
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:55 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Ireland needs a nuke more than canada


Ireland should consider it too.

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Postby Benian Republic » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Ireland needs a nuke more than canada


Ireland should consider it too.


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Postby Pays den haut » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Pays den haut wrote:
Canada wouldn't become more powerful, they would become more stupid. Here in Québec we don't like wars, we like peace.


the first sentence doesn't make any sense.

If you have nukes, by definition you become more powerful (you can now devastate entire cities with ease).

If you have nukes, that has no bearing on the intelligence of your citizens (they would not ''become more stupid'').

Also... Quebec likes peace, fine. Nukes are not about starting wars, they're about security. Canada is more secure with them, Quebec is more secure with them.



It's the opposite. Canada and Québec would be more secure if no one had nukes and someone needs to lead by example. Yes having nukes doesn't affect the intelligence of the people, but having them is stupid.

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Postby South Pacific Republic » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:58 pm

Canada doesn't need nukes. In fact, no one should really have nukes, except for "peaceful" purposes like deflecting asteroids or digging harbors (there were plans to actually do that)
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Postby Bojikami » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:00 pm

Only if the missiles say "Sorry" on them.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:00 pm

Pays den haut wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the first sentence doesn't make any sense.

If you have nukes, by definition you become more powerful (you can now devastate entire cities with ease).

If you have nukes, that has no bearing on the intelligence of your citizens (they would not ''become more stupid'').

Also... Quebec likes peace, fine. Nukes are not about starting wars, they're about security. Canada is more secure with them, Quebec is more secure with them.



It's the opposite. Canada and Québec would be more secure if no one had nukes and someone needs to lead by example. Yes having nukes doesn't affect the intelligence of the people, but having them is stupid.


If absolutely no one had nukes Canada is in even more trouble. Its conventional forces are too small, inexperienced, and relient on the USA. It would have no means of resisting a conventional invasion by any major power by itself (especially if that invader is the US).

Canada getting nukes (and thus being able to threaten anyone who invades with a nuclear strike) levels the playing field. Without them, Canada has no leverage.

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 pm

Why would Canada risk seriously angering the rest of the world by developing nuclear weapons which it has no conceivable need for?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:Canada doesn't need nukes. In fact, no one should really have nukes (except for "peaceful" purposes).


that's what Canada will get them for. ''Peaceful'' purposes, countries won't dare invade Canada if Canada can threaten to nuke them.

Nukes will be used defensively, to maintain international peace.

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Postby Pays den haut » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:03 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Pays den haut wrote:

It's the opposite. Canada and Québec would be more secure if no one had nukes and someone needs to lead by example. Yes having nukes doesn't affect the intelligence of the people, but having them is stupid.


If absolutely no one had nukes Canada is in even more trouble. Its conventional forces are too small, inexperienced, and relient on the USA. It would have no means of resisting a conventional invasion by any major power by itself (especially if that invader is the US).

Canada getting nukes (and thus being able to threaten anyone who invades with a nuclear strike) levels the playing field. Without them, Canada has no leverage.


The world needs no nukes, no war, no stupid invasion. The only thing the world needs is peace.

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Postby Lalaki » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:03 pm

The US would never invade Canada, period. To complement this fact, Canada is under the nuclear umbrella of the US, and of the UK/France if need be.
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Postby Ryrgistan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:03 pm

The idea that the US would invade Canada is as fictional as Game of Thrones. There is no valid reason for the US to do such a thing.
And although having nukes would make you more secure, doesn't it also make you appear as more of a target if a nuclear war were to break out. You strike the nations with nukes, not those without. And Canada isn't belligerent, it has no enemies that have a burning desire to watch is turn into a radioactive wasteland.
And furthermore, since Canada is part of NATO, if it were to wind up in a war which could possibly involve nukes, it would have many other nations fighting alongside it who both posses nukes and are able to fight a war effectively alongside the Canadians.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:03 pm

Keyboard Warriors wrote:Why would Canada risk seriously angering the rest of the world by developing nuclear weapons which it has no conceivable need for?


so that it gains for itself total immunity from invasion? AKA theoretical complete security from state actors? That's a pretty big gain.

You can't and shouldn't rely on the USA forever... especially because resources around the world are running out, and Canada is sitting on top of a lot of untapped underwater resources.
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Postby Adab » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:04 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
South Pacific Republic wrote:Canada doesn't need nukes. In fact, no one should really have nukes (except for "peaceful" purposes).


that's what Canada will get them for. ''Peaceful'' purposes, countries won't dare invade Canada if Canada can threaten to nuke them.

Nukes will be used defensively, to maintain international peace.


I can agree with this - even though I don't see the need for nuclear weapons in Canada right now. It can still count on NATO to come to its defense if it's attacked.

I also agree that Canada should invest in peaceful nuclear power first.
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